My proposed explanation for the great pyramids.

[sucahyo]

In todays burial tradition, when a king pass away. His body will be taken to the church for final tribute and pray, and then folowed by many thousands of peoples the body is then taken to the burial place.

In church it is possible that there is coffin used temporarily to display the king or maybe its special places, some ceremonial tool, and king's name. In the future when they found the ruin of the church and can not find the kings body in there, it would not be a surprise if they blame it on robbers too.

[ANTIQUER]

What about Nassim Haramein allegation that grave robber are weak argument? He do have valid reasoning. Is there definite proof that there is grave robber? Do grave robber has much more advance in technology than egyptian?

How about a link to "Haramein's argument and valid reasoning."?

Amenhotep II's KV35 tomb also proved to contain a mummy cache containing several New Kingdom Pharaohs including Thutmose IV, Seti II, Ramesses III, Ramesses IV, and Ramesses VI. They had been re-buried in Amenhotep II's tomb by the 21st Dynasty High Priest of Amun, Pinedjem II, during Siamun's reign, to protect them from tomb robbers

Amenhotep II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[QUOTE]Tomb robbers

Almost all of the tombs have been ransacked.[89] Several papyri have been found that describe the trials of tomb robbers; these date mostly from the late Twentieth Dynasty. One of these (Papyrus Mayer B) describes the robbery of the tomb of Ramesses VI and was probably written in Year 9 of Ramesses IX:
“ The foreigner Nesamun took us up and showed us the tomb of King Ramesses VI ... And I spent four days breaking into it, we being present all five. We opened the tomb and entered it. ... We found a cauldron of bronze, three wash bowls of bronze ...[90] ”

The valley also seems to have suffered an official plundering during the virtual civil war, which started in the reign of Ramesses XI. The tombs were opened, all the valuables removed, and the mummies collected into two large caches. One in the tomb of Amenhotep II, contained sixteen, and others were hidden within Amenhotep I's tomb. A few years later most of them were moved to the Deir el-Bahri cache, contained no less than forty royal mummies and their coffins.[91] Only those tombs whose locations were lost (KV62, KV63 and KV46, although both KV62 and KV46 were robbed soon after their actual closure[92].Valley of the Kings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thieves, tourists and excavators

Although succeeding pyramids were smaller, pyramid building continued until the end of the Middle Kingdom. However, as authors Briar and Hobbs claim, "all the pyramids were robbed" by the New Kingdom, when the construction of royal tombs in a desert valley, now known as the Valley of the Kings, began.[36][37] Joyce Tyldesley states that the Great Pyramid itself "is known to have been opened and emptied by the Middle Kingdom", before the Arab caliph Abdullah al-Mamun entered the pyramid around AD 820

Great Pyramid of Giza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In todays burial tradition, when a king pass away. His body will be taken to the church for final tribute and pray, and then folowed by many thousands of peoples the body is then taken to the burial place.

In church it is possible that there is coffin used temporarily to display the king or maybe its special places, some ceremonial tool, and king's name. In the future when they found the ruin of the church and can not find the kings body in there, it would not be a surprise if they blame it on robbers too.

Any good archeologist can tell a church from a tomb, so they would not expect a body there and I know of no church which would leave an empty coffin in place in the church after the ceremony is over.
Further, they don't use temporary coffins. They coffin containing the body is picked up and carried to the hearse which takes it to the burial site.

I left that paragraph out as some of the info. is incorrect because it is outdated. The Egyptian Antiquity Authority has recently allowed tests including DNA testing on some mummies and parts which have identified them. Further it claims no EXTANT mummies were found, meaning whole and in place, not in pieces. Notice the last thing stated is that the majority of evidence supports that they were built as tombs for kings and that would have to be ignored to come to any other conclusion, which is what Haramien does.

You know, we are dealing with structures, bodies, artifacts, etc. that are 3000-4000 years old. How much proof does one need that has been supported by more and more archeological evidence to form a correct conclusion or refute unsubstantiated and odd speculation? It is amazing how much we have considering the age of this stuff.

I also left this out;

In about 450 B.C. the ancient historian Herodotus reported that there were underground chambers beneath the Great Pyramid at Giza. "These chambers," he wrote, "King Cheops [Khufu] made as burial chambers for himself ..." (History, 2:124). Diodorus (c.80-20 B.C.) added more detail:

And though the two kings [i.e. Khufu and Khafre] built the pyramids to serve as their tombs, in the event neither of them was buried in them; for the multitudes, because of the hardships which they had endured in the building of them and the many cruel and violent acts of these kings, were filled with anger against those who had caused their sufferings and openly threatened to tear their bodies asunder and cast them in despite out of their tombs. Consequently each ruler when dying enjoined upon his kinsmen to bury his body secretly in an unmarked place. [Library of History, 1:64]

That explains why two of the kings were not in two of the largest pyramids, but that is what they were built for.

Why geologist believe that grave robber is the same people that build them? Is there a custom where a rich Egypt King rob their grandfather grave to collect money?

The valley also seems to have suffered an official plundering during the virtual civil war, which started in the reign of Ramesses XI. The tombs were opened, all the valuables removed, and the mummies collected into two large caches.

Looks like maybe someone did rob his grandfathers tomb.

The belief is that the pyramid builders/designers and/or some of the workmen came back and plundered the tomb as they had the knowledge to get into it and may even have left secret entrances into the pyramid tombs which they resealed when done looting.
They have found 2 more shafts in the Cheop's(?) pyramid in the last few years. They were blocked by huge stones. They managed to look behind the blocking stones by using mini-cams inserted around the stone through a small crack where the stone meets the wall.They have seen a small "door" or hole going through the wall apparently in the direction of the burial chamber with debris from the hole on the floor.

[Jbignes5]

You are assuming a lot there.

For one thing you assume that they built the Pyramids. And from what everyone has fruitfully discovered not one bit of evidence points to them having the capability to do such a wonder. I believe the people that were there were only occupants of this great city. Not the builders. Not one mention of thier highly complicated math or detection of the magnetic ley lines that they were built on was ever recorded in anything that was written by their own people. Why... Well simply is that they didn't build them. If they had they would have wrote that stuff down because it would have been the crowning achievement of their society! But sadly no calculations and no mention of the devices used to get the magnetic layout of the area. This is one of the biggest arguements of all time. The absence of this knowledge in their written material means they didn't know. They thought the god Ra made the city for them. Well I tend to believe that.
As for grave robbers getting into the Pyramids that is bunk. Not only was the entrance buried but the entrance we made to get in there was via explosives. Proof enough that Robbers was a cop out excuse.
Explain the Bagdad battery then? And the complete lack of torch marks on the ceilings of these supposed tombs. My conclusions were that the priests were the ones who held knowledge and only taught new initiates the information handed down from teacher to successor. This knowledge was eventually lost because there was not one bit written about it that we know of. The library of Atlantis could be visited but only with the correct access pass, whatever that was. I believe this is how they protected the ancient knowledge from getting into the general public.
You can believe the quacks who would like you to believe that they have a better theory then us but to tell you the truth there is less evidence of their theories then ours about just the origin of these unique Pyramids. The other "pyramids" I believe were man made copies and the quality shows. They used these other Pyramids for funeral places for their kings because they payed respect to their leaders. I don't believe that they could move 1000 ton blocks across sand and make them into any shape they wanted. So that arguement is sadly misplaced. When looked at from the whole view point of that era there are a great many things that are currently unexplainable to say the least.
They simply lived in the place that was given to them and all their writing conforms to that view. They bragged about their daily lives in their writings but not one mention of how they constructed these massive monoliths or even the methods of such things were preserved in their writings. Why?

[HairBear]

The other "pyramids" I believe were man made copies and the quality shows.

Actually, the South/Central American monolithic sites are way more intricate than the Pyramids in Egypt. The building methods are more refined and make the Egyptian Pyramids look like simple toys. Pumapunku for example, is just one site that really makes people wonder how they achieved what we can't do today.

Remember Quetzalcoatl, the "feathered-serpent"? Among the Aztecs, whose beliefs are the best-documented in the historical sources, Quetzalcoatl was related to gods of the wind, of Venus, of the dawn, of merchants and of arts, crafts and knowledge. He was also the patron god of the Aztec priesthood, of learning and knowledge. Quetzalcoatl was one of several important gods in the Aztec pantheon along with the gods Tlaloc, Tezcatlipoca and Huitzilopochtli.

The stories are the same again, only the names have changed. Why is this a recurring theme? I could of sworn they just described Enki, AE, The Serpent(snake), and many more names the ages have made. Why do American Indians have no facial hair and the rest of the world does?

[HairBear]

The Great Pyramid of Cholula, also known as Tlachihualtepetl (Nahuatl for "artificial mountain"), is a huge complex located in Cholula, Puebla, Mexico. It is the world's largest monument and largest Pre-Columbian pyramid by volume.

The temple-pyramid complex was built in four stages, starting from the 3rd century BCE through the 9th century CE, and was dedicated to the deity Quetzalcoatl. It has a base of 450 by 450 m (1476x1476 ft) and a height of 66 m (217 ft). According to the Guinness Book of Records, it is in fact the largest pyramid as well as the largest monument ever constructed anywhere in the world, with a total volume estimated at over 4.45 million m³, even larger than that of the Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt which is about 2.5 million m³. However the Great Pyramid of Giza is higher at 138.8 m (455 feet).[1] The Aztecs believed that Xelhua built the Great Pyramid of Cholula.

[sucahyo]

How about a link to "Haramein's argument and valid reasoning."?

It is in his video, I forget which, sorry:
(PART 1) Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library. 2003. (4 HRS)
(PART 2) Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library. 2003. (4 HRS)

I don't believe in any champolion based translation, thus I believe that any translation using that methode is a wrong translation. All the name of the king is wrong and never exist in any other ancient text not in hieroglyph and thus every translation about it is only a wild guess of what hieroglyph means. It is impossible that ancient egypt do not record the names of people mentioned in bible.


Also remember that my question is regarding the proof of mommy stored in the pyramid. I don't care if valley of the king is robbed, I only want to know if there is proof that the pyramid has been robbed before dynamite blasted open by archeologist.

Any good archeologist can tell a church from a tomb, so they would not expect a body there and I know of no church which would leave an empty coffin in place in the church after the ceremony is over.
Further, they don't use temporary coffins. They coffin containing the body is picked up and carried to the hearse which takes it to the burial site.

Just an example. Archeologist would assume wrong because they translation method is wrong. You keep mentioning an assumption of other people as fact. If it is fact then it should be writing. If the way they translate the writing is wrong, then don't trust them.

You know, we are dealing with structures, bodies, artifacts, etc. that are 3000-4000 years old. How much proof does one need that has been supported by more and more archeological evidence to form a correct conclusion or refute unsubstantiated and odd speculation? It is amazing how much we have considering the age of this stuff.

When thay don't even translate the ancient egypt writing correctly, I can't trust them.

In about 450 B.C. the ancient historian Herodotus reported that there were underground chambers beneath the Great Pyramid at Giza. "These chambers," he wrote, "King Cheops [Khufu] made as burial chambers for himself ..." (History, 2:124). Diodorus (c.80-20 B.C.) added more detail:

If it really true, then all king of egypt are an eccentric. Why only king made pyramid, why don't other egypt riches build pyramid at their youth for several year preparing the place for their death? I bet there would be many people richer than the king at that time.

BTW, it is kind of funny that a king at the age of around 40 planning a place for his death that take years to build and a lot of resources. If I meet a people like that now, I would call him insane.

Looks like maybe someone did rob his grandfathers tomb.

Robbing the valley of the kings do not need the inhuman power to lift and rebuild the pyramid. And there is no proof that their grand children did it.

The belief is that the pyramid builders/designers and/or some of the workmen came back and plundered the tomb as they had the knowledge to get into it and may even have left secret entrances into the pyramid tombs which they resealed when done looting.
They have found 2 more shafts in the Cheop's(?) pyramid in the last few years. They were blocked by huge stones. They managed to look behind the blocking stones by using mini-cams inserted around the stone through a small crack where the stone meets the wall.They have seen a small "door" or hole going through the wall apparently in the direction of the burial chamber with debris from the hole on the floor

That is an assumption base from another assumption. That is not proof that the robber move the mommies to the valley of the king or somewhere else.

[rickoff]

Hi Rick;
What thread was that (with Glen) and how would they produce power or be used for communications? What would the power have been used for? I think according to the latest archeology the purpose has been pretty much determined to be for tombs/ funerary centers for Egyptian kings and the technology to build them bigger and better developed over centuries as they became wealthier and more powerful. The pyramids became smaller and they ceased building them as their empire crumbled.

Actually that thread was started by jetijs, and named "Tesla's Wireless Electricity Transmission," though Glen and I made the majority of the posts there. The posts concerning the pyramids starts on page 2 at post #52, and goes on for quite a ways.

The thought that the great pyramids of the world were made for purposes of burials simply defies all logic. Think of it this way - if you were Egyptian and wanted to be buried in some place fit for a king, what would you choose? A wooden box buried in the sand, a structure built by primitive workers, or a pre-existing, magnificent structure that had already passed the test of time and stood for as long or longer than any records had been kept? Something that you could safely assume would last a long, long time, and perhaps forever. Popular belief states that the pyramid at Giza was completed around 2551 BC after 20 years of work, but I don't buy that and think that the major pyramids were more likely built around 10,500 BC or even earlier. The reasoning behind my thinking is that all of the major pyramid sites around the world have one particular thing in common. The sites have multiple structures laid out to conform to constellations. They don't precisely align with these constellations today, but there was a time when they did align perfectly - and that was 10,500 BC. The Egyptians like to think that they were master builders who were technologically advanced enough to have built such structures from enormous stones and with laser precision, but that doesn't add up in 10,500 BC when earthlings were still living in the Stone Age. The transition out of the Stone Age occurred somewhere between 6000 BC and 2500 BC for much of mankind living in North Africa, Asia and Europe, and then only transitioned to the Bronze Age. These structures were never intended by the original builders to be used as tombs, but they were definitely built for a purpose.

There is much evidence to support the theory that the pyramid at Giza was a power station, as well as a water pumping device. Watch the following short video for a visualization of how the various components, all known to exist, could have been utilized to create an electromagnetic powerhouse and Hydrogen production facility. YouTube - Great Pyramid 3D Electromagnetic Power Plant Walkthrough

Then watch this video presentation by master engineer Christopher Dunn, and/or read his book, The Giza Power Plant.

The Giza Power Plant#

Rick

[ANTIQUER]

Hi Rick;

Came across this yesterday, thought it pertinent to your post here and might interest you;

Skeptic World - Ancient Monuments - The Great Pyramid

Thanks for the info. on Jetis's post and the video's. I'll try to check them out this weekend. I'm tied up until then helping a friend arrange his wife's funeral.

Al

[ANTIQUER]

Hi Jbignes5;

Here's the answer to the "Baghdad Battery", sooty(or not) ceilings, and the "Dendura Light", a.k.a. "Lights of The Pharoah's", which are usually linked at some point in a discussion such as this, even though you didn't mention them.

Lights of the Pharaohs: the Electric Lights in Egypt? Guest article by Frank Dörnenburg

That's all the time I have for now, I'll get back to you later on the rest.

Al

[sucahyo]

Hi Jbignes5;

Here's the answer to the "Baghdad Battery", sooty(or not) ceilings, and the "Dendura Light", a.k.a. "Lights of The Pharoah's", which are usually linked at some point in a discussion such as this, even though you didn't mention them.

Lights of the Pharaohs: the Electric Lights in Egypt? Guest article by Frank Dörnenburg

What if that light like symbol is only the way they can write what they want to express?

I see relation to this:


The image should be translated, not guessed.

Here is example where a wrong guess can wrongly recognize a picture of young handsome man for a goddes.
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[Michelinho]

Hi all,

Thanks to everyone for the excellent posts on a captivating subject.

One thing is rarely considered though, the Cap Stone.

One way to collect electricity in the Great Pyramids would be through the elevation of the Cap Stones which were made of copper probably covered with gold. I have seen a picture from the top of a pyramid with the Cap Stone missing and it was reported that there were holes filled with copper. Dowel pins or a big solid core wires?.

I can't find the site where I read that with the picture in black and white showing copper plugs where the Cap Stone sits normally but I keep looking. The Giza Pyramid has a height of 146.3 meters (about 480 feet) including the Cap Stone. One could easily charge a capacitor if referenced with a ground deep under the pyramid foundation.

Take care all,

Michel

[ANTIQUER]

Sucahyo;

What if that light like symbol is only the way they can write what they want to express?

I recognize at least from what I learn so far (from alsaadawi and gardiner translation table):
http://egyptology.tutatuta.com/Text-...rdiner/P-T.JPG
http://egyptology.tutatuta.com/Als-common/Als-cmn-8.jpg
http://www.ossama-alsaadawi.com/Alsa...-I15-Za-az.jpg

R11, CM-8 (book), I14-15 (az)

The image should be translated, not guessed.

I see no connection between the symbols in these links and the symbols on the walls at Dendra. I also don't think you could have possibly read the entire article at the link I posted in the short time between my post and yours. Please do so, it is obvious the interpretation of the symbols and the writing on the walls is correct.

[sucahyo]

Sucahyo;

I see no connection between the symbols in these links and the symbols on the walls at Dendra. I also don't think you could have possibly read the entire article at the link I posted in the short time between my post and yours. Please do so, it is obvious the interpretation of the symbols and the writing on the walls is correct.

It's true that I only skim read it but here is the connection:

click for more clear picture.


Compare the picture I post with:

1. Priest
2. ionised fumes
3. electric discharge (snake)
4. Lamp socket (Lotos)
5. Cable (Lotos stem)
6. Air god
7. Isolator (Djed-Pillar)
8. Light bringer Thot with knifes
9. Symbol for "current"
10. Inverse polarity (Haarpolarität +)
11. Energy storage (electrostatic Generator?)

If we use consistent translation, then my posted picture would translate as:
a wireless lamp holded by isolator, and the holder carry two one loop antenna?

Would a wireless lamp in my picture meaningfull because tesla did have wireless lamp?

[jtstatic]

I still suggest reading the book I presented earlier. It explains also how the pyramids building tradition moved from pacific through atlantean to egypt.

There is also mention of Mu and Atlantis. Of course information like this is impossible to back up now..

However the planetary alignments would speak for the communications theory..

[Jbignes5]

I still suggest reading the book I presented earlier. It explains also how the pyramids building tradition moved from pacific through atlantean to egypt.

There is also mention of Mu and Atlantis. Of course information like this is impossible to back up now..

However the planetary alignments would speak for the communications theory..

I think this is the real problem. Most who study this stuff rarely look at our entire history or what we have found out to be our history. Meaning most of the time if it doesn't make sense they never mention it in their discovery. Yet when looked at from a time line one starts to see a pattern that is unexplainable with the current dogma that is being pushed on us.
Take for instance the current pyramid dilemma about the extra chamber. Somehow they actually think that the pyramid could be destroyed by emptying the chamber to access the other chamber behind that, That Cayce talked about. That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. They actually think that a small room of sand is supporting the whole structure of the pyramid? It is an excuse for them to keep their fluffed up ego from boasting they were the makers of the pyramids.
I not only do I believe the tip of the pyramids had gold tops and I also believe that they had a coil like pathway going to the base as well. That would be the main structure of a focusing coil that Tesla discovered. The inside rooms would have been a power tap room (kings), a control room (queens) and the main booster source room on the much lower room. These are only guesses because we can not get acess to the hidden room and probably never will if the current government that is in control there won't let us investigate. Yeah they let us use radar but when it comes to doing accurate investigation they do it them selves and then not do it correctly. Like when they drilled into the upper part of the doorway of the library under the sphinx. It's a con and one can tell they are not drilling right at all when you look at the videos they did in that drilling.