My proposed explanation for the great pyramids.

[ANTIQUER]

CaptainScat;

think you shouldn't quote jesus or the bible as an authoritative source if you don't want to discuss your faith or beliefs...

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Schpankme;

As I said to CaptainScat this is not the thread to discuss matters relating to faith or personal belief in that area. Start another thread or revive an older one such as "Bible" and I will gladly discuss it with you or anyone.

Al

I offered to discuss faith or personal belief , just not on this thread. I also explained why I quoted The Bible ; as a source on angels more credible the The Book of Enoch. Do you have a better source on angels that is not mythology?

and regarding your 100 ton crane, expain how the trilithon at baalbek was put into place then? each one is 70 feet long, 14 feet high, 10 feet thick, and weigh around 800 tons, and what of the 1200 ton stone that is still left in the quarry. how did they move those stones from the quarry over the mountain to the building site at baalbek? with a 100 ton crane?

This was clearly in reference to building a replica of the Great Pyramid today, not how the ancient Egyptians did it.

A quote from a site on the Baalbek Trilithon, perhaps the same one you cite;

Beneath the trilithon are another six huge building blocks, each 35 feet long and thus also larger than most building blocks used by humans anywhere else. No one knows how these stone blocks were cut, transported from the nearby quarry, and fit so precisely together. Some are so amazed at this feat of engineering that they have created fanciful tales of the Romans using magic or that the site was created centuries earlier by an unidentified people who had access to alien technology.

The fact that people today are unable to imagine how the construction was accomplished is not license to make up fairy tales, though. There are so many things which we today can do which the ancients couldn't even imagine; we shouldn't begrudge them the possibility that they could do a thing or two which we can't figure out yet.

Enough said.

Al

[sucahyo]

Thanks for the head up ANTIQUER .

So Moses and pharaoh did use the same language?

And they have money / coin at that time?

Sorry,I'm not sure what you mean here; "magic books"?

About this book:
Key of Solomon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
or
The Lesser Key of Solomon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interesting story on people similarity.

[CaptainScat]

CaptainScat;





I offered to discuss faith or personal belief , just not on this thread. I also explained why I quoted The Bible ; as a source on angels more credible the The Book of Enoch. Do you have a better source on angels that is not mythology?

according to you the bible is mythology, as the book of enoch was considered canon along with the other 45 original books of the old testament by jew and christian alike till 99AD, when the jews stopped using them (seven books). in every early christian council (such as nicea and carthage), they reiterated the acceptance of these books. it was hundreds of years later that it was removed... do you have a source on angels that is not mythology?

This was clearly in reference to building a replica of the Great Pyramid today, not how the ancient Egyptians did it.

A quote from a site on the Baalbek Trilithon, perhaps the same one you cite;



Enough said.

Al

nice evasion of the question, i'll repeat it. can you explain how the trilithon at baalbek was put into place? how did they move 800 ton stones? how did the engineers plan to move the 1200 ton stone?

in point of fact, we don't know. all we have is assumption, supposition and conjecture... and ancient myths and legends. what is obvious is that we were much more clever back then than we are now, at least with regards to building large.

[sucahyo]

do you have a source on angels that is not mythology?

What do you think of this video (not angel, but in topic):
YouTube - Pemindahan Kubah Masjid Di Desa Kailolo Indonesia

[CaptainScat]

What do you think of this video (not angel, but in topic):
YouTube - Pemindahan Kubah Masjid Di Desa Kailolo Indonesia

it's interesting.

[Aaron]

The Great Pyramid

Can anyone here post the quote from Bible which mention Egypt? What is the nationality of messenger like Moses, Solomon, Jesus, etc. Do they talk with ancient egypt language? Do they ever have war with ancient egypt etc.

If ayone has book link on King Solomon technology or sound/song I would really appreciate it. But I believe that King Solomon do not write magic books.

In that that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of
Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord, and it shall be for a sign
and for a witness unto the Lord of Hosts". ISAIAH 19, 19-20.

That is the great pyramid.

If you take that verse in Hebrew and convert it to the numerical equivelant,
it is identical to the height of the pyramid in inches. The pyramid was built
according to the sacred inch that is 1.001" compared to today's 1.000".
1/1000 of an inch longer than today's inch and all the measurement
make sense. 5449 inches and in Hebrew, each letter of that verse has a
numerical value, which adds to 5449. The 5449 is accounting for the
"missing" capstone peak.

I think acoustical levitation or other methods could have been used to
build the pyramids.

The Egyptians back then were not the same people as the modern day
Egyptians. The "Christian" teachings originated from the ancient Egyptian
teachings and those original "Egyptian" teachings were carried by the
Upanishads into the Himalayas.

The story goes that the ancient original Egyptian teachings were by those
that survived the sinking of Atlantis.

In either case, I think everyone would find the book of Apollonius of Tyana
very interesting. Was a life story written by Philostratus - commissioned by
Empress Domna - wife of Severus. That life story was in the Library of
Alexandria and was taken out before it was burned and was protected for
many years and only surfaced a couple hundred years ago. Early 1900's,
the life story of Apollonius was very well known and studied. Today, hardly
anyone knows about him.

Anyway, I have almost 100 year old copies from the original Harvard press
written by Coneybeare. It is an original Greek translation. One page is
English and the other Greek. You can get cheaper copies these in modern
paperback, but there is nothing like reading through a very old book like
this.

As a note, in the biblical verse, how can it be in the "midst" and at the
border of Egypt at the same time? Giza means Border And Giza really isn't
in the literal middle or midst of Egypt, which midst is a very subjective term.

In any case, it is all very interesting.

The Great Pyramid is my favorite building on Earth and I've accumulated
quite an interesting library of books on the subject from Peter Tompkins
(all originals) to you name it. I also have some interesting stories from
my friends that have taken naps in the king's kofer in the King's Chamber
and more.

One friend had his friend climb on his back in the King's chamber and
scraped some crystals off the wall. To make a long story short, it seems
it was actually under water up to 1/3 or 2/3 to the top - possibly. Crystals
were analyzed the top lab used by the Air Force - he was very connected.
High potassium content in the crystals, which was some signature of
limestone having potassium leached from it by sea water or something,
that is just what I recall from a conversation 10 years ago or so.

Anyway, interesting topic!

What is for sure is that it was never a burial pyramid but was used for
initiations and the entire geometry of the Earth and more is completely
recorded in all its dimensions.

[Aaron]

Zikirullah

What do you think of this video (not angel, but in topic):
YouTube - Pemindahan Kubah Masjid Di Desa Kailolo Indonesia

Here is the google translation of the video description:
Google Translate

Perhaps the Great Pyramid was done in the same fashion.

Says: "With God's grace and grandeur of the dome of the old mosque 'was lifted and moved' to the new minaret with zikirullah only. "

Zikirullah seems to translate to:
Zikrullah – Remembering ALLAH in Abundance
"Remembering Allah in Abundance"

So probably means it was moved "in His name" or something to that
effect.

Would love to see a high resolution video of that.

[Aaron]

better vid

Little better video:
YouTube - The Flying Dome(Minaret)

Shows more of the beginning.

[CaptainScat]

Little better video:
YouTube - The Flying Dome(Minaret)

Shows more of the beginning.

thanks aaron, seeing the beginning i'd have to say that is quite a bit more interesting.

[Jbignes5]

Ummm...

Hi Stealth;

Largest tower crane in the World - 100 tons at 100 meter radius

Still think we couldn't do it?
Two of these placed on opposite sides of the base would lift the heavier stones into place. Then helicopters could easily lift the smaller stones used above 200 ft. and place them. Stepped scaffolding would allow workmen space to stand and work. The casing stones would be applied from the top down as the Egyptians did it.

To quarry the sarcophagus is not that difficult. Nowadays they use wire blades with carbide or diamond coatings which are hundreds of feet long. They leave practically no marks to grind out. The core would be removed in much the same manner as the Egyptians did it, but using modern drills. This is done on the quarry site before removing it, to cut down on the weight. Then transport it to the site you wish to grind and polish it, again using modern grinders and polishers.

The only real problems are the money and the will to do it. Cheops and Khufu did not have those problems, or OSHA looking over their shoulder accompanied by a bevy of lawyers looking for workman comp. claims. etc. etc.

Any expert who says this can't be done today simply means no one is set up to do it on a production basis and has no incentive to do so as there is no other use for the tech. and it would be too expensive for them to set up for one-time use. But it can be done.

If we can put men in space, build the Verrazzano Narrows suspension bridge in N.Y., the Hoover dam, the huge dam complex in Holland, etc., we can certainly build a tall pile of tight-fitting rocks.

Al

There is a distinct difference in pouring cement and doing what needed to be done in cutting, moving, and placing Larger then life stones in the age of 10,500 bc. This is the current estimate of the pyramids that is now accepted the world around.
Lets look at the Biggest item of all in that area? It is a statue that is around 1000 tons. And instead of moving the statue they built the museum around it. It is one piece and a big piece at that. Roll that around on sand and it becomes very impossible to move. In fact it fell over and they still can not find a way to get it back upright.

[Jbignes5]

Little better video:
YouTube - The Flying Dome(Minaret)

Shows more of the beginning.

In the begining with the roof as a background you can see the white ropes at the proper angle to get it to the top of the tower. Since the video is in such a bad compression it is very hard to make out the ropes. They were chanting because this was a religious ceremony and they were overjoyed that their temple was getting a new dome. Nothing surprising there. In fact even if you take out the ropes theory the dome rocks back and forth at a set place as it is being lifted.

[Jbignes5]

In all the arguments.

I would rather take the bible out of the equation here since it can be proven that all or most of the stories have come from the Sumerian's texts. Well at
least the biggest stories, Creation of the world and the flood. So since it was predated to an Earlier society we must refer to the Earlier societies tellings of that.
The one problem with dating rocks is that you can not date them to when they were milled or cut and then placed. One way to date them would be done due to the erosion of the structures themselves. The sphinx is the best one to date in this method because the outer casing stones of the pyramids were stolen to be used in building the new civilizations structures.
By using that method of dating the sphinx seems to have wear marks or erosion from rain on it to date it in the 10,500 bc year range. Well before the Egyptian eras. So debate on that can be dropped all together.
What we have here is a nomadic tribe finding a structure and city that had already been there. It could be that they built some or part of the city around the huge god like structure and thats about all they did. Ra could have been a caretaker left over to make sure the Pyramid continued what it's purpose was. In doing so the populous elevated his standing as a God. Weather he was in on that who knows but one thing is clear he influenced their society maybe giving them some insights into his own technology along the way.
I hate to see this important thread degrade to a name calling and shouting match. Lets just stick to the facts. The facts in this case is the bible is a copy of a much older Sumerian texts. Back then the bible didn't have 1 author. It had many. But the clearest message we get from the bible through Jesus is that the rules had changed. The old way was not correct anymore and the new way was of love and compassion. A clear message that should be followed above anything else. It was an attempt to correct mans misdirection and misuse of religion.
Ok so lets stop the religious debate and bring this back to the fact findings we have in front of our eyes. The Sumerian texts predate anything we see in that time with many offshoots creating a belief system. Remember my talk about man in his purest form? Show him a lighter and you are a fire god. Use medicine to heal his people and you are a god of healing with miraculous healing powers.
Focus people on the facts and all this dogma disappears.

[HairBear]

I agree with keeping religion out of this thread, but, most of the information comes from these books of the bible. I found another good book I haven't had the time to read yet.

"The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse"

Heron's book begins with an analysis of the mathematical phenomena surrounding the pyramids – for example, the fact that the length of each side of the Great Pyramid at the base is 365.2422 Hebrew cubits, the exact number of days in the solar year, including the extra day for each leap year. He also points out how four long, narrow passageways in the pyramid point to specific stars in the sky and that ancient monuments in Mexico and Cambodia have similar celestial connections to the same four stars.

Next, Heron takes the reader to the Genesis text that talks of the "sons of God," citing other uses of the term in the Bible. He says the term is comparable to the mention of angels, whom Heron says should more accurately be called "agents" or "messengers."

Heron then goes back to Genesis 6, citing verse 2: "The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose."

Writes Heron: "What this verse is implying is that these 'sons of God,' who were created spirit beings, had intercourse with ordinary human women and produced children. But these were no ordinary offspring."

The result of the unions, Heron says, were the Nephilim, Hebrew for giants, that are mentioned in verse 4. The fathers, also are referred to as Nephilim, which also means "the fallen ones." The author says the fathers were malevolent spirits, or demons.

The Nephilim, then, were "a hybrid of demons and men. They were evil and wicked by nature and could not be rehabilitated and made good, for the evil was in their genes."


I have read earlier of the claims of the natives in the Americas that the pyramids and other large buildings were built by humans side by side with giants. Is that a coincidence?

[Jbignes5]

I agree with keeping religion out of this thread, but, most of the information comes from these books of the bible. I found another good book I haven't had the time to read yet.

"The Nephilim and the Pyramid of the Apocalypse"

Heron's book begins with an analysis of the mathematical phenomena surrounding the pyramids – for example, the fact that the length of each side of the Great Pyramid at the base is 365.2422 Hebrew cubits, the exact number of days in the solar year, including the extra day for each leap year. He also points out how four long, narrow passageways in the pyramid point to specific stars in the sky and that ancient monuments in Mexico and Cambodia have similar celestial connections to the same four stars.

Next, Heron takes the reader to the Genesis text that talks of the "sons of God," citing other uses of the term in the Bible. He says the term is comparable to the mention of angels, whom Heron says should more accurately be called "agents" or "messengers."

Heron then goes back to Genesis 6, citing verse 2: "The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose."

Writes Heron: "What this verse is implying is that these 'sons of God,' who were created spirit beings, had intercourse with ordinary human women and produced children. But these were no ordinary offspring."

The result of the unions, Heron says, were the Nephilim, Hebrew for giants, that are mentioned in verse 4. The fathers, also are referred to as Nephilim, which also means "the fallen ones." The author says the fathers were malevolent spirits, or demons.

The Nephilim, then, were "a hybrid of demons and men. They were evil and wicked by nature and could not be rehabilitated and made good, for the evil was in their genes."


I have read earlier of the claims of the natives in the Americas that the pyramids and other large buildings were built by humans side by side with giants. Is that a coincidence?

I understand what you are saying Hairbear. My reference was actually a religious debate as to who is correct. I meant that we should stick with what is said not guess or enter into a philosophical debate about angles or such.
I meant that we should stick to what is presented to us not ignore what is said in the bible. Even though I think that it is a retelling of the main features of our history the other stuff that is presented could be most attributed to a belief system and not a historical record.
Don't get me wrong there are things that talk about messengers that could be clues as well when they are taken in context and not out of a "god" like attitude that they tended to do with things that were mostly unexplained to their own reasoning.
I didn't mean to disclaim the bible at all and that was not my real intention at all. What I was trying to say is that we need to filter out all the "god" talk and such because this is a belief system when we are looking for facts.
I have and will reference the bible in my chats. That doesn't mean that I can not look at the situation and say that knowing what we know today that a bush that all of a sudden catches fire doesn't have a real explanation other then it was mystical.

[Aaron]

1 year per side

the fact that the length of each side of the Great Pyramid at the base is 365.2422 Hebrew cubits, the exact number of days in the solar year, including the extra day for each leap year.

Nephilim, Hebrew for giants, that are mentioned in verse 4. The fathers, also are referred to as Nephilim, which also means "the fallen ones."

I thought that 3 sides were equal in length and 1 side was longer to account
for leap year - using 1.001" as the inch used back then.

From what I studied, Nephilim actually means "Earth Born" and those that
were Earth Born happened to be giants.