My proposed explanation for the great pyramids.

[Jbignes5]

Let us understand the significance of this.

Just because they didn't find the records does not mean they didn't happen. The ones that they have found were actually very well condensed versions of the original accounts from the Sumerian society. I would tent to believe that some of the "religious" banter in the bible is filler. You have to understand that any time they translated the original text they tended to throw in their own beliefs as well like in the King James version of the bible. When one compares the Aramaic and Greek versions of the bible you will see that certain things were omitted and other things added to support that time periods customs or beliefs.

Not everything in the bible should be taken as fact but a lot of the bigger accounts seem to be very accurate with much condensing of the stories. It could have been a translation error or sticky translation problems that made them condense the original account.

It would seem to me that if we had found the Sumerian texts that maybe the Egyptians or even a subset of Egyptians who were scholars tried to translate the earlier texts to keep them in history. And as others have said once you tell a story then pass it along it can and will change as it is passed. At some point I believe the earliest Egyptians had access and that someone secretly transcribed the earlier texts and formed a religion out of it. It would be explained by the Moses stories of trying to get the Egyptians to let them (the followers) go and believe what they wanted. But the problem is I think they knew what the pyramid was for and the Covenant of "God" was actually the power source or focusing unit that made the pyramid work. Hence the weird accounts of strange Miracles that Moses did as they escaped. They knew that it held or did the will of "God" and that they could not leave it with the Egyptians anymore because they were being corrupted by the power of it.

What do you think?

*Edit I believe the Egyptians have full knowledge of what is below the pyramids and surrounding structures. In fact the proof is that they are now sectioning off the pyramid to protect that secret. I bet there is an access that they have found when you stated Aaron and they indeed found the Library. But like the times of old the knowledge is more powerful then their ability to share the truth. Again corruption has crept in and they keep us in the dark. I don't believe it would destroy our belief system. It would only go to provide us with the truth. The only thing it would do would be to free us from the control of a much corrupted system and that corruption is the evil we all face to this day. Maybe just maybe this deception will be broken by our kin that left us so many years ago by coming back and reintroducing us to our forefathers and the truth of who we really are.
The one thing that scares me is that it seems that the ones in power are painting our ancestors as evil through all our media. Look at the movies and events that disturbs us the most. Aliens coming down here using anal probes and terrible devices to invade our bodies like they are trying to make us fear them and fight them when they come back. Look at the movie about 2012 coming out. It is only a way to strike fear in our hearts so we will die to save ourselves or protect them (our current rulers). All the information that would dispell this is being kept hidden from us but for a few tid bits that have been leaked by individuals who only want the truth. They don't care about it because their own media blitz is countering these revelations and in effect being hidden by not shedding light on the truth or bringing it to the forefront. Like hiding it in plain sight like the ones in power do with anything like that. Look at Tesla's situation and you can see the parallel in what I am saying. Yes the truth is out there but they keep it at bay even when it is discovered by a media blitz that squashes or misdirects the general publics attention to something else. Fear is a great motivator especially when it is built and designed to mislead us through ignorance that they keep us in.

[Stealth]

They learned in world war II how effective fear is as a way to control people. The current fear of 2012 is now their driving force to keep people in the dark. They are using it to further control our fears and thoughts. They learned all about brainwashing and subliminal control after the war. I feel that most of what we watch and probably most of what we hear broadcast has subliminal messages to control our way of thinking. I hardly watch TV or listen to the radio these days because of control they have on the media. There is no freedom of speech now. Everything they discover will be hiddne from the general public if it involves anything to do with our ancestory or energy capabilities. More and more control is what they seek, and will stop at nothing until we are totally suppressedGood Luck. Stealth

[rickoff]

I believe the Egyptians have full knowledge of what is below the pyramids and surrounding structures. In fact the proof is that they are now sectioning off the pyramid to protect that secret. I bet there is an access that they have found .. and they indeed found the Library.

This would certainly seem to be the case. Herodotus wrote that he personally viewed the upper rooms of the Labyrinth at Lake Moeris, and said there were 1500 rooms in all, with an equal number below these. He was not permitted to view the lower chambers, but the Egyptian priests told him that numerous scrolls were hidden there in subterranean apartments. Lake Moeris is about 32 miles from the Great Pyramid, but at the time of Herodotus' visit the shoreline would have extended to within perhaps 15 to 20 miles of the Great Pyramid. Herodotus wrote, "There I saw twelve palaces regularly disposed, which had communication with each other, interspersed with terraces and arranged around twelve halls. It is hard to believe they are the work of man. The walls are covered with carved figures, and each court is exquisitely built of white marble and surrounded by a colonnade. Near the corner where the labyrinth ends, there is a pyramid, two hundred and forty feet in height, with great carved figures of animals on it and an underground passage by which it can be entered. I was told very credibly that underground chambers and passages connected this pyramid with the pyramids at Memphis (Giza)."

And other records were indicated:

• Crantor(300 BC) wrote that there were certain underground pillars in Egypt that contained a written stone record of pre-history, and that they lined access ways connecting the pyramids.
• The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus made additional disclosures about the existence of subterranean vaults that appeared to lead to the interior of the Great Pyramid, writing of inscriptions which the ancients asserted were engraved on the walls of certain underground galleries and passages that were constructed deep in the dark interior to preserve ancient wisdom from being lost in the flood.
• In the tenth century, Masoudi contended that "written accounts of Wisdom and acquirements in the different arts and sciences were hidden deep, that they might remain as records for the benefit of those who could afterwards comprehend them."
• Christian Rosenkreuz, the said founder of the Order of Rosicrucians, allegedly penetrated a "secret chamber beneath the ground" in the area of the Sphinx, and there found a library of books full of secret knowledge.

What is no doubt the most amazing report of records found at Giza, however, was an object found during an expedition into the underground city beneath Giza, and said to be "a multi-faceted spherical crystalline object the size of a baseball, that was brought up from the city, and its supernatural nature was demonstrated at a recent conference in Australia. Deep within the solid object are various hieroglyphs that slowly turn over like pages of a book when mentally requested to do so by whoever holds the object. That remarkable item revealed an unknown form of technology and was recently sent to NASA in the USA for analysis."
Ancient cities under the sands of Giza

Even just 20 years ago we wouldn't have believed that such an object could possibly exist, but now nearly everyone is familiar with the capabilities of mini USB drives that hold several Gigabytes of information. So a baseball sized object of even more advanced technology could certainly be capable of holding all the knowledge of the ancients. Think about it - an object that, unlike parchments, books, and inscriptions, would almost surely withstand the test of time and the elements.

The abobe linked website states that a documentary film of the expedition to the city beneath Giza, titled Chamber of the Deep is said to have been made and subsequently shown to private audiences. It was originally intended to release the footage to the general public, but for some reason it was withheld. I guess we know the reason for that! Revealing the existence of the crystalline object, and its capabilities, to the public would shatter the very foundations of historic and scientific knowledge, and of course we can't have that, now, can we?


Rick

[jtstatic]

Aaron, regarding that stone tablet and other findings regarding Atlantis and Mu you mention, and noticing how you have studied these things further, you might find following interesting - and I may sound like a broken record, but if you can take a brief moment to check the pages starting from 129/130 (134/135 in the e-book).

E-book

Interestingly, here again is described the Maya-Atlantean link.

‘They went to Greece where they founded a small colony and the Greek alphabet corresponds almost exactly to that of Mu. ‘Finally they arrived in a land that the natives called Aranka and which you know as Egypt. There, they established a strong colony with a great man, by the name of Toth, at its head. Laws were established which embodied the beliefs of Mu and the organisational principles of Atlantis. Improved plants, new techniques for raising cattle, new methods of cultivation, pottery and weaving were all introduced. ‘Toth was a great man of Atlantis, extremely knowledgeable materially as well as spiritually. He founded villages, built temples and, just before his death, he had constructed what you now call the Great Pyramid. Each time these great colonisers judged that the new colony had the potential to become great, materially and spiritually, they would construct a special pyramid - a tool - as you were able to see for yourself on Mu. In Egypt, they constructed the Great Pyramid on the same model as the Pyramid of Savanasa, but on a scale three times reduced. These pyramids are unique and, in order to fulfil their role as a ‘tool’, their dimensions and specifications must be precisely adhered to, as well as their orientation.’ ‘Do you know how much time it took?’ ‘It was quite fast - just nine years, for Toth and his master architects knew the secrets of anti-gravitation from Mu, and the secrets for cutting the rock and using - let’s call them ‘electro-ultra-sounds’.’

On the same page is another description of "Nagas" from Mu that had colonised Burma / India, which is interesing regarding the "Naacal" tablets Churchward found...

It's also interesting that there is a practice called "Nagualism" in Mesoamerican tradition, whose teachings actually have a very eastern philoshopy type spiritual vibe to them if you dig deeper. Stories of these can be found in Carlos Castanedas books for example.

Anyway getting back to aforementioned book, it suggests that Atlantis and Mu were indeed separate continents. This seems appropriate as the Mayan civilization resides between the supposed locations. Both these continents seemed to suffer the same fate of going under water due to cataclysms..

What is the absolute truth however, go figure.. I just present this here as one possible link.

[ANTIQUER]

Hi Aaron;

As a very interesting note, Gurdjieff met a Catholic Priest on his journey's
and this priest showed him a pre-sand map of Egypt! This isn't very well
known and I don't know if there are any copies of it. I thought Gurdjieff
copied the map - been a while. I have the survivor story "monument"
somewhere in my Gurdjieff archive, which I don't even know where it is
at the moment I'll post when I find it because it is very interesting.

He says he made a copy;

How the Pre-sand Map Was Copied

Both the prince and Gurdjieff made copies of the map, but not by the same method. Could this have any significance? In telling Gurdjieff about the copy made by the prince, the priest said, “We spread the parchment out on the table, and the prince added water to some powdered alabaster he had brought with him; after covering the parchment with oil he spread the alabaster over it. Several minutes later he removed the alabaster, wrapped it up in a piece of old djedjin I gave him, paid me two hundred pounds, and went away.”

Gurdjieff’s copy, however, was made by tracing the map with oiled paper. “One evening, two days before our departure, while the priest was absent, I got into his room again and took the parchment from the chest. I took it to our room and throughout the night Pogossian and I traced all the details of the map, after having covered it with oiled paper.”

There seems to be a connection, for in Egypt hieroglyphs inscribed on the inner walls of the Temple of Edfu tell the story of Seven Sages who sailed to Egypt from an island known as the “Homeland of the Primeval Ones.” Could these walls be speaking about Atlantis?

Pondering Gurdjieff’s Map - a knol by The Gurdjieff Journal

Check out the last 2 pics. of the hieroglyphs in the top row in the link below. Are these what you saw?

Egypt's Lost Legacy and the Genesis of Civilization

Al

[ANTIQUER]

Hi Rick;

I find nothing credible about Tony Bushby or his books/articles which are what is in the link you supplied, Ancient cities under the sands of Giza.
As usual any evidence to support any claim has mysteriously disappeared, and some of them are pretty wild.

By the way I'm pretty sure that engraving of the pyramid in the lake is a fake. I have seen engravings of that period and they are of pretty fine detail, not the hazy mess pictured. Also note he gives no reference as to who did it or published it so it could be checked out.

Here's an interesting thought. If it were accurate how did they get those monstrous figures on top of the pyramids in the lake? How did they build them in the middle of a lake? That's harder than on dry sand.

As for Herodotus you don't suppose those ancient Egyptians could have been pulling his leg about those underground rooms, do you? Or even worse, would they lie to impress him?

The biggest problem I see with any claim of subterranean vaults, tunnels, etc. is the water table. It currently is at about 23' below the surface. As you state, which seems to be correct according to some ancient writings, Lake Moeris was much closer to the Great Pyramid in earlier days and therefore the water table would have been even higher.

And also with the annual flooding of the Nile how could they have kept the water out while building all these places, esp. a series of tunnels 30 miles long under the Nile and the lake, or palaces 250' tall, not to mention the effects of earthquakes, etc. How would they keep the ceiling from caving in, esp. under the river and lake beds?

As to all the current speculation about secret passages, etc., that's all it is;speculation. Much of it is based around Edgar Cayce's so-called prophesies, yet even a team from their own group found no caverns under the paws of the Sphinx after drilling where readings suggested there might be some.

Check Hawass's website and he tells what they have found in various new "tunnels" around the Sphinx which have been hyped lately; nothing. They hit water in at least one of them at 12'. The hypsters take readings which suggest geological anomalies and in their "reports" turn them into evidence of vaults, etc. which have always turned out to be nothing more than anomalies.

drhawass.com - Zahi Hawass
While I certainly don't take what he says as gospel, his comments are confirmed by other reliable sources.

So while they may find other tombs, vaults, etc. buried by sand over time just as the Sphinx was nearly buried, I don't think they will find anything resembling cities, palaces, temple complexes or 30 mile tunnels.

Al

[Aaron]

thanks!

check the pages starting from 129/130 (134/135 in the e-book).

E-book

Thanks, I'll check it out. Interesting that this place always sounds similar
in all the languages.

[Aaron]

Temple of Horus at Edfu

Pondering Gurdjieff’s Map - a knol by The Gurdjieff Journal

Check out the last 2 pics. of the hieroglyphs in the top row in the link below. Are these what you saw?

Egypt's Lost Legacy and the Genesis of Civilization

Al

Al,

It is the Temple of Horus at Edfu!

Of course it is just a guess that the lost land or whatever they
want to call it is Atlantis, but it is another one of those mysteries
that appears to fit the description of the sunken land where
survivors left and came to start a new world.

But with multiple corroborated stories and evidence around the
world pointing to the same story and time frame, it certainly
seems to strengthen the argument for one or more sunken
continents or islands with an advanced civilization that escaped
and restarted elsewhere.

[ANTIQUER]

Hi jtstatic;

Where did the story of Mu/Atlantis come from and the supposed connection to Egypt?

Mu (lost continent) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Augustus_Le_Plongeon

Maya script - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Al

[sucahyo]

Aaron, regarding that stone tablet and other findings regarding Atlantis and Mu you mention, and noticing how you have studied these things further, you might find following interesting - and I may sound like a broken record, but if you can take a brief moment to check the pages starting from 129/130 (134/135 in the e-book).

E-book

The part about superman family after that made it rather questionable though. However:
"And to Solomon (We subjected) the wind, its morning (stride from sunrise till midnoon) was a month's (journey), and its afternoon (stride from the midday decline of the sun to sunset) was a month's (journey i.e. in one day he could travel two months' journey)."

[jtstatic]

Sucahyo, if you mean the proposed Hebrew connection, I agree with you, still I always find this particular book interesting and some of the connections it makes, even if it's figment of the writers imagination.

I also admit I haven't yet studied all the aspects yet, that's why I'd like to here second opinion from those who have apparently studied these things more than I have.

Antiquer, thx for the links, also I appreciate your critical approach, it brings some needed balance to this thread.

[Jbignes5]

I agree..

I have to agree with them on the contrary viewpoint you have Al. The problem with Hawass is that when he went to prove nothing was below the sphinx he drilled at an angle that would not have brought him much below what they fixed at the paws. So saying that is proof is a blatant misconception. You can clearly see that they were drilling into what they knew was only the paw below the sand. Check the angle and the distance from the paw. He knew he was drilling just below the sand and thats not where they said the portal was. It was much lower. Remember the misdirection approach or slight of hand. They wanted it to appear that they were looking and drilled only into what they knew was solid rock. Like drilling into the casing above the access..
So Hawass is only trying to disprove the theory by some slight of hand trickery. Instead of drilling to the specifications of the radar results. I mean why would you drill unless you had the radar team right there to show where it was?

[CaptainScat]

Hi folks, Hi Aaron, im not an expert in ancient things, but there was a movie called ' Krull ' i believe and the guy in the movie carried something very similar to that cross you showed. Seems yet again hollywood knows things, or whoever writes the movies.
peace love light
Tyson
edit: ok just checked, it actually has five blades or points, but looks similar.

the 'glaive'... man i loved that movie.

[rickoff]

Hi Rick;

Don't know if you have seen this, but it has a lot of good info. on the Sphinx, complete with drawings of the tunnels, etc. under it.

Sphinx Facts and Schematics - Crystalinks

Thanks, Al. The drawings do appear to be accurate in that they do show some of what has actually been found beneath and between the Sphinx and the pyramids. An early Rosicrucian/Masonic drawing is also said to show these details, including the large vertical shafts known as "Campbell's Tomb." These shafts are said to extend downwards 125 feet to several large chambers, one of which has another shaft extending to a chamber or chambers further below. The lower area, when found, was partially flooded, and contained a 12 foot sarcphagus, while another chamber is said to have contained several sarcophagi that were 18 feet!

There was also a program on PBS recently that was good. They talked about how the body and esp. the paws look out of proportion due to layers having been added over time by various Pharaohs to preserve it, and how the head is made of different limestone which is softer or harder, can't remember which. Perhaps with your skills you can find it on their website.

Yes, there have been many alterations and restorations to the Sphinx. The water erosion damage is seen beneath the layers of restorative repair, and where these layers have fallen off. I see, in the link that you provided, they do mention that, "The head of the Sphinx was altered many times by the Pharaohs," and that "The head has been replaced by several different heads - the original the head of a feline cat." The article also states that, "Many believe that the original head was that of the lion and the Sphinx dates to the Age of Leo - 12,000 years ago." These statements would support my reasoning in post # 168.
http://www.energeticforum.com/89648-post168.html

Thanks also for your Egypt's Lost Legacy and the Genesis of Civilization link in post #185. That article lends further credence to the Giza complex having been constructed around 10,500 BC, and offers compelling evidence that the Sumerians were actually ancient Egyptians who had left Giza because of the cataclysmic events that occurred there. Now going back to post #168, the Sumerians told of the Anunnaki being those whose secret abode was an underground place which very well could have been Giza. They also wrote that the Anunnaki had come from the Orion belt, which could explain why the Giza complex was planned to mirror the constellation Orion.

The biggest problem I see with any claim of subterranean vaults, tunnels, etc. is the water table. It currently is at about 23' below the surface. As you state, which seems to be correct according to some ancient writings, Lake Moeris was much closer to the Great Pyramid in earlier days and therefore the water table would have been even higher. And also with the annual flooding of the Nile how could they have kept the water out while building all these places, esp. a series of tunnels 30 miles long under the Nile and the lake, or palaces 250' tall, not to mention the effects of earthquakes, etc. How would they keep the ceiling from caving in, esp. under the river and lake beds?

Do you know what the level of ground water was 12,000 to 20,000 years ago, when all of this was likely built? And who said anything about a 30 mile tunnel under the Nile? Of course there is bedrock beneath the Nile, and so why would it be implausible that a tunnel could in fact be constructed beneath the Nile? Consider the Holland Tunnel beneath the Hudson River. The last I knew, that hadn't caved in yet. Sure, there would be some amount of water seepage in any tunnel beneath a body of water, but it could be pumped as we pump water from the Holland Tunnel, or simply drained to another lower lying area.

Here's an interesting thought. If it were accurate how did they get those monstrous figures on top of the pyramids in the lake? How did they build them in the middle of a lake? That's harder than on dry sand.

Who's saying that they were built in the lake? It is likely that they were built long before the lake rose to such a level, which was probably the result of either heavy rains predating the Ice Age, or the melting of receding glaciers following the period of the last Ice Age. My own concept regarding all of this is that this catastrophic period of heavy inundation was the reason why Giza was abandoned by the learned ones, and later discovered by other peoples who knew little or nothing about what lay beneath Giza.

As to all the current speculation about secret passages, etc., that's all it is;speculation. Check Hawass's website and he tells what they have found in various new "tunnels" around the Sphinx which have been hyped lately; nothing.

There's a lot more to this than mere speculation, Al. Throughout recorded history there have been various accounts of such passages, and not just from what Edgar Cayce said. I would take anything that Haw-ass says with a grain of salt. He is Egypt's chief obstructionist, and denier of anything and everything that would reveal truths about Giza. A magazine article, written and published in 1935 by Hamilton M. Wright, dealt with an extraordinary discovery under the sands of Giza that is today denied. The article was accompanied by original photographs provided by Dr Selim Hassan, the leader of the scientific investigative team from the University of Cairo who made the discovery. It said: "We have discovered a subway used by the ancient Egyptians of 5000 years ago. It passes beneath the causeway leading between the second Pyramid and the Sphinx. It provides a means of passing under the causeway from the Cheops Pyramid to the Pyramid of Chephren [Khephren]. From this subway, we have unearthed a series of shafts leading down more than 125 feet, with roomy courts and side chambers." So at least one prominent Egyptologist has admitted that the passages and chambers exist, and the 125 foot shafts that he spoke of are the ones known as the "Campbell's Tomb" shafts that I described at the beginning of this thread, and which were shown in the diagrams supplied by the Sphinx Facts and Schematics - Crystalinks link that you provided. You yourself stated that the link provided "a lot of good info on the Sphinx, complete with drawings of the tunnels, etc. under it." So why tout something as good info, and then later state that the tunnels and chambers are purely speculation?


Just wondering, Al, why it is that you seem to be so dead set against acceptance of any knowledge or theories about Giza that do not subscribe to popularized beliefs? I'm not knocking your beliefs, of course, and do respect your point of view, but I am just wondering why you appear to choose to accept what we have been told, rather than to diligently question it. I have been questioning authority, and conventional "wisdom" all my life, so I will probably never do otherwise, and it is highly unlikely that anyone can persuade me to think differently than I do, or to abandon what I feel are the logical assumptions that can be drawn. So here again, we will probably just have to agree to disagree on most of whatever we say in this thread. But that's okay, especially if it helps us to learn more and eventually unravel the actual truth.


Best to you,

Rick

[jtstatic]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

btw, the Magical Egypt series can be found on youtube. I thought the viewers of this thread might find it entertaining as well, I know I did