Donald duck free energy generator

[marseye]

Hi Elias,

Nice work, bravo. Simply said : impressive !

But : with adjacent and facing wheels, I think that such an arrangement can't be compared to Hatem's design, where the wheels are in line, while the magnets are facing each other on the perimeter edges.

Nevertheless, your apparent ability leads me to have great hope that you could be the next one to build a nice replication.

Tons of questions are rushing back in my mind... And I'm so frustrated that I won't have easily the means to conduct my own tests to answer them in a near future...

My main questions are about the adequate radius of the wheels, their relative tuned weight, primary motor needed power and relative impedance of the secondary generator (and nevertheless : adequate ratio between these two).

I'm also trying to figure out how we could have an heavy mass essentially on the perimeter of the wheel : it seems to me that it must be a non-conductive mass (ie: copper or aluminum) to avoid currents circulating between magnets. What else ? Wood ? Plastic ?

Being not a machines user, I see the armature's design as a problem too... where many would just laugh at such a problem...

But we may never depart from this great principle : "simple is beautifull".

Hope one can make it soon : I'd really like to see it self-sustaining (why no one has already made such a simple test ? Since it really seems that it should work right, ain't it ?...).

[elias]

The link for it on PESWiki: OS: Hatem Magnetic Cogging Device - PESWiki

I wonder if the same effect happens with two large rotating magnets coupled together.

I am going to design a system based on this idea in the coming days, after I complete my current project. I'll post the designs over here.

[Michelinho]

Hi marseye,

I'm also trying to figure out how we could have an heavy mass essentially on the perimeter of the wheel : it seems to me that it must be a non-conductive mass (ie: copper or aluminum) to avoid currents circulating between magnets. What else ? Wood ? Plastic ?

Bismuth would be the prefered element to use. It is heavy (close to lead in weight) and easy to cast.

Take care,

Michel

[marseye]

Thanks for the advice, Michelinho.... I'll have to think about it.

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Seen on Peswiki (same link that Elias gave just earlier), it's said :

"...It also says that they have not been able to self-loop the device yet, but that it can act to magnify energy from another source, whether it be solar, wind, or power from the grid.
The magnets mesh magnetically, not physically, as the drive motor turns. Allegedly, adding additional alternator cogs in series increases the output in relation to the input. [3] The magnets are placed so that the poles on adjacent rotors are opposed and thereby are always attracting the magnets they magnetically mesh with.

On Oct. 4, 2010, an associate said that it is likely that this is not actually an overunity system, and that it is a function of measurement errors. "Watt meters are not accurate outside of their 60 Hz specs; and they say nothing about reactive power or phase difference." A more accurate measurement would need to be conducted to convincingly show that this system is somehow harnessing energy from the environment to thereby produce more energy than it takes to run it.(...)"

Ok... I hadn't seen this page before... And I was wondering just before that about the accuracy of the digital watt-metters, when they are meant to talk exclusively the 50-60Hz language or to have false readings... Analog multimeters rarely lie (when in good conditions, not like the bunch that I fried before, with "gentle" HV, though... I hadn't a clue then...).

But nothing is lost : we've seen that a similar device had shown big differences in terms of pure torque (>300% with a taylored system).

That's where I had my previous questions : if the wheels are to be on a 1:1 ratio, then it's the generator that must be sized correctly.

Anyway, Hatem showed up to 4 secondary generators after 1 primary motor... And he's still claiming since long that torque is amplified.

Well, mates, still a lot of R&D to be made ! "Ouch ! My wallet !", since I'm not that rich... It's so hard to make the right decisions about what should better be tried !...

Anyway, overunity is to be reached from one system or another (it's been affirmated before : JB, Peter L., Bruce De Palma (what a damn fertile generation !!!), the water-pump guy, many others, and Tesla far before these nowadays Geniuses). So, let's keep our faith alive

[Zooty]

I can see something in this setup that might possibly make some sense. Take two strong magnets and put them together in attraction mode. The adjacent force required to pull them apart is the same amount that is holding them together right? OK, Instead of pulling them apart like that, push the back of one of the magnets down 90 degrees like pushing a lever, it is much easier to pull it apart. Sliding the faces apart also requires less energy. I say less energy but what i mean is instantaneous energy. Maybe the energy required is the same but it is dissipated over a longer period of time. Take in to account the flywheel effect and the fact that as one pair comes apart, another pair is being attracted, this may very well be some kind of free power assistance.

[marseye]

@ Zooty : +1
I have the same thoughts.

[Roland]

Is there a affordable way measure power at the shaft?
Or even a good way to load the shaft to determine if this lessens the load on the motor? (lowering wattage)
It seems the alternator, inverter... just adds more complication to determine if power is being amplified.

[gyula]

Is there a affordable way measure power at the shaft?
Or even a good way to load the shaft to determine if this lessens the load on the motor? (lowering wattage)
It seems the alternator, inverter... just adds more complication to determine if power is being amplified.

See this link: The Newman's Machine v2.0 - Towards Free Energy ?

[Roland]

See this link: The Newman's Machine v2.0 - Towards Free Energy ?

Thank you, That is just what needed This will save me $$$ and time.

[elias]

Is there a affordable way measure power at the shaft?
Or even a good way to load the shaft to determine if this lessens the load on the motor? (lowering wattage)
It seems the alternator, inverter... just adds more complication to determine if power is being amplified.

It depends how much you want to load your rotors.
One easy way would be building coils, and as your wheels have alternating magnets on them, you can easily make electricity by nearing your coils to the wheel. About 200-300 turns of #20 wire may suffice to load your rotor down. But you need to mount your coils tightly.

[Roland]

It depends how much you want to load your rotors.
One easy way would be building coils, and as your wheels have alternating magnets on them, you can easily make electricity by nearing your coils to the wheel. About 200-300 turns of #20 wire may suffice to load your rotor down. But you need to mount your coils tightly.

I'm not an electrical guy YET(i have a lot of learning to do) so using coils to produce a desired friction is a bit intimidating right now.

I want to load it as much as necessary to see if this power amplification as laid out works. I would like to be able to determine at least a 50% increase before i go through the effort and expense in adding the electricity producing side. It looks like i will have close $1000 bucks into this, before adding the electricity producing side (don't tell my wife ).

The concern i have with the friction device showed in that Gyula linked in that Nunan test, may not is work at high RPMs. I assume adding a load on the shaft of a 1.5 Hp motor at 3400 RPM (Or higher)would burn the wood. Maybe a material like Phenolic / Micarta may work as a brake arm at that speed?

[gyula]

You could consider teflon I think. Just a cylinder (a ring) shaped piece of a thickness that can embrace the end of the shaft.

[bugler]

This video has been posted before but I would like to know if anyone has something new to say about it.

YouTube - How to Build Your Own Free Energy Device / Generator - Hatem Magnetic Cogging Replication

YouTube - Free Energy Electric Power Generator Overunity Magnet Motor

Thanks.

[powerme]

Smith's secret

Donald had purposely designed his generators with highly exotic materials that are quite rare, good luck with replication.

there is no secret here folks, coils only transform, capacitors only stores, spark gaps only pulse.

He used highly permititty dielectric materials which equal huge charge.

oops, this was meant for the other Donald thread. move this over mod.

[LiamXaoh]

I'm new to this forum and frankly don't understand some of the mechanisms being talked about.

How can two wheels covered in magnets affect the power being transferred? Power is a product of speed and torque. Both wheels have the same speed and the torque on each other is the same as the magnetic forces are equal on each wheel.

If any of these units with motors driving alternators via magnetic couplings actually produced more power than they consumed how come none of them ever are shown with the output driving the input? All these systems work off external power and have very dubious figures quoted on inputs and outputs.

Any thoughts on these matters?