Donald duck free energy generator

[Roland]

I'm new to this forum and frankly don't understand some of the mechanisms being talked about.

How can two wheels covered in magnets affect the power being transferred? Power is a product of speed and torque. Both wheels have the same speed and the torque on each other is the same as the magnetic forces are equal on each wheel.

If any of these units with motors driving alternators via magnetic couplings actually produced more power than they consumed how come none of them ever are shown with the output driving the input? All these systems work off external power and have very dubious figures quoted on inputs and outputs.

Any thoughts on these matters?

I understand where you are coming from, and yeah common since says to me this can't work. I can't completely explain why i think it could possibly work. Anyway my thoughts relate this to the power of a pendulum. The pendulum may easier to visualize how this may work. (Maybe it is just me)

Here is a video that demonstrates how a pendulum can transfer more usable power than just brute force.
YouTube - Superiority of Pendulum Drive - Potential Energy to Kinetic Energy
I think phenomenon would be very similar for this devices. A "gravity" is working on both. Newtons law says the pendulum should not perform more work ether, but some experiment show otherwise.

[LiamXaoh]

I don't see what that video has to do with the magnetic coupling. The notes with the video "Milkovic demonstrates a simple experiment showing the change of potential to kinetic energy and proving the energy excess is possible with the pendulum drive" are clearly misleading.

When he says "excess energy" what does he mean? Excess compared to what? Certainly not excess compared to the energy available in the ball falling from the height whether it be down the ramp in the trolley or the height it falls as a pendulum weight.

Rolling the ball down the trolley and it banging on the end of it is a very poor way to transfer energy. The pendulum is a far more efficient way but if the distance travelled is the measure then there is a far better way. I have done it for a school project.

[Roland]

I don't see what that video has to do with the magnetic coupling. The notes with the video "Milkovic demonstrates a simple experiment showing the change of potential to kinetic energy and proving the energy excess is possible with the pendulum drive" are clearly misleading.

When he says "excess energy" what does he mean? Excess compared to what? Certainly not excess compared to the energy available in the ball falling from the height whether it be down the ramp in the trolley or the height it falls as a pendulum weight.

Rolling the ball down the trolley and it banging on the end of it is a very poor way to transfer energy. The pendulum is a far more efficient way but if the distance traveled is the measure then there is a far better way. I have done it for a school project.

The Pendulum Effect relating to the magnetic coupling.


The way i see it, the pendulum example is the almost same action and reaction as the a magnets on rotors interacting. If you isolate the magnets on the rotors, you may understand my view point.
Thinking about just 1 magnet on a rotor, you can see the rotor with one magnet is just simple pendulum. The difference is with magnets the "gravity effect" (will call it that) can be over one hundred times stronger than just gravity. The fact that Magnetic attraction behaves differently (the attraction increasing greatly as the magnets approach each other) seems to me that it would enhance the Pendulum effect also.

The Pendulums Effects and excess energy?

I would ask if is possible that the pendulum harnesses some centrifugal force or what? I say yes, but I'm just a backyard experimenter so take it FWIW.

YouTube - Power of the Pendulum - Proof of Ultra-Efficiency?

Feltenberger Offers Gravity Assist to Utility Power

I see this in a very weird way and i could be way off, but at a point while looking at all these devices this really started to make sense to me. I do believe the Pendulum Effect does harness another energy above that of just gravity attraction. I believe it also harnesses centrifugal force to some degree. (is it really centrifugal force or or just something related to centrifugal force, im not sure what to call it so i'll cal it that for now).

So it is not hard for me to believe that this could work as described. I even think with some improvements it could give a much greater COP than what is shown. Their design has a lot of room for improvements IMO. If there is extra energy from a pendulum, i think a properly designed interactive magnetic rotor gears with many strong magnets interacting hundreds of time per minutes could out perform the swinging pendulum effect.

I'm almost finished with my version, I will see soon if it works

[Duncan]

It is a habit of mine to periodically go over go over this forum and pay particular attention to threads that seem to have merit and are worthy of investigation but which have come to an early demise.
I take a very particular interest if I find that most of the the video links have been removed and also if information that is quoted from reputable Laboratories is also hoovered up.
I suggest you do the same and you will find that this thread is just such a one! I am impressed that not only the results of Underwriters Laboratories Inc. file no.: SV17412, project no.: 08CA33386 and the verification of the results by TUV Rhineland of North America Inc. file no.: 30881449.003, project no.: 3070701 have been erased but also the fail safe cashe and the google historical “snapshot” of the page have been eradicated.(at least I can't access)
Of course if “free energy” is attainable and most of the people on this forum believe it is including me (or else we would not be here), Then we are forced to believe the other side of the coin that there is a huge world wide network that effectively controls by murder, bribery and suppression the information and the exchange of that information.
It also stands to reason that such a forum as this would be very heavily infiltrated and monitored by the people who are tasked with suppressing the information. This is no reflection on the Energetics forum Its absolutely inevitable.
On the plus side if you review any Thread and discover most of the links and information have been hacked to pieces It is a strong probability that the device has a great deal of merit.
These horrible bastards after all are not going to invest their time and effort erasing “red herrings” Indeed they are going to inject and promote them!
It is unfortunate that anyone who posts information that would lead to a fully functional multi KW machine on this forum will immediately inform these horrible bastards where that information is to be had and they will snub it out very quickly.
And so the effort that is put into destroying the information by this filth is going to be directly proportional to the validity of the machine.
Also of course as you would expect shouts of “fraud” and “conman” will be directed at anyone furnishing useful information very early in the thread (even if it does cost a few $) again on the plus side this does probably “spotlight” an active member of this filth that has infiltrated the forum !
I would like the possibility of a dedicated energetics server to be considered where all the information video and pages posted on the forum could be stored immune from this type attack and available to members for future research... Ah going off thread again
Given that I have decide that this is a very valid subject I then spend hours using keywords and searching to replace the information that these ****s have tried to destroy.
I copy the video's to a hard drive and likewise the websites and of course any – reports
moving as quickly as I can I spend days researching the origins and replications particularly on “non English” web sites since this filth do not seem as adept at hoovering up in French or Latvian indeed European and Asian sites.
A lot of research (and on the understanding that an awful lot of red herrings are going to be injected by the filth,) however once something has appeared on US Television I don’t mind linking to it here! Its been planted there New Free Energy by George Mitchell - YouTube and only because its already out there! However it would not be there at all unless it was a long way behind other systems like .. this shown on TV with a decent control system that has been working for years before this machine of George's https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4...oper%2Bjob.png

However by accident there is something in Georges effort that does catch and hold my attention And it may be of interest to Mr B he was there as a very young Man helping when this film was shot 30 years ago. I take the liberty of including a screen shot taken from Floyd sweets secrets and I'm sure you'll see what has caught my attention In both films.https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...r%2Bfloyyd.png
So John a way to quantify and measure negative energy presents perhaps?
Anyway going off thread again …. Having studied all I need to and copied and deposited the information in safe places where it can be scattered,and having made such experiments as I need to and duplicated them as Ashweth advised I would like to kick start this thread again., It is my hope to see this thread conclude not only with a working machine but much more importantly with a working set of principles that can be understood and engineered!


It is no small ambition! we have to go into the mind of the inventor, and Leedskaline and Tesla to boot! and also shift from our dimension into another!.
I am going to have to try and draw a mental picture, since even when my mathematics was pretty good It wouldn't work in this place! And neither will yours! In fact Its a positive disadvantage.
So where to start? Strangely with maths for although as you can see from the way light travels things are very different in this world and you need a “Rock telescope” to see properly we can dig gently around this great big tree trunk and eventually together pull it out! Because although our mathematics stop working we can test all around the edges and see when it stops functioning!
OK Roland let me start with your inner self it has unerringly brought you to “The pendulum” Peter joined briefly and I think you'll find he has a deal of respect for “radionics” and the power of the pendulum That’s exactly where the concept of this machine started and Its where we must start!
Roland I would like you and of course anybody reading this to watch this action of a pendulum Energy Transformation for a Pendulum I know we all did this at school but we need to recap, as you can see the product of Kinetic and potential energy are always equal. You can of course calculate each from the position of the Bob, There are of course also instantaneous changes of direction My question to you is …. Where do you visualise those changes physically occurring ?

[freepenguin]

@ Duncan,

Have you read or studied the inertia impulse theory by Philipp M. Kanarev?
He formulated the mysterious or flawed concept of inertia in conventional physics.

Applying his hypothesis explains many weird phenomena that suggests overunity system. For example, it takes about 50hp to reach 100km/h on highway. To maintain the 100km/h, cars needs only 30hp. Where does the 20hp goes?

The conventional physics gives up to explain it except the kinetic friction.

Any mechanical device that has two components will harness extra kinetic energy within the system. It has to have a primary object (a swing pendulum or rotating flywheel) and a trigger or impulse generator that keeps the primary object run to produce extra energy.

The time energy curve of the primary object is saw tooth shape. The impulse force keep the object moving while extracting the kinetic energy for usable electricity.

I've seen Pendulum + kicker, A fly wheel + a trigger wheel, a fly wheel + trigger attached on the rim.

Should I put the computer simulation data and 3D motions here? I'm uncertain. I'm at the stage of computer simulation. Honestly, it requires grade 12 math, college level physics, and few computer softwares.

It would be easy to calculate specific COP ratio once enough data is gathered through computer simulations (numerical analysis method). The margin of error is order of 10^-3 to 10^-5. There will be error between simulation data and real prototype machine but it's measurable.

I'd love to discuss about it - inertia impulse theory - using mathematics and physics with other members. I'm pretty sure it can be done.

Once we find the real theory, builders don't have to tinker or blindly chasing the FE device. Of course, it's one solution of FE devices.

[Duncan]

The Inventor

Hi freepenguin – Thanks for your reply I'll first make clear that this Invention was documented and written about in France in the early 1950s, studying the subject and the man Throws a lot of light on the work of Leedskalnin and Tesla Indeed I will have to quote constantly from one or the other in order to surface from madness and chaos now and again.
I would very much like anyone reading this to get the gist of the “Mind picture” I am going to draw alas I am no real scholar but by all means try and simulate as I Draw what these giants were grappling with and the conclusions they came to.
The first thing I need to make clear as described here Summary of Series and Parallel Resonance Is that the mathematics of the resonant circuit have the same mathematical base as the Pendulum, In other words the tuner on your radio is the same animal as the pendulum in your clock, This means that whatever I am describing mechanically will almost certainly have an electrical equivalent.
You mention the sawtooth waveform, Consider the perfect Pendulum just as Leon and Tesla and Leedskalnin would have done, draw a piece of paper under it and you will trace a sine wave.
With a little bit of effort It can be shown that every possible wave form can be generated from a sine wave build a function generator you’ll soon find out the first requirement is a good sine wave. The trouble is you can't prove it, and neither can you generate a perfect square or sawtooth Its impossible to change voltage in zero time.
Just as it must be impossible for energy to change direction instantaneously inside a Bob, and yet it does (apparently) to do anything in zero time is impossible isn’t it ?
If your having trouble visualising this imagine the bob as a rotating disk with a small rocket in the centre, picture in your mind where it must fire and where it must stop firing,turn and fire again all in Zero time. You have probably noticed Freepenguin that every “real life natural figure”is irregular π or epsilon for example has no resolution although I believe we are up to about 1.25 trillion places in the case of π. 1.25 Trillion? must have used a lot of pencils don’t you think? Now why should all these decimal places interest us? It is this whilst none of these irregular numbers will resolve the “state of existence” cant be proved. Keeping in mind that our numbering system could have any base we wish to nominate and if we decided to alter the base such that π. Is a negative quantity the conclusion is of course that we have no Idea of the size of π It may be infinitesimal or it may be infinite relative to our existence which we also cant quantify or mathematically prove.
As Our Maths system is geometrically based.
Ergo resolve one of these huge questions which the biggest computers are still fighting with and you start to resolve the cause of the exsistance of our universe and start to give it presence and energy. Leedskalnin and Leon Raoul Hatem (who Invented this machine) both state that our world indeed our whole presence is “Magnetic” Leon is known as “The watchmaker” He hand made watches and Clocks probably the best description of Leon and his work is given in the P.JK free energy book which is available gratis here Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices - eBook Download (chapter 2 page 41) obviously like Tesla hyper sensitive to the slightest change. an then A professor noted a change in the action of the pendulum Professor Maurice Allais - a genius before his time - as are they all Leon being one of the foremost engineers of his time armed with this information managed to engineer and machine a planetary system including gravity and “de gravitation “ which seems to answer a lot of the unknowns, In all major respects his conclusions and results challenge present day theory.
The results of Leone’s research have resulted in Leon and his son over the 50years since this demonstration forming a whole philosophy based on their observations.
Bearing in mind that English is not the mother tongue they make a far better fist of describing this phenomena than I could in French... LEON RAOUL HATEM DISCOVERIES. Beyond Quantum Physics, the birth of an atom. .
Leon demonstrates his Theory with a series of experiment,Much like Leedskalnin, I had to read carefully through his theory a few times before the sense of what he is indicating penetrated I have tried to demonstrate only the bit relative to this device.
As I understand it Leon never wished to patent his invention putting it freely into the public domain “for the good of humanity” however it seems that there were/are moves afoot in a country outside Europe to try and not only to steal Leon s intellectual property but also try to patent it for profit.!
And so he was reluctantly forced to patent! Some years ago.
every instance of Leon's I have seen duplicated so has a fundimental translation error which betrays its origin.





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[ewizard]

I got a bit curious about the missing UL info. I found it on Terawatt's web site but nothing on UL.com. However in trying ever increasingly general searches on UL I found nothing. I even just did a search for items by General Electric and got a 'nothing found'. GE should have thousands of if not millions of items that should show up in a search there. I think the UL search engine is asleep, kaput!

I saw info on Terawatt a year or two ago. It looked very good but I don't see anything new and no product yet apparently. I guess one could write them and ask what's up.

[Duncan]

!Thanks for that ewiz I've seen that now although I would have loved to see the detailed information that a Lab write up would have provided. Its a Lab report It does'nt "Look good" it has a conclusion and Proves!
Hell I seem to be covering the dedicated and serious life times work of some very clever and dedicated people in a poor fashion In order to describe what I only see dimly I hope they'll forgive me.. My method however is the same as these people I am a practical person, that means I see or imagine something happen and then try to fit the maths to it.
If I am imagining some thing that as yet has no maths then I am forced to look and sound silly! I really cant do anything else. I am going to return to the pendulum if no one has any objection. I left you with the strange picture of a pendulum with a revolving disk and a tiny rocket, not exactly how I picture it if the rocket were invisible and hidden inside the bob then Its closer.
Not lets consider this classic Double Pendulum beloved by mathematics bods with springs and elastic and anything else they can think of , Usually in an attempt to follow the patterns into chaos. I don’t know if in this day and age of computer simulation pure mathematicians have made more sense of chaos I some how doubt it but of course our energy from the vacuum answer is hiding in there. If it was available in pure understandable maths It would have been discovered years and years ago. In fact It was but all the mathematics necessary to understand the forces have been pretty much expunged.I certainly don’t know .quaternions or Tensors and there isn’t any in my change from a bottle of white lightening cider!
And so I'm left with Mmmm little rockets, well here’s what I start to picture the pendulum disks spinning at random speeds and rather than a perfectly directed and controlled vectored thrust our rockets go off scattering vectors in every direction in other words in my head I visualise The simple pendulum as a perfectly timed ,perfectly vectored thrust,turned on and off at exactly the right time ,
I view the double pendulum as a series of untimely random explosions. “I can actually sense the mathematicians shuddering but I have to get past this bloody thing without proving anything ! Particularly anything that the best minds in the world have fought with I don't want to chase my tail. if the theory works the machine will work and clever people can put the rest of the little bits of the jigsaw together.
This explosion I visualise as being omnidirectional like a ball exploding,and It begged the question what would happen If I could block the forces even slightly in one direction or better still two and try and direct the forces however slightly in one direction just as a bullet or a car piston does. Of course the vast majority of the explosive energy is lost but there would still be a gain.
In short I see this machine Directory:Milkovic Two-Stage Mechanical Oscillator - PESWiki
It also Incidentally caused me to try and visualise the effect of contained explosions and what occurs on multiple receptive movable surfaces if the timing were to be perfect would the usable force tend to be halved or doubled? (of course an event in zero time is exactly what we are investigating) and so I googled for an engine that might be designed that way keeping in mind that if its tendency is to halve the available power it will be dumped as useless, If the tendency is to double the power the engine would not be wanted on the market and so It would be buried, The patents would be bought up or tampered with by someone very rich .To make good and bloody sure such an engine never made it back into production the last thing that’s wanted is a motor that’s half the weight and goes twice as far for a gallon of petrol..http://www.oldengine.org/members/die...terTS3/TS3.htm , If you feel inclined investigate what happened to it,.. on with our pendulum...
Consider for a moment a pendulum that is a magnet, consider a magnet opposing directly under the centre of the swing It must move and it must return and move again, Is such a simple thing (structure and string accepted) perpetual motion? Is it that easy ? Anyway please consider this a/ a simple pendulum you must inject energy to start it and the magnetic pendulum?
The simple pendulum has maximum potential energy at the height of its swing and the magnetic pendulum?
If made correctly the simple pendulum looses a tiny amount of energy on each swing and the magnetic pendulum? So just so you can see the mathematical comparison we are seeking
The simple pendulum smooth predictable action is to double pendulum chaos
as
Mathematical magnetically induced pendulum chaos is to a smooth free predictable energy source

anyway if one of you mathematical types can see a way of cross multiplying chaos with the mirror image of chaos and then dividing by perfect symmetry I would be interested in the result !
But you are I hope starting to see what Leon was considering. I also hope a great deal of what Leedskaline was magnetically demonstrating is starting to fit.
In the next bit of scribble I'll try and point out and translate the moments of force in Hatem's machine and where what is described else where in another machine as “splitting the neutral”occurs and how this translates into KW of free usable power. 19 kW in fact in the best home made machine I’ve been introduced to so far!.The resulting power gain going from machine to machine follows the Fibonacci series and so I imagine you begin to see the phenomenal power available here!
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[Duncan]

vectors of force

ust a quick recap I would hope that by now you will be starting to comprehend the following as a very rough guide
A/ All of the mathematics in use today are have a geometrical base and when faced with a real natural problem must fail, That is why Pythagoras is and always will be “A Theorem”

B/ From a pure sine wave every other waveform is obtainable. In theory of course none of this can be proved.

C/ A Double pendulum will lead to chaos , even a very slight vectoring of those forces will lead to free energy being made available

D/ A magnetic pendulum as described will provide movement and energy for hundreds and thousands of years.

E/ The Chaos created by the magnetic pendulum must have a certain content which is due the contribution of the simple pendulum

F/Tesla seriously questioned, and Hatem and Leedskaline flatly state the electron is fiction!

G/ Whilst None of the natural irregular numbers can be resolved our very existence, dimension direction or size cannot be verified. All that can be said (by inspection) is that “change” and “series” in some form or another will make Itself known on the other side of this dimention, usually in a most unexpected form!

So lets go in with “big boots” basically what Leon decided to do was try and mechanically cancel out the chaos of the magnetic pendulum and see what remained.
Here is his drawing of the resultant forces Leon Raoul HATEM -- magnet motor
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and poor as it may be my translation of the French re both drawings .. a French speaker doing a better job would be appreciated

Top drawing
At rest (a) the magnets of both the drive and the slave rotor will fall into balanced equilibration at a point of equal attraction.
When the driven rotor is turned (b) there must be a certain amount of slip between the drive and the slave, The tendency is for the slave to accelerate in an impossible attempt to come into synchronous lock with the drive.
Of course should the drive be accelerated to fast or the load be increased to fast beyond a certain point the synchronous link is lost.

Bottom drawing
Whilst it is difficult at first sight to deduce a mathematical foundation for this natural acceleration effect in the first instance. It is possible to make a direct comparison of magnetic forces by alternating the magnetic poles. At rest (a) the driven rotor and the slave are again in balanced equilibrium.
However when being driven and slippage occurs there is natural cogging and the tendency is to retard.

Note It is only possible "to compare"

[Roland]

Hey Duncan

Pendulum and Interactive Gear System, Connecting the dots. I may be completely wrong on how Raoul's device works, but FWIW.

I think Veljko Milkovic' - 2 Stage Oscillator does actually multiply energy, i have no doubt of this. When I strip down all things that don’t help the TSO’s produce power, it boiled down to the same thing that support F. M. Chalkalis" s(and even the Feltenberger Pendulum) claims of how his devise can multiply energy. Simply said just accelerating a descending bob under the influence of gravity. IMO the big difference between those two devices is that Milkovic's can give a greater COP & Chalkalis's should be able to produce more overall power (it can accept more input) if both are of similarly sized.

I am of the opinion that these Interactive Gear systems are simple a magnetic version of the "F. M. Chalkalis" energy multiplier device. And like F. M. Chalkalis device these Interactive GEARS will multiply energy better with fine tuning of the pulse input power. The timing of the input pulse has to coincide with the part of the rotation when the gears attracting. The input pulse should end before the magnetic resistance part of the rotation starts, for maximum COP. I also believe other things can optimize it’s effects, rotor diameter, magnet shapes, a flywheel with mass, especially at lower RPMs ...

If you have any cheap suggestions on how to build or buy a pulse controller it would be appreciated.
The math is over my head, i'll leave that to you and others.


F. M. Chalkalis" energy multiplier device
F.M.CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER - YouTube

[Duncan]

Hey Duncan

Pendulum and Interactive Gear System, Connecting the dots. I may be completely wrong on how Raoul's device works, but FWIW.

I think Veljko Milkovic' - 2 Stage Oscillator does actually multiply energy, i have no doubt of this. When I strip down all things that don’t help the TSO’s produce power, it boiled down to the same thing that support F. M. Chalkalis" s(and even the Feltenberger Pendulum) claims of how his devise can multiply energy. Simply said just accelerating a descending bob under the influence of gravity. IMO the big difference between those two devices is that Milkovic's can give a greater COP & Chalkalis's should be able to produce more overall power (it can accept more input) if both are of similarly sized.

I am of the opinion that these Interactive Gear systems are simple a magnetic version of the "F. M. Chalkalis" energy multiplier device. And like F. M. Chalkalis device these Interactive GEARS will multiply energy better with fine tuning of the pulse input power. The timing of the input pulse has to coincide with the part of the rotation when the gears attracting. The input pulse should end before the magnetic resistance part of the rotation starts, for maximum COP. I also believe other things can optimize it’s effects, rotor diameter, magnet shapes, a flywheel with mass, especially at lower RPMs ...

If you have any cheap suggestions on how to build or buy a pulse controller it would be appreciated.
The math is over my head, i'll leave that to you and others.


F. M. Chalkalis" energy multiplier device
F.M.CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER - YouTube

Hi Roland I was very Interested in that clip and the reason isn't hard to see! Its big Its blue and its vertical! I'm sorry if the maths is a pain, Its not really maths rather the absence of maths that I am trying to describe but don't worry I'll be simplifying and going into working economical machines very soon as for the blue horizontal lines allow me to forward a possible explanation.
All of these video's have been taken under normal house lighting and so the light wave is travelling as a electromagnetic wave at well you guessed it light speed 186,000 miles per/sec or C Here is a lecture given by Mr Eric Dollard who believe me, I am delighted to see alive and well and on this forum! I’m afraid its just a Tad techy as he's entertaining Radio Ham's however please just tolerate the parts that are radio related. I would like you to particularly note a/ negative power is a linear wave , Its travelling much faster than light at 291000 miles per/sec Part 1 of 6: Eric Dollard Tesla Longitudinal wave Energy SBARC Ham Radio with Chris Carson - YouTube also note that spaceship windows have to be altered to give any sense of existence.
The next little bit of tosh Id like to Introduce you to is Fourier again you really don’t need to get to heavily involved (unless you want to) What is a Fourier Series? But he is 1basicaly saying if you add two frequencies F1 and F2 you end up with F1, F2 , F1+F2 and
F1-F2 I suspect that in the picture and video's I posted earlier and in this video the blue vertical line you see is F1 (the room lighting) – F2 (the negative energy flooding into the machine)
The resulting wave becomes visible. F1-F2
In short I have not doubt that these machines are harvesting huge amounts of energy. As further proof if you wear glasses smear them and look at a light you will see the light scattered radially,
Now go back to this video New Free Energy by George Mitchell - YouTube you will see that when a smudge on the camera lines up with a vertical line of power the diffusion is horizontal.
As for shifting the subject of the Thread that really is a no no Roland, this Thread is dedicated to to Donald Duck .. by all means open another post I have absolutely no doubt that machine is viable and working , you can see it is for reasons I have described.

[Duncan]

And so we start to enter the realm of working machines now you see Roland I enjoyed your video and I can see the machine is working and could of course be a variation of Bessler's wheel I guess. but I don’t see any detailed construction details, Method or maths available if there is just for interest please link to it..
However with this machine of Hatem lots have already been constructed over the last 50 years or so and so information is available. Although It must be said its all been done under the radar so to speak.
Let me draw on another bit of doggerel, because Leon has brilliantly side stepped the night mare of chaos by cancellation and emerged from the other side. He has come unerringly to the same picture as Leedskaline and Tesla (tomorrow is mine) but the Mathematicians are shouting Boohoo rotten cheat! Don’t worry Tesla went a different way and although my maths is poor I'll point you at it later.
In my head I visualise another world, another dimension if you will existing right next to us,In this world the magnetic pendulum would swing just as our simple pendulum does.
And the double pendulum would be quite symmetrical.
The reaction to mechanical change of direction and mathematical series are still there But they arrive in the most unexpected places in a strange guise. .
Now I'm directly quoting people who have built these machines and it transpires the % efficiency of the power transfer becomes extremely important In a perfect situation as described by Leon the power transfer through the system is

1 ½ ¼ 1/8th 1/16th et
In other words working backward if the alternator is in the 1/16th position and were supplying a 20KW load then the prime mover in position 1 would actually see 1/16 of 20Kw or 1.25 KW That of course assumes perfect magnetic transfer The actual practical tests not surprisingly show a somewhat different picture How to Build Your Own Free Energy Device / Generator – Hatem Magnetic Cogging Replication | How Free Energy Generator Systems Can Help You

I of course pondered where this efficiency actually becomes a deciding factor for instance were you to plug into the mains would the efficiency of the local substation become a factor?
Well it seems not, this energy flooding in is localised however the drive motor and first alternator become extremely important. Incidentally this is almost certainly why this system hasn't been extensively used before although Hatem tried and tested the system mechanically until the recent advent of highly efficient permanent magnet motors that could be speed controlled and very efficient permanent magnet alternators as used in windmills the machinery was not available to start the phenomenal energy gain chain, I can't explain why this should be at the moment It is just the experience of those who have purpose-built these things. Of course most builders will simply dig a motor out of the garage and start to build …. It wont work!! for Instance here is the alternator used on that proto -type Wind Blue Motor Hydro Permanent Magnet Alternator and this is typical of the motor .1/3 HP Motor Variable Speed Control Package FREE SHIP | eBay
As you can see both are highly efficient and expensive Machines, This coincidently is why PJK suggests that the Roto-verter be used because a/ Its extremely efficient and b/ easily fitted with speed control d/ It is like the Hatem machine best suited to a fixed load. However I don’t know of anyone who has yet tried the marriage. But Its certainly what I have in mind!
Perhaps you start to get a feel of this backward dimension where the input efficiency becomes paramount and the sequence still appears but strangely altered and reversed ?
Of course if you are considering building one of these machines you will no doubt be scouring the internet for information, I of course having studied all I can that’s freely available and having decided to start a build am more than happy to spend a few $ for information, particularly if that information is researched, after all a snippet of tested information can save an awful lot of time and money as you consider diving into the unknown! And so What’s available ? As I explained earlier the links and information have been butchered through this thread and so not surprisingly the first document I purchased were those that are indicated and quoted as a “gold plated guaranteed scam” at the start of the thread the document is 43 pages long compiled by Yannick Van Doorne
Although it is clear that Yannick is not a natural English speaker the document describes in detail the construction of the “Donald duck” machine also the suppliers of the machines used along with costings, It also transpires he is prepared to machine and supply the magnetic wheels here is is web site site Free Energy Power Generator you will see his “plans” cost $9 well if you intend to build how is $9 going to fit into the over all plan of things ?
There are also plans available on the “water4gas” web site http://www.water4gas.com/eBooks-DVDs/ you will see that $30 is the cost, of course I had to buy in order to catch sight ! I can tell you that all the information from the water4gas document is duplicated in Yannick's document and so if you can afford $9 buy yannick's offering it contains a lot more information. Yannick makes It very clear that he has spent a deal of time interviewing Leon, and has delivered the information to the other players in this game! Including George Mitchell.
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[Roland]

As for shifting the subject of the Thread that really is a no no Roland, this Thread is dedicated to to Donald Duck .. by all means open another post I have absolutely no doubt that machine is viable and working , you can see it is for reasons I have described.

We can disagree, but nothing i said was off subject. My point was they are all basically the same at there root.

[Duncan]

Hi Roland – sorry If my post sounded curt it wasn't meant to be off hand, I have downloaded the drawings for this machine and so far I haven't formed a clear picture of what Chakalis is doing here yet. I dare say that might alter if I go into the blog! I suppose like everybody that is confronted with something they know nothing about I tried to stick my head in the sand for a few moments and then kick the subject into the long grass..
Anyway Roland the fact that free energy is available is beyond doubt, what is so badly needed is

A/ A tried, tested repeatable way of producing it in large amounts.
B/ A mathematical explanation of how people are obtaining the energy

As for the source of this energy - mathematics giants and practical experiments have been seeking the answer for hundreds of years (and some have found it) I have no doubt that the base of these machines is of course “energy from the vacuum” we are desperately seeking and I doubt there are two or three and so of course the base is likely to be common.
Pulse generators Roland ….at some stage in alternative energy you will want an adjustable timed on or off pulse which you can adjust almost infinitely let me introduce you to the 555 timer It is probably the most common IC in the world and will cost you a few $ for a box full, 555 Timer/Oscillator Tutorial and when you have the gist of it any pulse of virtually any length can be made adjustable just as you wish.
I see that PJK also has a section dedicated to the 555 in his free energy book Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices - eBook Download meanwhile I'll go and try a more focused look at Mr Chakalis's machine

[MarkV]

yannicksonic is a con man

look at this :

yannicksonic's youtube magnetic gears overunity.

You know whats funny? Its that people believe in it before using the simplest tool to prove it which is "science" or "math".