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[ashtweth]

Chat: Gwen Gilson

the food you eat like we have said for years is contaminated, please choose organic (on the panacea site), check the link and find out, this is important info

regards
Ashtweth (trustee)

[sucahyo]

Well, I have relative that farming giant tiger prawn or something. The fish die young now because of pollution. No one knows the source of pollution since farmer already use poison for more than 20 years. Although they keep changing brand because each brand only effective for a year or two.

Since avoiding poisonous food is very hard and expensive I rather eat everything and never eat the same thing.

Based from my friend experience, organic farming can increase profit if done with care.

[ashtweth]

Carbendazim, Nonylchemol, Beta-bysluthrin, Methidathion, Trichlorson, Methoxysenozide and Endosulsan

Are used in your food, why eat it when you can eat organic?

[sciencisto]

inedia solution

One of the most efficient solutions, very positive on your health and on the economy and general spiritual state of life on the Earth:
Breatharianism, Living on Light, Inedia, Senman�a VivStilo, Niejedzenie

Once you become an inediate, all those things related to food, farming, poisons etc. do not relate to you any more. And you save tons of money too. And you become much more free.

Another solution is to stay far away of any civilized habitat and grow food for yourself. The are many such places in so called "third countries", where almost no industry is present and people have no need to put any poisons in soil or water, since nature over there is still strong enough to give your body what you need.
And, of course, if you eat, eat the real food, that is the one nature gives you, don't destroy it by cooking or other process.
There is only one being on the Earth that destroys their food by cooking -- guess who ...

[sucahyo]

Carbendazim, Nonylchemol, Beta-bysluthrin, Methidathion, Trichlorson, Methoxysenozide and Endosulsan

Are used in your food, why eat it when you can eat organic?

Sometimes we had no choice but to eat it. Not every country believe in the benefit of organic food. Also organic farming or not, they all use the same river here. Still think this is much better on environment than those who utilize deep earth water reserve in the name of organic farming. There is no guarantee that those organic farmer do not use fertilizer made with heat or iron contaminated material, which attract desease. I bet they use "organic certified pestiside" which just as poisonous as the usual. I doubt they will use japan's way of pesticide with acid water. Never heard it on organic farm website.

[ashtweth]

Vertical Farming
Look for the bio algae method its organic

[ashtweth]

given this, why dont people start to lobby to their government /faculties to adhere to these findings, the evidence is there, it seems we are needed to police this, biodynamical farming is the only way to preserve the earth let alone the health of people, the facts are there i think we just need public pressure

Ash

[Jbignes5]

Hmm great topic.

Ash the problem I see with this is that most of the organic grown food is twice the normal price. Especially in the states here. If one thought about this process one who naturally conclude that if one wanted to sell more and make everyone healthier that the price would need to be adjusted to a lower value then the current non organic food. This would make the field explode exponentially and ensure that our own eating habits returned to the natural process. But as usual the "factory" grown food as I like to put it is in fact more popular especially in harder to afford times because of the cheapness and amount of food being grown.
Until our society changes it's values you will always find it true that the "factory" way in our production of food will always trump the natural ways. Economics and the pure profit potential of organic food as it currently is grown and priced will always keep it out of the reach of the lay man.
If one wanted to make the natural ways more prevalent then all one would need is to lower the price of organics to make it cheaper then the masses of "factory" food available. That in my opinion is not a consumer fault.

[DrStiffler]

given this, why dont people start to lobby to their government /faculties to adhere to these findings, the evidence is there, it seems we are needed to police this, biodynamical farming is the only way to preserve the earth let alone the health of people, the facts are there i think we just need public pressure

Ash

@ashtweth

Do you truly feel this will work? Not here, its like weeds, pull one and two grow back. We need a herbicide to clean up the US mess.

The problem with organic is its a profit wheel under false pretense. The FDA gives little care to any product sold us and allows the inclusion of off label poison to now be added to our food. The so called "organic" sold here is iffy even if you drive to the farm to pick it up, you have no idea what the farmer used on it and he may also be in it only for the money.

After just getting back on my feet after 9 days of food poisoning, I will say a total house cleaning is needed not a false suggestion that organic is safer. It may well be elsewhere, not in the US.

I know what I had and where it came from, in fact I cultured the beast to insure what was happening to me and do you think anyone cares? The typical retort is, well we will note this, we have no other reports as yet. What a bunch of stooges these people are.

On the bright side, 9 days and lost 12 pounds.

[Jbignes5]

Omg

@ashtweth

Do you truly feel this will work? Not here, its like weeds, pull one and two grow back. We need a herbicide to clean up the US mess.

The problem with organic is its a profit wheel under false pretense. The FDA gives little care to any product sold us and allows the inclusion of off label poison to now be added to our food. The so called "organic" sold here is iffy even if you drive to the farm to pick it up, you have no idea what the farmer used on it and he may also be in it only for the money.

After just getting back on my feet after 9 days of food poisoning, I will say a total house cleaning is needed not a false suggestion that organic is safer. It may well be elsewhere, not in the US.

I know what I had and where it came from, in fact I cultured the beast to insure what was happening to me and do you think anyone cares? The typical retort is, well we will note this, we have no other reports as yet. What a bunch of stooges these people are.

On the bright side, 9 days and lost 12 pounds.

I do hope you are a-ok my friend. I wholly agree with you on your post. Besides growing it for yourself I have no way to check all the above mentioned.
The reaction you got from the "man" here in the US is about par. Nothing is gonna change that until we do the change. When we finally grab our right back and stop relying on others to do for us we will never know for sure what is in the process like you have talked about.

Stay well,
jbignes5

[theremart]

Going Organic.

I have been working toward doing this ( a good reason I went for my compost heap was to grow my own food )

I have found the cheapest way to go organic is to eat grains that are organic, ( Rice, oatmeal, wheat ), then flavor with meat or seasonings of your choice.

I watched the film "food inc" and I decided what they choose as safe is not my definition of safe. Slowly but surely I am working towards 100% food either organic or I know the source.

We are the test lab rats now.

[ewizard]

Dr. S, Sorry to hear your of your bout with food poisoning. It sucks. However food poisoning and the reaction our body has to it is usually bacterial infection of food and is totally different than the chemicals, pesticides and so on that contaminate our regular food. Those usually work slow to cause health problems and disease but rarely cause a reaction like you had unless there was an extreme overdose of something very toxic on a food item.

I have been using organic food for many years when possible and from my experience they are generally much safer than regular food. Organic farmers do not generally want to risk their reputation with being caught putting bad things on their food products. If you don't trust organic farmers you might consider sprouting your own organic beans from organic seeds. It's easy to do and very nutritious. I also think you might find some local organic farmers willing to let you take a look around to see they are doing things organically.

I strongly support eating organic foods and have found this movement has grown a lot in the last 10 to 15 years with organic products even showing up at WalMart. Yes many cost a little more but save you a lot in health care costs as well as feeling better. And most Americans could stand to eat a little less while paying a little more which would equal out to paying about the same, slimming down a bit and having more vibrant health.

[Aaron]

organic food

At my local stores, organic food is not that much more expensive than
non-organic. But seeing that IF it was properly grown, it could have much
more nutritional value so you are actually getting more nutrients for less
money when buying organic - IF it is properly grown with minerals added
to soil from rock dust or whatever.

Look at this (I'm quoting myself): "The food grown there in the past has leached all the minerals from the soil and they are never replaced in conventional farming. You could eat one apple in 1977 and get the same nutrients that you would get if you ate 7 (SEVEN) apples today on average!
This is for large-scale non-organic commercial farms of course.

That is based on 1992 statistics showing that farmlands are 85% depleted of micronutrients! Read this: Nutrient Depletion And that was 18 years ago!"


The USDA Organic certification is complete garbage. They allow a certain
percentage of non-organic substance in the food so the whole thing is a
scam.

Here is what is more important in the US when shopping for organic food.
Look for local tilth organizations such as Oregon Tilth certified organic.
That means, it is really organic without the garbage allowed in by the USDA.
It MAY have the USDA label but if it has the Oregon Tilth certification,
it actually is organic. If it is not certified by Oregon Tilth or something
similar, then your taking a stab in the dark.

Oregon Tilth is just one example:
Welcome to Oregon Tilth — Oregon Tilth

I used to own a supplement/organic food store and the customers usually
believe what the label says - if it has a usda organic label, they assume
that it is straight up organic, when it may not be.

One guideline is that there are companies that only have the usda organic
certification and they really are organic. You just have to know what
companies to trust. Large corporations jumping on the organic bandwagon
are a different story. They will get away with what they can.

Nano-colloidal bio soaps are the future of herbicide/pesticide, etc... they
can even kill nematodes and so on and when sprayed on produce, can
extend their shelf life quite a bit. At least I should say future of natural
herbicides, etc...

[DrStiffler]

I have been working toward doing this ( a good reason I went for my compost heap was to grow my own food )

I have found the cheapest way to go organic is to eat grains that are organic, ( Rice, oatmeal, wheat ), then flavor with meat or seasonings of your choice.

I watched the film "food inc" and I decided what they choose as safe is not my definition of safe. Slowly but surely I am working towards 100% food either organic or I know the source.

We are the test lab rats now.

Sadly now that the take over of health was passed, the next two major pieces will be like desert for the great brains of our nation. It will become "illegal" to grow your own garden, vitamins and other food supplements will be placed under the FDA and therefore be a profit center for Pharma from that point. Once Pharma takes over vitamins, lord only knows what they will contain.

@ewizard
My problem was bacterial and was caused by contamination to a fresh produce sold by a major company as organic (seems now their new organic products are so great they also fail to wash the dirt during harvest). If the initial bacterial are not removed at picking, they continue to multiply at extreme rates. I did say I cultured the little fellows! Anyway I hope its a heal from here on, now if I can avoid the Federal "Death Boards" that we all must attend every five years, I hope to return to the lab and finish my work.

[Matthew Jones]

Stifler said...Sadly now that the take over of health was passed, the next two major pieces will be like desert for the great brains of our nation. It will become "illegal" to grow your own garden, vitamins and other food supplements will be placed under the FDA and therefore be a profit center for Pharma from that point. Once Pharma takes over vitamins, lord only knows what they will contain.

Complete Rhetoric and BS!!! You won't put your money where your superstition is I am for sure of that.

No one is being stopped from growing there own food. Whole neighborhoods are using there Flower beds and any piece of land they can to grow community food. Its Encouraged.

The best and most effective pesticide if needed is Nicotine. It easy to grow low grade tobacco and boil to liquid. The liquid is safe and will not absorb into the plant. Kill's everything. Organic is easy. If you don't have land barder for an area to grow your own. If you have to shop at the super market send samples of meats and fish to the county or state labs for testing of Mercury and carcinogens. If they show up approach the store you shop at. At best you'll get a deal to keep your mouth shut. Most state and county governments have free testing, you may have to look for it.

There is alot of solutions as long you don't lock your self in some superstitious box and believe there is no hope for any good thing.

A smart man told one time if your house is on fire throw water on it, you never know what you'll save by trying.

Matt