One ring to rule them all

[Cherryman]

My last one, more visual.

YouTube - Eddy Current Tubes

Best Regards,
EgmQC

Tnx! Yep, lets harvest Eddy ;-)

[sucahyo]

I found this thread to be very valuable, keep up the good work and ideas .

[Cherryman]

Tnx sucahyo, I do my best.



Another Valve test, seems to work better.

Not perfect jet, but it enlarges my understandings.

The camera has a hard time ;-)


YouTube - Valve 5

[Cherryman]

In this test I attached two balloon's. The idea is that the grey balloon will fill up first, (Explosion valve directs it that way) and after that the valve immediately opens again.. and fills up the yellow balloon. (In the future there will be the passing magnet, which must be able to travel by without obstacles)

In the slow motion it looks like the concept is working. First Grey one blows up, after that the valve is open again and the yellow one pops up (Pressure equalizes)

YouTube - Valve 6

[Cherryman]

Eureka!

First test with shooting a little (foam) ball in the closed loop !

The hose it not that nicely shaped, so my little foam ball (no mass at all) gets stuck. But I'm quit happy with the progress!

YouTube - Go

[1NRG24Seven]

Hi Cherryman...I like your animations and your round chamber Idea here. It may be that you could eliminate the valve tho by simply introducing your blast stream from the outside coming into the tube directing the stream in the same direction you want the ball to be propelled in. This way it would create a vacuum and also serve to suck the ball towards it and push at the same time. There has to be an exhaust port also or the tube would simply blow a rip in it at its weakest point. Question is where to put the exhaust port. Im thinking the exhaust port should be nearest the entry stream and be spring loaded maybe so it has some resistance to the shock wave and then can close itself. exhaust should also be angled so air flow direction is natural for its escape.
Maybe the exhaust from one loop could power another loop then another for multiple layers of loops.

Loops could be made out of thin walled steel pipe and bent into a hoop easily using a tubing bender with roller forms to fit the pipe dia. then the tube could be welded shut using a collar around the tube at it ends so no welding material could reach the inside of the tube obstructing the balls movement. The steel tubing would be like the Iron core for the electro mag wire coils. It maybe that the steel would inhibit the magnetic balls so a stainless steel high in nickle should be used....but do not know if this would act as a magnetic shield or not...how about an epoxy reinforced kevlar tube then you could also laminate the coils to the tubing using the coils to strengthen the chamber, then you would have no metal interference with your magnets except the wanted effect of the copper coils. Just thinking out loud here.

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[Cherryman]

Hi 24,

Thinking out loud is good!

About the valve, I think the valve is needed, I agree you can direct the air the way you describe it. I tried it in the testing fase ( YouTube - HHO 14 ) But my guess is that the resistance of the magnet and the pick up coils will push the air in the easiest (opposite) way, or at least costs power and speed. The force with a good operating valve will be like the effect of a bullet! Nice!

I did fire a few projectiles already from my little setup. I'ts amazing to see the power from such a little explosion.

My goal is firing a 19mm round neo, it should be possible with this hose, but as seen it is not as nice round .

Tnx for the advice on materials. First i stick to the transparant hose, just to be able to see the effects. After that I will use those underground irrigation hoses.
Also a copper one will be in the project, i'm curious about that effect~!!

Anyway it's a fun build and i'm learning a lot!

[Cherryman]

After a few tests i think it is fair to say that a Hydroxygen explosion uses more air then it produces!

This video will demonstrate it:

YouTube - HHO 15

Conclusions so far:

- More air is needed then produced

After the explosion the balloon schrinks to a less size then before the explosion. So the explosion in a whole consumes more air then it delivers

- Hydroxygen is heavier then air!

The balloon is straight on to the cell. I let the cell become under pressure and fill the balloon. Still the "fire" of the explosion occurs just above the water. Not in the balloon.

So it seems that although HHO is lighter then air.. Hydroxygen gas seems heavier.

[1NRG24Seven]

Reason for that Cherryman may be because Hydrogen implodes then it explodes, at least according to some who work with browns gas type hydrogen.

Good Day!!
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[Cherryman]

Reason for that Cherryman may be because Hydrogen implodes then it explodes, at least according to some who work with browns gas type hydrogen.

Good Day!!
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Well that discussion is indeed going on in another treath, thats why i did post some PRACTICE results. I let them do the math

Do have to say that implosion is not the right word. The explosion is much faster then the "implosion" (or cooling air as some say) followed. The air balance afterwards "suggests" that the air needed exceeds the air produced.

[1NRG24Seven]

There ya go cherryman getting me thinking again too much.

What if you took your tube Idea with one or more magnetic balls and mounted to a bike wheel with coil around tubing and using a small electric motor spin the wheel at the right rpm to keep the ball from spinning with it. Being that those balls are heavy, one ball would stay close to the bottom of the hoop, and would not need much to spin the whole wheel and hoop and keep it in motion. That way no need for explosion or valves and would be a fairly simple build. You can buy clear acrylic PVC pipe and heat it up to bend it into a circle. Use a clear coupler to seal it or clear packing tape would be sufficient for a test run to see how much electricity would be produced with a set of coils and a neo ball. Just a thought. I am thinking the ball should be half the diameter of the inside of the tube so it does not have but little surface to contact with the hoop, if closer to the hoop size it might travel with the hoop using this configuration.

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[1NRG24Seven]

Once the acrylic type tube was heated to just the right temps your bike wheel would serve as your form....hmmmm

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[Cherryman]

There ya go cherryman getting me thinking again too much.

What if you took your tube Idea with one or more magnetic balls and mounted to a bike wheel with coil around tubing and using a small electric motor spin the wheel at the right rpm to keep the ball from spinning with it. Being that those balls are heavy, one ball would stay close to the bottom of the hoop, and would not need much to spin the whole wheel and hoop and keep it in motion. That way no need for explosion or valves and would be a fairly simple build. You can buy clear acrylic PVC pipe and heat it up to bend it into a circle. Use a clear coupler to seal it or clear packing tape would be sufficient for a test run to see how much electricity would be produced with a set of coils and a neo ball. Just a thought. I am thinking the ball should be half the diameter of the inside of the tube so it does not have but little surface to contact with the hoop, if closer to the hoop size it might travel with the hoop using this configuration.

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Haha 24 A little braintraining can do no harm ;-)

And about youre bikewheel setup..Perhaps it will work (better), some more ways are possible. Just use compressed air for example. You can get high speeds with that also. But...

I like my little explosions So i will stick for now with them.

I do hower think of making a straight version first (As in the first pic, page 1 in this topic) to test some principles.

[1NRG24Seven]

Using a 21" bike wheel your plastic tube will be 66 inches long, too big for a common oven. So was thinking if the tube had three strips of wood very thin strips and stuck to the tube with photo mount adhesive for easy removal, the tube could be placed inside a metal pipe to suspend it at the center, then using some quarts type heating element tubes you heat the length of pipe. maybe some pipe end caps with a small vent hole in it would be good...rotate the steel pipe for even heat distribution. acrylic needs about 275* F for about 15 minutes at 1/8th wall thickness to make it soft. This part would take some experimentation to get it all down just right for best results. You just do not want to over heat it and collapse your tube. If under heated a tad a heat gun would help to bend it to the bike wheel form.

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[1NRG24Seven]

Well if for no other reason this would serve to give you a closer Idea of how much electricity might be extracted before you begin the explosion method. The bike wheel build would be the basic test model.

On the same note:

by placing an additional attracting magnet on the outside near the hoop at the bottom it would serve to keep the magnet from moving with the hoop, then higher RPM's would be possible. RPM's that would closer match explosion velocities

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