Steorn is open -Panacea has a license

[ashtweth]

Hi Rod and ALL

I guess after all the dust has settled, the bottom line is that no matter what we are stuck with what has been put in front of us, and its going to take TIME till we can truly get to the bottom of the Steorn issue

I did re edit my post above,i guess being human like the next guy,we all feel frustrated at times, i think after this is initially over -We can think clearer and get on with the job. So you wont see any more "we should do this"or " they can do this"posts from me . I think we will just now get on with the job and get to the builds to find answers for all.

Regards
Ash

[bugler]

I am lost. What has happened regarding Steorn?

thanks.

[ashtweth]

Hi bugler/ALL

Guys Paul L sent me this. Thanks to Paul for helping.

Massive Steorn News – Phil’s last words «Global Free Energy Blog
After I analyzed Phil’s blog post, and saw that Phil’s measurements is *NOT* taking into consideration coil losses, I sent Phil another message telling Phil the details, which you can see in my post, Independent testing of ssOrbo is completed – my reply. Phil replied saying I was correct, that his measurements did *not* take into consideration coil losses. Phil wrote, “Yes there is energy lost in the coil, in the leads, in the diode in the solid state switch and maybe, just maybe when all added up will bow OU.” -End

I guess the heater application can resolve this issue once and for all. It will take some time to make and perfect tho guys,will work as fast as we can.

Ash

[sucahyo]

voltmeter may give wrong reading with radiant cricuit

Agree that it is best not to rely on meter for energy measurement. This video here show that a neon bulb lit at 1.8V......, the meter then show different value on different range
YouTube - Meter can be really unreliable measuring radiant circuit

On heating purposes, I don't think heat is correct indicator of energy, what if the circuit duty cycle is only 1%?

[arKzeRo]

Here is some interesting info STEORN update - Phil Watson update Steorn do not have a Gain in SS-Orbo.

[bugler]

So STEORN hasn't got OU after all?

OU seems to be the saint grail.

[kcarring]

Agree that it is best not to rely on meter for energy measurement. This video here show that a neon bulb lit at 1.8V......, the meter then show different value on different range
YouTube - Meter can be really unreliable measuring radiant circuit

On heating purposes, I don't think heat is correct indicator of energy, what if the circuit duty cycle is only 1%?

Thanks for this. I have witnessed this on my own experiments and blamed my gear or my own experience...

[Harvey]

So STEORN hasn't got OU after all?

OU seems to be the saint grail.

I wouldn't put it that way. Steorn claims that when all of the energy is accounted for (especially waste heat) they end up with OU.

Phil's tests simply showed that electrically he did not get OU, but his tests excluded any thermal quantification. Other testers could have different results both electrically and thermally.

[ashtweth]

Hi Harvey and ALL

Thats why i say build a heater and measure like we are

[toranarod]

Hi Ash
How is it all going Hope things are good. still looking at steorn
cheers Rod

[ashtweth]

Hi Rod and all

Yes always .We finished our board and are now just waiting for the coil info, cant say how long it will take but wont rest till done .

Ash

[tjnlsn255]

Ash,

Wait for what coil information?

If you are a member of the SKDB why do you have wait for any informaiton?

That is the whole point of the SKDB, right?

I am sorry but is seams to me that you are always waiting for something.

I will continue to hope and dream but this whole orbo thing is starting to feel a little off to me....

Hope I am wrong....

Tj

[ashtweth]

TJ, it is not as simple as you would like to think, we know we are there doing it. Sorry i dont have any tolerance or patience for these type of impatient and criticism posts any more,they are USELESS.

We are there and doing what we can, that should be obvious by now,assuming ,negative opinions and inpaitence does not help or make any difference. It does make us sick of you assuming , especially when getting asked for an update and questions about the SKBD which we legally cannot answer them. We will report as we have progress.

Things are not as simple as you think,.NEVER assume.We are doing the best we can for the info that's available to us. There is nothing more we can do TJ. Negative opinions of the SKBD and Steorn dont help anyone either.
It obvious whats wrong in there, we are not stupid, its nothing to do with us.

All as we can do is try and help them and work as fast as possible. I dont suggest people watch this thread if they are impatient,it will certainly frustrate them.

Thank you
Ashtweth

[tjnlsn255]

Hi Ash,

Thank you for making my point clear....

I always thought that you of all people would be the one to clear up all the mystery and make it exactly as it appears....

I do agree tha negative posts are a waist of valuable energy but after so much time and so much smoke and mirrors it must be time for me to move on to other projects......

I truely hope that you do eventually find a way to share your findings.....

Take care.....

Tj

[arKzeRo]

My question is not to be taken as a slur against the Stoern tech ok!

Q: Is there any point in continuing to spend time and money on this since many ppl have completed their replications and test's only to find no gains whatsoever

Or have these men done it all wrong and are the findings of other licensed experimenters wrong?

Just wondering what you guys think about for instance - Clanzers OU forum replications and tests?

Best Regards
Jay