Steorn is open -Panacea has a license

[ashtweth]

Awesome! Than you for your hard work Ash.



-Altrez

Thanks Altrez ,i appreciate those kind words my friend. The 2 boards will be useful to compare I/O,measuring heat and electricity should give us an accurate idea.

The thing is tho, this principle is VERY raw,in other words, its been paraded to be a workable solution, when in fact its the START of some thing and it needs development to get to where we need it. I guess Steorn gave the Eureka impression. Well i guess what i am saying is it needs help to get off the ground despite what ever impression Steorn gave,So i guess its back to the SKBD guys trying to do what we can . Sorry for the captain obvious post guys.

Ash

[scratchrobot]

Hi scratchrobot ,probably because people dont care for posts like yours. Good luck with them

Ash

Then why did you edit your post? Maybe you did care
I wish you also good luck on your projects

scratchrobot

[kcarring]

... when in fact its the START of some thing and it needs development to get to where we need it. I guess Steorn gave the Eureka impression.Ash

In a general sense without specifics, how "new" does it seem at this point. The more I read here, and the closer attention I pay to one expert opinion vs. another (be that the founders of alternatitive science or newer experts like John B., Peter L., Gray, Wiseman etc.) there is an uncanny resemblance in all of them that I see (and am told of) .. the ability to extract from the ambient/vacuum/whatever.. disconnected oscillating systems. Does the Steorn unit fall directly into this schema?

Thanks

[ashtweth]

Hi scratchrobot, kcarring and ALL

Personally ill be glad when we all get to the bottom of this,mean time i think its worth while focusing on promising stuff like the Lockridge Device and others . Looks like it going to be along haul of testing and extraction of info mean time sadly.

@kcarring, its very hard to tell with Steorn its a time variant(ATM flee power) principle,but we have never seen it loaded besides the resistor in the scope (SS version) ,i mean others are still trying to put this thing on an oscilloscope and tell more people they have it. WE are not,we are DIRECTLY making a heater,i think the only way to tell is to do that. Until then i am not sure

Ash

[Bobbotov]

Since this thread was started in April of last year and the highlights are a little confusing is it possible to list some of the milestone achievements that have occurred up to this point so we can get a sense of the progress Panacea has made to date?

Thanks in advance.

[ashtweth]

Hi Bobbotov Steorns add in the economist was years ago. Trust me no one will be glad to see the end of this beside me . Understand that April has nothing to do with us, The solid state version is currently being built by us,we are waiting for information to be forth coming,we are intent on building 2heaters.

Ash

[Bobbotov]

Hi Bobbotov Steorns add in the economist was years ago.

I know. August of 2006.

Trust me no one will be glad to see the end of this beside me

I am sure lots of people look forward to closure.

Understand that April has nothing to do with us,

Well, I was referring to this very thread that you had started back in April of last year where you said, "Guys Panacea got a sponsor and now has the solid state and rotational plans, its safe in our possession..."

I was just curious as the major milestones that you encountered since then til now. Since I think you had both the E-Orbo (rotational) and SS-Orbo (solid state) plans I thought it might be helpful to list the activities in a summary that you went through in doing analysis of the two systems and how you came to settle on the current plan of building a heater.

The solid state version is currently being built by us,we are waiting for information to be forth coming,we are intent on building 2heaters.

Ash

So, no plans on the E-Orbo at this point? Was any work done on that version
at all and if not are there plans to revisit it in the future? I know Phil Watson tested the SS-Orbo and did not find satisfactory results but he did seem to indicate a stronger feeling for the E-Orbo that was demonstrated at Waterways by Steorn and that he had provided favorable testimony for in a Steorn video.

Just trying to understand.

Thanks again.

[ashtweth]

Hi Bobbotov, yes there is nothing in an application as of yet and mixed results reported from Phil. I understand is all a bit hard to keep up with my friend.

I cant talk about the plans or tech probs sadly. But i believe the ss board version we have now will get to the bottom of this. We had tech problems with the E-orbo and since the E-orbo could not have run a load like the SS heater we intend to build, we thought its far more practical to just go onto the SS . Steorn have shown "flee power" and wave forms for years,i think its time we move on to a load.

We wanted to build a working application,the E-orbo could not have done that, well not in is as much capacity as the SS heater.Now we have 2 SS boards finished and are waiting for tests and coil info to build and test a heater and report. Sadly,we have no control over when we get this info . But will hang in there and get the job done regardless.

The 2 heaters will be measured, side by side.We did film a whole panacea production out of this and are still editing it ATM, it will have ideas and help to try and bring awareness/,conditions/ resolve to help FE/Steorn.

I hope to have some new news soon guys, i think this year will be the make or break for Steorn.

Regards
Ash

[ashtweth]

Guys , there will be a HUGE update from Steorn soon with GOOD news. And we will get access in the following weeks. Cant answer any more at this stage.

Ash

[alexandre]

I believe in what you're doing, Ash

Thank you and keep up the great work man. We'll get there when the time is right

God bless
Alex

[Phil_Watson]

No I didin't

Hi bugler/ALL

Guys Paul L sent me this. Thanks to Paul for helping.

Massive Steorn News – Phil’s last words «Global Free Energy Blog
After I analyzed Phil’s blog post, and saw that Phil’s measurements is *NOT* taking into consideration coil losses, I sent Phil another message telling Phil the details, which you can see in my post, Independent testing of ssOrbo is completed – my reply. Phil replied saying I was correct, that his measurements did *not* take into consideration coil losses. Phil wrote, “Yes there is energy lost in the coil, in the leads, in the diode in the solid state switch and maybe, just maybe when all added up will bow OU.” -End

I guess the heater application can resolve this issue once and for all. It will take some time to make and perfect tho guys,will work as fast as we can.

Ash

I don't know where this came from but I never said it. Just to put this to bed, using the Steorn method I got what appeared to be OU. Using a different method, i.e. measured the energy out in the same manner as the energy in. I didn't measure OU. Therefore no OU ever occurred in this circuit, it just appeared to, which is not the same thing ;-)

Phil Watson

[Harvey]

I don't know where this came from but I never said it. Just to put this to bed, using the Steorn method I got what appeared to be OU. Using a different method, i.e. measured the energy out in the same manner as the energy in. I didn't measure OU. Therefore no OU ever occurred in this circuit, it just appeared to, which is not the same thing ;-)

Phil Watson

Thanx Phil

It's good to hear directly from the source.

Would you agree that the difference between the two methods exposes a breakdown in Kirchhoff's Current Law? Or do you think this is simply a matter of not having the Voltage-Current phase angle accurately factored in on Steorn's method?

[ashtweth]

Hi Phil , Harvey and ALL

Thanks for clearing that up Phil and for your efforts so far, i hope you will join us in the latest experiments and help get to the bottom of this once and for all. Seems like heat measurement is going to be the only way to seal the deal.

And thanks Alex

Ash

[Bobbotov]

I don't know where this came from but I never said it. Just to put this to bed, using the Steorn method I got what appeared to be OU. Using a different method, i.e. measured the energy out in the same manner as the energy in. I didn't measure OU. Therefore no OU ever occurred in this circuit, it just appeared to, which is not the same thing ;-)

Phil Watson

Phil,

I am a little confused as to exactly what your position is on Steorn as you have given some conflicting statements. In your recent analysis of the solid state Orbo you clearly stated that there was no OU based on your measurements and yet in the video on the Steorn homepage (YouTube - Testing of the Orbo Evaluation and Development Unit) you state that there were gains clearly outside of measurement error. You also stated that the potential for Orbo is phenomenal and yet how can that be if no gains were found?

Also, in another previous Steorn video that you and two other engineers appeared in (YouTube - Engineers' view of Steorn's Orbo technology) you clearly stated that there was an energy gain. Now considering that your analysis of the SS-Orbo was backed up by data which you provided on your blog no such data was provided for the E-Orbo. How is it you can make these conflicting statements one of which does not show OU and has data to back it up and the other where you state there is a gain with no data to back it up.

So far there have been three different iterations of "Orbo," over the last four years to which Steorn claims the effect is present in all three and all three show OU. Not to throw the baby out with the bathwater but if one does not show OU does that not make the other two suspect?

Please clarify if possible.

Thanks in advance.

[ashtweth]

Hi ALL

Simplified, Steorn had a solid state board that was measured on a scope and engineers where there to confirm. Then Phil did an independent rep of the SS, his results were published, now there is another Version from Steorn in response to Phils data PERFORMING REAL WORK (not scopes) in a heater experiment which we all will all try ASAP .

Phil's tests are still relative, we need an application working before we say to the world that we have FE. Sorry Steorn. If your heater performs, then you have FE this is the best time to go public, if you dont, what do you really have? We are building to help.


Ash