Steorn is open -Panacea has a license

[Aromaz]

@All:

In the field of alternative energy there are two pillars of FRAUD standing
above all and everyone celse:

John Searl and Steorn (ORBO) Technologies.

Both time 'releases' and demonstrations very cleaverly; each time just
after or during end of some or other energy crisis. Now it is BP.

Soon you can expect the Searl crowd also to make new announcements.

All goes about research funding: Fundin that is the easiest to disappear with
no provable results.

[ewizard]

@All:

In the field of alternative energy there are two pillars of FRAUD standing
above all and everyone celse:

John Searl and Steorn (ORBO) Technologies.

Both time 'releases' and demonstrations very cleaverly; each time just
after or during end of some or other energy crisis. Now it is BP.

Soon you can expect the Searl crowd also to make new announcements.

All goes about research funding: Fundin that is the easiest to disappear with
no provable results.

Not to dispute about Searl as I don't know but if I was Steorn and needed funding then it would certainly be a smart business move to put something out at this time. That IMO does not equate to fraud. I think lets give Panacea a chance to prove whether this works before throwing around accusations of fraud.

[jibbguy]

I would have to respectfully disagree a bit with the list there too (lol i bet we all here have differing opinions on this subject ).

WITTS/Thrapp has got to be the worst we have seen in recent years, imo worse than nearly any others (even such as one famous person with the initials "D.L.")... whom could possibly be termed simply "wrong and deluded", as we can't accurately judge them on their motives without looking into their hearts.

WITTS, on the other hand, by the nature of their absurd and totally outrageous claims, cannot be called simply "deluded"... Either the ridiculous-sounding claims are "all true" (...and most will agree that "chance" has "super lotto" odds lol), or they are deliberate scammers. Personally, as i have stated numerous times on our Free Energy Facebook Group, i am convinced they are not only "scammers", but they are professionally-done psy-ops either being run by the government directly, or by an energy corporation... as a "straw man" designed to try and discredit the entire genre by inference. And they are not the only one in this category, not by a long shot (the "magniworks" scam for selling magnet motor plans being another).

Imo, some others being discussed here recently are most probably in that category as well... but i will not name them yet without more to back these beliefs. However, it does not hurt ONE BIT for us to be aware of the possibilities of being scammed, and that these scams may also be deliberate psy-op "games":

What ever critical and skeptical views we may bring to the table, they are nothing to what professional shills could do to attack a legitimate technology when it really matters So if someone feels their tech is wrongly attacked, they should use it as an opportunity to address the concerns NOW, which will smooth their chances of making it to market successfully later. Because, whether concerned and honest people here attack it, or naysayers and paid shills do later.. Rest assured it WILL be attacked, lol.

Regarding Dr. Searle's work, there was some evidence for the claims from back in 1966 (several witnesses, photos)... Since then, i have seen nothing of significance to back them (and that includes the DVD they are selling). I really don't know if it is "for real" or not.

I do know that "anti-gravity" is THE most suppressed and "dangerous" topic there is in FE... It's the ultimate "brass ring", as it not only represents quantum leaps in transportation, but represents "free energy" as well (and of course has vast military importance)..... And it would certainly be worth the suppressors' time and money to play "games" to distract, de-rail, and confuse us on it using any method they can get away with.

Frankly, when "choosing battles to fight", i generally stay away from anti-gravity (and only use it as an examples of suppression existing)... For all i know, the dangers of it are quite real. And there are known safe free energy technologies that can be talked about for creating greater public awareness and pursuing instead.... That could only be used in military situations to make EXISTING weapon systems a bit more efficient (such as the US now building all-Hydrogen powered Aerial Drones, instead of burning kerosene jet fuel)... That doesn't "count" as a legitimate "danger", and represents no inherent NEW danger to anyone: It is TRUE that innocent Pakistani civilians have been killed illegally by US missile-armed remote control aerial Drones breaking International Airspace Laws....

But it is not the fault of Hydrogen technology, or even conventional turbine technology... It is the fault of the sociopaths who wield the weapons.

[ashtweth]

@All:

In the field of alternative energy there are two pillars of FRAUD standing
above all and everyone celse:

John Searl and Steorn (ORBO) Technologies.

Both time 'releases' and demonstrations very cleaverly; each time just
after or during end of some or other energy crisis. Now it is BP.

Soon you can expect the Searl crowd also to make new announcements.

All goes about research funding: Fundin that is the easiest to disappear with
no provable results.

The only way to prove that about Steon is to build it and test it like we are

[Bodhi]

Not Fraud, Desperate Weak Only

@All:

In the field of alternative energy there are two pillars of FRAUD standing
above all and everyone celse:

John Searl and Steorn (ORBO) Technologies.

Both time 'releases' and demonstrations very cleaverly; each time just
after or during end of some or other energy crisis. Now it is BP.

Soon you can expect the Searl crowd also to make new announcements.

All goes about research funding: Fundin that is the easiest to disappear with
no provable results.

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Dear Aromaz,

Steorn is not fraud. Steorn 7 years back discovered very, very tiny anomalies in magnetism.

Countless delays at Steorn is only result from basic problem:

All ORBOs was DESPERATE WEAK. Not practically useful.

[Mark]

Hi renaud, we should have our tests reported in 28 days

Ash

Ok Ash its been 28 days, have anything to report now.

[ashtweth]

Kit has not arrived yet my friend should be here in 2 weeks, delays are not ours

[Aromaz]

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Dear Aromaz,
Steorn is not fraud. Steorn 7 years back discovered very, very tiny anomalies in magnetism.
Countless delays at Steorn is only result from basic problem:
All ORBOs was DESPERATE WEAK. Not practically useful.

Not only withtheir technology; but more so in their claims, presentations
and financial s.

However, time has told and time will tell again. I hope Ashtweth will get something for his money. Many people were not event that fortunate.

[Bodhi]

STEORN is TIME VARIANT COMPANY

Kit has not arrived yet my friend should be here in 2 weeks, delays are not ours

Folks, Cool,

as all knows: STEORN is TIME VARIANT COMPANY

[Web000x]

Folks, Cool,

as all knows: STEORN is TIME VARIANT COMPANY

I sure hope you're right as WE NEED this technology NOW!!! Shut down BP and restore the world.

Dave

[Bodhi]

I sure hope you're right as WE NEED this technology NOW!!! Shut down BP and restore the world.

Dave

Even Mr. S.McCarthy once stated, that cars eith ORBO will be reality 7 years after "start of commercialization", chemical industries is consumming cca 25% of oil production, so for some years we will need BP and others monsters.

[Mr.Whip]

Steorn Orbo

Hello Ash. You guys are going to have to let us know once you get one built. how it preformed for you. I hope its not just a modified Bedini with Toriod coils. Looks a lot like Johns stuff to me. Watched a lot of the videos on the Steorn's. Looking forward for more. I all ready have a dozen different battery charger energizers I wouldn't want to spend that kinda money for another. But I would like to get one of Johns, Tesla's chargers.LOL: Thanks for all your input. Randy

[Bodhi]

2 more years of development is needed

Hello Ash. You guys are going to have to let us know once you get one built. how it preformed for you. I hope its not just a modified Bedini with Toriod coils. Looks a lot like Johns stuff to me. Watched a lot of the videos on the Steorn's. Looking forward for more. I all ready have a dozen different battery charger energizers I wouldn't want to spend that kinda money for another. But I would like to get one of Johns, Tesla's chargers.LOL: Thanks for all your input. Randy

Unfortunatelly, CEO of Steorn just stated, they will have a "mobile phone Chargers" after more TWO years of development"

He publicly stated in April 2007, that ORBO has power density 0,5 Watt/per ccm, so when You have power density 0,5 Watt/per ccm, You can't develop universal (home) power (electric) generator.

Made in Steornish logic

‘Free’ energy firm to make over €2m this year | The Post

[witsend]

Frankly I'm delighted to read the success of Steorn. At least they're getting to the commercialisation of this device. I'ts what we all need. Roll on Steorn. Without actual applications we'll simply get nowhere. To my mind it takes enormous courage to progress this as they've done - in the full public eye - and with absolute transparency. The level of the attack they're under is, in my mind, also a level of the effectiveness of this device. A wise lady sent me this quote.

Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized. In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is violently opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

So a measure of the 'attack' is also directly proportionate to the effectiveness of their technology - in my book. Roll on stage 3. Can't wait to hear about your results there Ash. I take it that you'll have a device to show 'proof of concept' rather than a full on application. Or is it simply a question of scaling it?

And that they're going 'commercial' is, in itself, a really good thing. That way other interested parties will eventually wrap their minds around this.

[jibbguy]

The importance of Steorn is not the actual utility of the device itself.

It is part of the "breaking of the ice": A free energy device publicly displayed and being marketed... That withstands any debunking attempts, and cannot be ignored.

It and others could be the "paradigm breaker" that makes continuing to deny the existence of these things sound too ridiculous and stupid... even for them

And that is more important than it may sound at first. When there are no more barriers for our major universities to openly study these things, no more excuses not to, when plausible deniability is destroyed... THEY WILL FINALLY COME OUT from the dark and be available to us all.

Even the wholly-controlled corporate-owned media will be forced to report on them: Because in the end they are cowards... who know they are guilty and could easily be proved to be... and eventually won't take the risk to stay quiet any more.

Then, it's all over for oil and coal.

Here is their "problem":

> They have gotten away with suppression for decades... Even a century.

> How do they now admit they were totally wrong, and go ahead with Disclosure of FE, without it looking blatantly suspicious.. Even going to prison?

What we are seeing in these last two years is their "solution". It is to sloooowly bring these things out one at a time; in a way that precludes more study by universities... Until they are eventually forced to allow more study by the inertia of the new "discoveries". "Coincidentally", their buddies in energy corporations are still making literally Trillions in profits while this slow release goes on. While the releases slowly come to schedule, others (like we see in these forums), continue to do what ever they can get away with to attempt to stop "unauthorized" releases.

Because they all understand this: That open University study of the things we have been calling for to properly be studied, ENDS THE REIGN OF OIL AND COAL. Flat ends them; in 2 or 3 years; as soon as the world can tool-up to manufacture the new technologies. Because the universities will confirm what we here have been saying about these technologies... and free energy will be a reality, not a dream.

But there is "danger" in this plan... the "wildcard" here is what they cannot control. If it gets away from them, if the Release is too fast... then the questions with no plausible answers get asked... and someone has to go down for it.

Like the CEO of General Electric (...when Billions in Consumer Sales are lost from the news that they are really a gang of suppressing sociopaths). Or the former and present heads of government agencies and other bureaucrats, when it is found that they actively worked to help suppress clean, cheap and SAFE technologies to help their corporate paymasters maintain their marketing positions and power. Or the corporate officers of the energy corps... When further investigation finally breaks what 30 minutes of internet search can reveal: That they clearly, routinely, and illegally control the energy commodities markets; and thus also manipulate public stock as well... On a scale so huge, it makes Madoff look like a guy selling bad hot dogs on the street.

Nobody involved wants to go to jail over this stuff, i am sure than in their own minds, they think it was OK and justified because "every one else was doing it".. lol that doesn't work for teenagers, it wont work for them

So there is much more to all this than a little spinning disk encased in transparent plastic. It is the eventual ending of the energy giants' illegal monopolies (including the "public electrical utilities" that are really nearly all privately held corporations in the US, whose stocks are ALWAYS the "bluest" of the "blue chips", even in times of recession). The ending of long-held and long-taught false scientific principals and theories; that once made obvious by events, look as though they should have been discarded DECADES ago (lol the embarrassment to the mainstream scientific community will be HUGE, and many of the "leaders" of it are toast when the Truth comes out, and they are smart enough to know it ).

In essence, it will be the ending of a vast amount of control over nearly aspect of our society regarding the topic "energy".

And it IS coming... no matter how they try to slow it down. This is like a flat board with hundreds of marbles on it... tilt the board up on one side, and the marbles start rolling. How many marbles can you grab before they all slide off?

... Not enough