Steorn is open -Panacea has a license

[ewizard]

Thanks for the update. I'm not looking to plop down money yet (don't really have it right now anyway) but just trying to understand what those who would want to use this in their home might need to do and what it would cost beside the materials and construction costs (materials and construction I will assume for myself would be reasonable with all the things I have built and the knack I've acquired for sourcing materials). So I'm just trying to understand what a person wanting this for his own use would be required to pay Steorn - a one time license or a yearly fee? Sorry if this has been stated but I'm not clear about that yet.
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My own update - see if this sounds right since I visited Steorn's site. You can build your own but not commercialize it. In order to know how you to build it you need to pay Steorn the €419 or maybe through osmosis the info on how to build one will become decipherable here at some point?? At least I think I've convinced myself there is no annual payment to be required once you've built one.
Am I getting warm now?

[juju]

hmm

* Full Annual Membership and License coverage necessary to freely develop Orbo technology

Annual License and Membership fee €419.00 inclusive of VAT (where applicable)

i think this means that if you want a orbo device powering your home, or your electric car you will have to pay €419 every year, plus the price to build the device. The question is, how many devices are allowed per license?

my electric bill is near €600/year, so i will be saving my pocket and my carbon footprint. But i think is an abusive price, and how about the the third world country's? they will never have money to enhance their quality of life.

this will not solve the world problems, only the steorn problems (money)! they are a coompany, only concern about themselves and profit, nor about the people ore neither the planet!

[ashtweth]

You can end the license fee when ever you want, Steorn was never going to open source guys, they have still have provided the lowest cost to get access so far, so its always been about finding out what they have and working with them for a higher purpose, lets see if they can change their mind down the track and help others.

Am working on it.

Ash

[tjnlsn255]

Ash,

If you have any influence with Steorn my suggestion would be for them to just lower the price to register to say $219 EU and then a LOT more people would sign up.... it is a LOT easier to come up with $300 US than $600...

I really look forward to all the info/results of the builds and tests.....

The world would be a much better place if individual homes could make their own electricity.....

The self powered water pump is not such a far fetched idea either.....

Hopes and Dreams.....

Tj

[boguslaw]

It is a try to commercialize free energy before oil will end.I'm sure some big oil buissenss is hidden behind Steorn. They are now testing people ability to buy free energy only from legal source

[gmeast]

as usual

Well, well, well,

Why did I NOT see this coming? The ONLY champion of open source I had seen ... EVER ... has now joined the ranks of the "NOW WE KNOW BUT CAN'T TELL" club. ".....we got a Sponsor $$$$$..."

I known one thing, STILL no one has shown a true OU device anywhere, anytime. I am sure even John Bedini still pays a regular electric bill every month.

I also know this. In the early 2000's I installed PV solar. One installation was on my brother's house. He used to pay over $240/mo and the bill is now $79/YEAR. I also designed and installed half a dozen 'stand-alone' systems ... they are energy independent. Wind, PV, Thermal, Wave, Tidal, Hydro, Smart Design are things we can do NOW and have had that ability to do so for DECADES.

As far as anything NEW goes, I'm placing my bets on LENR, Cold Fusion, CANR or whatever you want to call it. This technology is producible in a jar and produces power on the levels beneficial to a 'person', personally beneficial ... that of heating and lighting an environment.

Bye,

Whoever

[teslaproject]

But what can it do?

Hi All, I am looking forward to be able to give every one good news, there is no way i am gonna charge any one for any thing . I guess for most its about what the device can do and what sort of applicators are possible, we will make both the solid state and rotational one seen at the open house.

I have seen EVERY ONES version of the Orbo on the net, surprise its missing some thing, so guess i better make this thing and post and see what it can do for ALL like Ted said.

Be good if we had the Panacea research center where devices could not be faked , and could be secure in the public eye, we have said that for years
Steorn

@tjnlsn255, it means we can design a home power unit and give it away free on the Orbo forum, so its still PARTLY open source but only to the Orbo registration, maybe i can talk to them about giving it away after they recover their initial investment etc etc, ill do my best to influence them to go down the Panacea road

Rose,Aaron, Harvey and Glen lead by example
Its an honor to be looked at a validation authority on it, i guess that's a big part of free energy and again the open source community your panacea is doing that.

@ juju, not sure my friend, we will try our best to get it done ASAP, thing is Panacea is the community, if we could share this we would have it built OVERNIGHT, sadly only the trustee's can build so its gonna be longer than normal

Ash

Hi mate, how's things?

I for one am skeptical yet open minded. I have heard various things about Steorn and whilst I hope they have the real deal and it is as simple as Ash indicates, something does not sit right at this stage. The whole testing process and display of technology up to this point has failed to prove that it can deliver OU sufficient of driving a 'mass' to produce ample power to drive household loads. It's one thing (and no small feat) to achieve OU of 1.0000000000001 or greater enough to perpetuate the circuit (magnet flywheel/whatever) into ticking over and quite another to produce a device that rips energy from the Aether so as to drive a load also.

Whenever I hear of companies asking for "license fees to further the technology", alarm bells go off in my head and tell me they may as well be 1000 miles from the end game or an outright con. One thing is for sure, people that TRULY have OU do not sell/lic the golden goose for a few measely bucks.

Close, no cigar and maybe dying of cancer. Use your common sense.

TP

[jibbguy]

Thanks for springing for the cash for us all, M8. Here is another reason why Panacea is the BEST of the NFP groups out there doing this: THEY ACTUALLY DO STUFF, not just spend all their time asking for money and never showing anything "real" for it.

I think it is important for us to understand, that no "concepts" this big can be totally "locked up" via any possible Agreements, Patents, or Copyrights.

There are simply far too many "parallel applications", too many variant possibilities in design, too many similar & related "effects", too many ways to get around it all.

Steorn knows this too of course

They are not going to go after Replicators: That would be futile anyway; as we can reverse-engineer and build any damn thing we like... and no stinkin' corporate lawyer can do a thing about it: Until we try to profit personally from it, that is.

And i strongly suspect the folks at Steorn also realize... that independent replications and verifications will be invaluable to their gaining increased Credibility.

These are not "juicers" or "water filters" here... There is nothing less than the future of this Planet at stake. A little Patent-related "Anarchy" is warranted and certainly morally justifiable. When they FOLLOW THE LAW and let these things reach market unmolested the same as a "juicer" or "water filter".... then we can play by their "rules" too

[Harvey]

Ash,

It will be an uphill climb but I think it has merit.

Has everyone seen the Orbonbon? It predates the 2SGen
which, unless I'm mistaken, predates the Steorn SS stuff.

[digitz]

I think i've read somewhere Bedini say that Steorn was derived or made from his stuff from 1984.

[gmeast]

of course

I think i've read somewhere Bedini say that Steorn was derived or made from his stuff from 1984.

Just like Joseph Newman, Bedini invented everything. Do either of these guys have a $0.00 monthly electric bill.

I followed both of these guys for many years. "build it and see for yourself ... it's free for all humanity..."

Charging a battery, documenting the charge power (not just energy - power being the rate at which energy is used, produced, etc.), then running a motor on that battery and blowing wind, while charging another battery with BEMF, while running some LEDs and then saying "hey look, overunity!!" is silly. For one, I have NEVER seen anyone measure "pulse energy" correctly (save use of the scopes during "Orbo"). All I see is people buying clamp-on current meters and saying "LOOK ... OU!"

These OU guys never answer questions directly. It's always cryptic. If they had anything, they would NOT be "DEAD", they would be RICH and would be HEROES to the the rest of the world.

Oh, and Mylow ... that fish line thing was an attempt at deception ... not "..do this or else..." by some MIB turds.

Can you tell I'm pissed. Well, no, I'm concerned about so many good people being lured into false hope.

[Harvey]

I think i've read somewhere Bedini say that Steorn was derived or made from his stuff from 1984.

I think it is more closely related to Peter L.'s attraction motors than John's stuff. But Steorn has posted on you-tube that the defining mark of their technology is related to neutralizing the CEMF in the magnet to coil transactions thus removing the negative torque associated with Lenz's law. This is why Steorn does not recognize many of the replication attempts as true Orbo technology.

I'm certain that Steorn went through a learning curve during this process and no doubt became aware of prior works and technology held in public domain including John's work. How much of that gathered information influenced where they are today, I can't say - but they have openly stated that they are in the business of intellectual property licensing, not manufacturing. Therefore, they must hold the IP rights to something that no one else has in order to profit from it along their company structure.

[digitz]

I think it is more closely related to Peter L.'s attraction motors than John's stuff. But Steorn has posted on you-tube that the defining mark of their technology is related to neutralizing the CEMF in the magnet to coil transactions thus removing the negative torque associated with Lenz's law. This is why Steorn does not recognize many of the replication attempts as true Orbo technology.

I'm certain that Steorn went through a learning curve during this process and no doubt became aware of prior works and technology held in public domain including John's work. How much of that gathered information influenced where they are today, I can't say - but they have openly stated that they are in the business of intellectual property licensing, not manufacturing. Therefore, they must hold the IP rights to something that no one else has in order to profit from it along their company structure.

I haven't followed that steorn tech too closely, but all those works are certainly influenced by each other.

Just like Joseph Newman, Bedini invented everything. Do either of these guys have a $0.00 monthly electric bill.

I followed both of these guys for many years. "build it and see for yourself ... it's free for all humanity..."

Charging a battery, documenting the charge power (not just energy - power being the rate at which energy is used, produced, etc.), then running a motor on that battery and blowing wind, while charging another battery with BEMF, while running some LEDs and then saying "hey look, overunity!!" is silly. For one, I have NEVER seen anyone measure "pulse energy" correctly (save use of the scopes during "Orbo"). All I see is people buying clamp-on current meters and saying "LOOK ... OU!"

These OU guys never answer questions directly. It's always cryptic. If they had anything, they would NOT be "DEAD", they would be RICH and would be HEROES to the the rest of the world.

Oh, and Mylow ... that fish line thing was an attempt at deception ... not "..do this or else..." by some MIB turds.

Can you tell I'm pissed. Well, no, I'm concerned about so many good people being lured into false hope.

You seem in fact, it makes good from time to time.

I don't know these guys electric bill or revenue, do you ?

From what i know, Mylow got only 15 mn of fame.

[carbideTip]

Just like Joseph Newman, Bedini invented everything. Do either of these guys have a $0.00 monthly electric bill.

I followed both of these guys for many years. "build it and see for yourself ... it's free for all humanity..."

Charging a battery, documenting the charge power (not just energy - power being the rate at which energy is used, produced, etc.), then running a motor on that battery and blowing wind, while charging another battery with BEMF, while running some LEDs and then saying "hey look, overunity!!" is silly. For one, I have NEVER seen anyone measure "pulse energy" correctly (save use of the scopes during "Orbo"). All I see is people buying clamp-on current meters and saying "LOOK ... OU!"

These OU guys never answer questions directly. It's always cryptic. If they had anything, they would NOT be "DEAD", they would be RICH and would be HEROES to the the rest of the world.

Oh, and Mylow ... that fish line thing was an attempt at deception ... not "..do this or else..." by some MIB turds.

Can you tell I'm pissed. Well, no, I'm concerned about so many good people being lured into false hope.

Bingo.....

[gmeast]

Bingo

Bingo.....

Yep, Thanks,

Greg