Steorn is open -Panacea has a license

[toranarod]

very excited about the Steorn

Hello to all
Thanks for the introduction.

working hard as usual I see Ash.

Yes we are all very excited about the Steorn

cheers Rod

[tjnlsn255]

Wow.... time flys when you are having fun or patiently waiting ......

Ash,

Any idea when we will be getting our next Orbo update... it has been a while?

Happy New Year!

Tj

[ashtweth]

Hi Tj ad ALL. HAPPY NEW YEAR. No matter what happened last year we all now get to draw a line underneath it and start FRESH. There is new hope and opportunity in the new year and may all be well. Looking forward to working hard in 2011. Best wishes to all

We are still working soldering the SS board over the Christmas break as announced my friend nothing new till its finished and tested . We are going for a heater application as its the quickest.

Ash

[tjnlsn255]

Ash,

What ever happened to the e-Orbo video?

Why was it never posted?

Hopes and Dreams....

Tj

[ashtweth]

Hi TJ/ALL

It will be in the main production my friend along with our heater tests of the solid state board. But we will report our results before the production as promised .

Ash

[ashtweth]

Guys our very own Sean (open source engineer clanzer)has given me a PM to say an independent SS test has been successful. Wont spoil the details check it out Divert

we did get results that appeared to demonstrate OU

Look for the Phil Watson update,Phil is a member of the SKBD who has been featured in their video's over the years. Looks like our soldering is finally done just need to wind and tune the coils now. I admire Phil,it took a lot of time to get this tests done,this thing takes time

Ash

[RedRightHand]

Correction!

Guys our very own Sean (open source engineer clanzer)has given me a PM to say an independent SS test has been successful. Wont spoil the details check it out Divert

we did get results that appeared to demonstrate OU

Look for the Phil Watson update,Phil is a member of the SKBD who has been featured in their video's over the years. Looks like our soldering is finally done just need to wind and tune the coils now. I admire Phil,it took a lot of time to get this tests done,this thing takes time

Ash

I am a little confused here Ash,

When you go read the post from Phil he very clearly (for the electrically minded) states that the orbo effect is basically a measurement error.

The Full Quote Here: (BTW Very creative editing Ash!)

"Unfortunately we were unable to replicate Over Unity (OU). Using Steorn’s measurement technique we did get results that appeared to demonstrate OU. However, we cannot agree that their measurement technique is valid."


His Conclusion:
"Unfortunately the Steorn method uses Orbo (green trace) current through the load and not the actual load current.

Given this we feel that the V.I result above are more representative of energies in the circuit. Applying Occam’s razor it would appear that the device is not demonstrating over unity."


Orbo Score thus far:-
So that's 1 independent saying it doesn't work and 0 that say it does work.

I look forward to your results Ash!

Red

[ashtweth]

Hi Red, Phil says Steorns measurement method that he tested did not show any thing significant- But NOT HIS,he has some thing which HE reported in HIS version

Direct Quote -we did get results that appeared to demonstrate OU. However, we cannot agree that their measurement technique is valid. This is the way i understand it. Its a little early to tell any how.

BTW here is the link to Phil's blog i think
our blog

I still think the best thing to do is build a heater or any application THEN measure it. Forget scopes i think we are past that.

Ash

[toranarod]

Hi Ash
looking forward to more information.
I felt it was not going to be all that simple, something I leaned from my own work.
very interesting pleases keep us up to date.
still fighting the good fight
cheers Rod

[Mark]

Hey Ash

I think your reading it wrong, here is a copied section from the link:

"Unfortunately we were unable to replicate Over Unity (OU). Using Steorn’s measurement technique we did get results that appeared to demonstrate OU. However, we cannot agree that their measurement technique is valid. Other teams may publish different results and if we have made an error in our methods then we will re-evaluate our tests."

I read this as using Stoern's measurement technique which he feels is invalid. Using HIS measurement technique he found NO OVERUNITY.

I though this was suppose to be plug in play 3 to 1 overunity

[ashtweth]

Hi Mark, thats the Steorn evaluation board which 3 SKBD members have confirmed a 3-1 measurement. Its NOT AN APPLICATION JUST A BOARD TO PUT ON A SCOPE, OURS IS NOT That was in the Video, its plug in and play. Okay here is how the thread i got notified read:

"Unfortunately we were unable to replicate Over Unity (OU). Using Steorn’s measurement technique we did get results that appeared to demonstrate OU. .

This is how i understand it,ill try and find out as much as i can..

Ash

[Harvey]

Hi Ash,

I read the technical on Phil's Blog, the integration showed less energy out than in.

The appearance of OU was attributed to applying the wrong current value at the load. Apparently there are two different currents involved here but he does not specifically address the real issue.

Kirchhoff state's that the current around a closed loop must be the same every where and so it is easy to simply take a current reading anywhere in the loop and figure it applies to all components in the loop. So L1, the Load Resistor and the Diode should all be experiencing the same current.

However, as Professor Lewin so eloquently explains in this video YouTube - M.I.T.-Walter Lewin- Complete Breakdown of Intuition - Part1 there is a condition where Kirchhoff's Law simply breaks down and the loop can actually have two independent currents.

Here is a simple rule to keep in mind: If there is a dynamic magnetic field, then the field is no longer conservative.

What that means is that while the magnetic field is in transition, it is not conservative and Kirchhoff's Law does not apply. So we get two currents, one for the load and one for the inductor and they will not be equal.

The bottom line is, in order to know the output energy in the load, you must measure it at the load.

[ashtweth]

Hi Harvey! Well its about time my teacher came in and commented LOL Thanks Bro. I think that this is for Steorn's measurement method?,he still reports OU????

I Read it wrong maybe"? ...why state "we have seen OU" hmmm .perhaps he should OF worded it better?

we did get results that appeared to demonstrate OU.
Looks like it is too early to tell

Harvey,when we are done winding our coils FOR THE HEATER SS.. AS i know your a SKBD member i AM pretty sure Andrew will PM you Bro ..AND for the record ..Harvey you and Glen ARE open source engineers i can TRUST.

Ash

[ashtweth]

bump just ENCASE ANY MISSED THE EDITS

[toranarod]

You know. I don’t know what to believe any more?
I have been working with electrical theory for 20 years
I am a believer in things like Kirchhoff's current law, Lenz law, Ohms law.
Ever since I witnessed cold current reversal and other things I can not calculate based on standard theory. Well not easily anyway. A new approach is needed.
We just need to work through theses new ideas. We will get there.