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[kcarring]

Walter Rosenthal

Ash,

I'm quite sure I'm wasting my breath and if I am I apologize but i wonder if you've viewed Energy From The Vacuum #15 with Walter Rosenthal. It most certainly would be crucial for anyone in the business of determining OU, or not... pretty amazing documentary.

Thanks
Keep up the fantastic work
Great write up in the magazine BTW, read that! Well put. You even look rested and in the pic.

Cheers

[Phil_Watson]

SSOrbo results

Phil,

I am a little confused as to exactly what your position is on Steorn as you have given some conflicting statements. In your recent analysis of the solid state Orbo you clearly stated that there was no OU based on your measurements and yet in the video on the Steorn homepage (YouTube - Testing of the Orbo Evaluation and Development Unit) you state that there were gains clearly outside of measurement error. You also stated that the potential for Orbo is phenomenal and yet how can that be if no gains were found?

Also, in another previous Steorn video that you and two other engineers appeared in (YouTube - Engineers' view of Steorn's Orbo technology) you clearly stated that there was an energy gain. Now considering that your analysis of the SS-Orbo was backed up by data which you provided on your blog no such data was provided for the E-Orbo. How is it you can make these conflicting statements one of which does not show OU and has data to back it up and the other where you state there is a gain with no data to back it up.

So far there have been three different iterations of "Orbo," over the last four years to which Steorn claims the effect is present in all three and all three show OU. Not to throw the baby out with the bathwater but if one does not show OU does that not make the other two suspect?

Please clarify if possible.

Thanks in advance.

I will try and clarify, the first variant that I had personal experience of was the permanent magnet torque experiment. This was more a physics lab type of experiment. It focused on measuring toruque produced by the asymetric fields. Whilst it was very useful to demonstrate the McCarthy effect, it was far from a device that could actual be used to produce energy. This is the experiment to which I refer to in my first video.

The next device was the eOrbo which tried to harness the above affect, I carried out some limited tests in Dublin and it seemed very promising. I was to be given a unit to allow me independently test however before that happened Steorn changed direction. The first (of many) SS Orbos arrived, I was sent versions of (nearly) all these. The biggest problem was that, in order to trigger the effect, huge quantities of energy were being used. I recall one experiment where we had to supply 18W to measure an apparent gain on 1mW. This was certainly within measurement error.

Now to my last video. The most recent SSOrbo that I worked on and the subject of in my blog, was demonstrated to me in Steorn, I carried out some initial tests and the gain appeared to be HUGE. Unlike 18W in for 1mW out, this appeared to be giving 10mW out for 1mW in. That is what I meant by beyond measurement error in the video. However, when I returned to my on lab and we began testing we (as we always did) carried out the tests using the Steorn method. We the deconstructed the measurement method, and applied a more rigorus method, when this was done we noticed a flaw in Steorns technique. When we rectified this we found that the results produced where in line with classical physics, i.e. no gain.

How can I say this invalidates the SS Orbo but not the intial effect. That is quite simple, the permanent magnet torque experiment and the ss orbo are vastly different and failure of the SS Orbo by itself does not necessarily mean failure of the other.

[ashtweth]

Hi Phil, this is why we need to get away from measurements and scopes and build some thing performing real work, it doesn't have to be looped, but the dame thing has to do some thing by being loaded to measure a COP.

Its really pointless to say you have FE unless you have done that, i don't know of any one in history who has claimed to have free energy with out running some thing.Thanks for answering here my friend., your a peoples engineer

Ash

[Bobbotov]

Phil,

Thank you for the response. I appreciate it.

Just a follow-up: will you conduct any further tests on any of the three versions of the Orbo? It would seem that the e-Orbo which you felt was very promising would be a good candidate or has Steorn abandoned development (changed directions) on that platform and the original PMM version? That seems odd since they held several weeks of public demonstrations on the e-Orbo device and invited people to do testing at Waterways giving the impression that they felt very confident on that version.

Ash, I understand your frustration at the constant reference to calculations and instead building a working device yet Steorn has focused their entire endeavors for the last almost five years solely on calculations and stated emphatically that they have OU without ever building a device that does actual work. If you feel that basing OU solely on calculations is not proof then essentially Steorn has not proved they have OU, right?

Also, I am not aware of any free energy device in history that actually does work on any kind of practical basis. If so, wouldn't that make all of this moot?

[bugler]

Also, I am not aware of any free energy device in history that actually does work on any kind of practical basis.

Henry Mooray's devide was tested by many people who wrote documents about the testing. But the invention was killed by the criminal elite.

Stan Mayer's water fuel cells was also OU and was also killed, including the inventor.

Nowadays it seems that people are getting 4kw of electricity with HHO and a 5.5kw disel generator.

Besides that I don't knwo of anything else.

[Phil_Watson]

Phil,

Thank you for the response. I appreciate it.

Just a follow-up: will you conduct any further tests on any of the three versions of the Orbo? It would seem that the e-Orbo which you felt was very promising would be a good candidate or has Steorn abandoned development (changed directions) on that platform and the original PMM version? That seems odd since they held several weeks of public demonstrations on the e-Orbo device and invited people to do testing at Waterways giving the impression that they felt very confident on that version.
work on any kind of practical basis. If so, wouldn't that make all of this moot?

I was very surprised when they suddenly jumped to the SS Orbo after the extensive demos of it in Dublin. I would loved to have tested it thuroly on my own. However I never had one so I can't!

There was a previous question about Kirchoffs laws, and did they breakdown. The answer to that is no. The reason I got different energy values when I measured energy as the integral of VI and integral of I^2.r was because for a period of time r was being shunted by the solid state switch. This resulted in r being lower than what Steorn assumed it to be. If one had calculated this value then the energies in both methods would of been the same. So why didn't I do this? Well it's easier said than done. One one have to model a complexly changing impedance (that of the solid state junction as it turned off) which in it's self would be worthy of a pHD

[Evolvealready]

Henry Mooray's devide was tested by many people who wrote documents about the testing. But the invention was killed by the criminal elite.

Stan Mayer's water fuel cells was also OU and was also killed, including the inventor.

Nowadays it seems that people are getting 4kw of electricity with HHO and a 5.5kw disel generator.

Besides that I don't knwo of anything else.

Don't be stupid. Moray was a fraud with a mail order degree.
Stan Mayer was convicted of fraud and died of stroke.
No one with any free energy machine has ever been able to give solid evidence that it works, which makes sense, since everything we know about how the world works from centuries of experiment and observation says it is impossible.
I'd love it if someone could develop free energy, but it hasn't been done so far and there are no likely candidates out there.

[forumposting253]

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A great day for humankind today, i would like to say all of you made panacea possible and now its time to give humanity FREEDOM, we have the weather engineering knowledge held in a public trust, and now free energy, this year i think our lives will change forever, panacea steorn video production coming.

[Aldwyn]

Hi Phil,
Thanks for your posts, your results are very interesting, if a little disheartening, but this is the sort of information we need. Has Steorn had any response to your findings? I heard that they blamed them on your scope, but that does not seem possible given the details you have shared. Do they dispute your findings?

[Harvey]

I was very surprised when they suddenly jumped to the SS Orbo after the extensive demos of it in Dublin. I would loved to have tested it thuroly on my own. However I never had one so I can't!

There was a previous question about Kirchoffs laws, and did they breakdown. The answer to that is no. The reason I got different energy values when I measured energy as the integral of VI and integral of I^2.r was because for a period of time r was being shunted by the solid state switch. This resulted in r being lower than what Steorn assumed it to be. If one had calculated this value then the energies in both methods would of been the same. So why didn't I do this? Well it's easier said than done. One one have to model a complexly changing impedance (that of the solid state junction as it turned off) which in it's self would be worthy of a pHD

Thanx Phil.

I would like to review that schematic and measurement method in greater detail. If this is not available publicly, could you PM me at the SKDB with the info?

With gratitude,

Harvey

[ashtweth]

Ash,

I'm quite sure I'm wasting my breath and if I am I apologize but i wonder if you've viewed Energy From The Vacuum #15 with Walter Rosenthal. It most certainly would be crucial for anyone in the business of determining OU, or not... pretty amazing documentary.

Thanks
Keep up the fantastic work
Great write up in the magazine BTW, read that! Well put. You even look rested and in the pic.

Cheers

Hello my friend yes very helpful, i nearly fell out of my chair when i saw the EFTV, as Walter said back in 2004 about lutec, but Anthony Craddock (sp?) didn't release that info till YEARS later, i guess he is making a series for profit however its vital information which shows that you need a non profit doing this work, or we never get real time results. Lutec are not far from us (in same state) i keep a close watch on them and will report if i see any thing.

Ash

[ashtweth]

Hi ALL

Okay its been very difficult to get the source principle into a measurable quantifiable unit that the developers can all access at this time (may change in future ) The idea is to get a CONFIGURATION that we can all agree upon. There has recently been a newer version (cannot go into details) that was specifically created so that developers could do experiments with primitive equipment and help get he ball rolling.

This is a heat out put. So this is what every one is "wrestling at" ATM, this may be the final version for the developers to evaluate Steorn's principle, there are a lot of loyal people there trying to help them.

There MAY be a heater come out of the Orbo, i said MAY, cant go onto any more details, that was the big news. So now we have the SS board and another configuration to wrestle with, will try and get components for the new one, we still dont have our final coil info for our board at this time, but only because the versions are being optimized and tested, so its still being tested guys

What a scenario yes i know i feel for all too. Steorn are still doing their best to help get it done for all, so are the developers. So lets just give them a chance for now . My money is on Clanzer to get some thing working before us, he is concentrating on PM side, we are working on the latest ones

If we had a centralized hub where developers could come and work on it with the talent we have in the field like Peter/Aaron and others we would have this sorted sooner, we have developers all around the world so its a little complex trying to get to the bottom of what they have but we will make sure we are THOROUGH .

We do need a research center , that's why Panacea has said this YEARS ago, dont take my word for it

George Wiseman talks about his castle
GREER about an R and D lab
Decker
Alek

And more. All agree we need a unified place where we can be independent evidence based and non profit. But also get real time progress. Hope to have some SS board news in the next few weeks guys, working as hard as they will let us

Ash

[lancair360]

Any new developments

Hi Ash, I'm a long time lurker that just got around to registering. I have been looking for news on your work with the SS Orbo on this forum as well as at Panacea and was wondering if you have made any progress over the last month? Hoping you have an update.

Thanks,
Lancair

[ashtweth]

Hi Lancair/ALL

Pretty good timing, the first solid state board results were going to be posted in April (newsletter time). This should be when we can get all we need for the heater, its still actually being designed by the crew beleive it or not, thats how much it is in the DEVELOPER stages.

It has not been easy. This is why you are not reading about ANYONE'S replication at this time The SS board looks to be a heater.

WE will stuck it out till we have exhausted every avenue, we were given an extra year for free, the heater should give us an idea of what issues are next, not easy my friend but at least we are not quitting till there is nothing more we can do. Will have some news in April of the heater and post some snaps of the units. Its been very hard to get to this stage guys. Cant say too much more for now.

Ash

[toranarod]

Hi Lancair/ALL

Pretty good timing, the first solid state board results were going to be posted in April (newsletter time). This should be when we can get all we need for the heater, its still actually being designed by the crew beleive it or not, thats how much it is in the DEVELOPER stages.

It has not been easy. This is why you are not reading about ANYONE'S replication at this time The SS board looks to be a heater.

WE will stuck it out till we have exhausted every avenue, we were given an extra year for free, the heater should give us an idea of what issues are next, not easy my friend but at least we are not quitting till there is nothing more we can do. Will have some news in April of the heater and post some snaps of the units. Its been very hard to get to this stage guys. Cant say too much more for now.

Ash

Great Ash
we are still hoping on good news from you about the ORBO.
If this thing works really works. so much stuff dose not work or is patented and is never seen again.

cheers Rod