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  • #16
    Originally posted by Raui View Post
    @MrMagAmp
    Great diagram, looks like you're getting it. I have a question for you though, are you going to make the transformer like shown in the diagram you've posted or the conventional primary -> secondary -> top-load?

    Raui
    Yes, I'm trying to do that. But my knowledge about electronics is very little at the moment. Some friends are helping me and I'm posting my doubts in an electronic forum.
    I want to get 220VDC. For that I'm doing a square wave pulse generator with a 555. The output is 55 Hz. Then, with that output I connect a transformer (9vdc 0.3ah to 220vac 50-60hz), and then I have to put the spark + capacitors like in the hairpin.

    The barrier I found is that the transformer output is 0 volts
    In the pin 3 of the 555 oscillator, I'm using a 470 ohm resistor and a transistor bd138. When I measure the output with a multimeter, it's 3VDC.
    I'm using a 12V battery. If I remove the resistor+transistor, the output is 12VDC 55HZ square wave and the light bulb (12v 0.3ah) lights up. I need very few about electronics. Maybe I've choosen the wrong transistor?

    Originally posted by boguslaw View Post
    Great ideas ! Surely radiant energy need to be magnified, but how create radiant instead of electromagnetic ? Do you think that two capacitors circuit is enough to generate radiant ? Maybe it rather generate RF electromagnetic waves ?
    At least the hairpin circuit generates radiant energy. RF electromagnetic waves? I think I have read something that radiant energy is like RF energy. But I would need to look more for that information.
    Last edited by MrMagAmp; 04-24-2010, 07:47 AM.

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    • #17
      Radiant energy is not RF IMHO but I can't check it now due to missing radiant energy generator
      You have raised interesting idea about how capacitors in Don Smith primary circuit should be connected in series while in Smith videos they looks like connected in parallel.Probably he was not allowed to show actual working primary that's why he presented a couple of Tesla schematics pointing that's the key for understanding the method. Very good observation indeed.
      If you watched Don Smith videos , you should know that he also used a device called neon dimmer. I've found there are two kinds of that : dimmer and flasher.Dimmer only regulate output voltage of neon sign transformer while flasher allow of neons pulsing or flashing. I'm quite sure that flasher is needed in Don circuit ! That way capacitors in primary are charged by pulsing DC HV.

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      • #18
        MrMagAmp,

        How long are your wires which correspond to B and B1 in Tesla's drawing?

        The length needs to be properly tuned to the frequency you are operating at.

        Also, note that Shunt B2 is not just a shorting jumper - IIRC that material was of high resistance to illustrate that resistive heaters would function from this form of energy application. If you are looping a wire there, then you are shorting out your transformer. This may be why your transformer is producing zero output (that, and also because you are trying to push high frequency through it and that core is probably not made for that)

        It is possible, at specific frequencies and proper impedance matching, to have a complete circuit there with B2 being a shorting wire - but the over all length of the wire needs to properly match the inductive reactance of the transformer secondary. In this case the entire loop is a resonant circuit and the energy is bounced back and forth until it is used by the shorting loads.

        For now, I think you should remove B2 and put a neon or fluorescent bulb in its place.

        Please note that the Tesla Coil driver and the Hair Pin circuit operate on entirely different principles. The Tesla Coil driver requires the spark gap to be active because it uses this as the oscillator for the coil primary. In the Tesla Coil case, the spark gap is part of a capacitive discharge process that generates extremely fast di/dt through the primary which then is inductively coupled to a resonant secondary. Whereas in the
        Hairpin Circuit, the high frequency is controlled by the rotation of an AC generator (Alternator) and fed to a transformer whose secondary is the inductive portion of an LC resonant circuit. In the hairpin circuit, the spark gap functions as a protection device for the capacitors to prevent over voltage rupture of the dielectric. Both of these circuits produce radiant energy, but for different reasons and of different properties.

        "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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        • #19
          All electromagnetic energy is Radiant Energy. This includes RF as well as visible light and Nuclear Radiation including Cherenkov Radiation.

          This is why I have posted that Radiant energy is just as diverse as sound. It comes in many forms.

          Why is is Radiant? Because it radiates away from it's source.

          A perfect example is a Radiant Heater which does not pass energy to the air by way of thermal conduction, but instead, radiates electromagnetic radiation in the infra red frequency spectrum. The air in your shop may be very cold, but you will be warm when standing in the path of this type of energy radiation.

          Notice that the Cherenkov radiation is of a different frequency than the quartz heater and that it has different properties - yet both are a form of radiant energy.

          "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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          • #20
            mr mag amp

            have u suceded with your transformer?

            maybe you would like to try a disposable camera trigger transformer (its like a car ignition coil in small version)

            the camera circuit include a transformer the puts out 300V from an 1.2 V battery, so imagine what it will put out with 12V input...

            i have not tryed the transformer yet... with the trigger coil i can light a CFL or even an economic 20W light, but not very bright... with a 110V bulb it goes super bright. My source battery shows input 6 V.

            i can even create a small purple spark between the trigger coil output and the metal of the light.

            i have 4 damaged monitors, so i think i would play with very high voltages soon using the flyback transformer, but i dont know how to make the connections yet...

            will post some videos later...

            oh, and raui, you are the man!!

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