Perpetual Motion - The Holy Grail - A Magnetic Monopole

[witsend]

The model proposes the following.

All is magnetic and all is created from a single magnetic dipole. Lots of them. Disassociated magnetic dipoles can combine into pairs or triplets to form photons and electrons respectively. 3 Electrons can form an association which becomes the proton + 1 electron. Broadly the proposal is that they separate into fields. One dimensional fields are TERTIARY fields responsible for binding atoms. Two dimensional fields are SECONDARY fields - comprising atomic energy levels. Three dimensional fields are PRIMARY - and this comprises the aether both of our planet and of the universe at large. A toroidal field is also evident in a permanent bar magnet. All such fields are proposed to be self-sustaining. They move forever. They are perpetually mobile. They comprise strings of magnetic dipoles that orbit.

In their usual field condition they move at twice the speed of light and are, therefore, out of 'range' of our measuring instruments. We're constrained to measure things within light speed because light is also our fastest measure. The first three dimensions comprise these magnetic fields that move at speeds that exceed our time dimensions. Therefore they have their own time dimension. Then we have our measurable universe - described by Einstein and our classicists. That's also three dimensional space, shared with our magnetic fields - but it has its own time dimension which 'drags' behind the time frame of the fields - which is defined as a 'zipon moment'. Then we have the dimensions of the quark which are outside our space dimensions but these dimensions have no spatial dimensions. But they share out own dimensions of time. So. Four dimensions to the first 'reality' of magnetic fields - then four dimensions to the second 'reality' of our universe structured from measurable matter - and two to the hidden quark dimensions that are out of range of even the magnetic fields. That's a total of 10 dimensions. Therefore one can argue that the entire universe comprises 10 dimensions structured from a single magnetic dipole. A universe as a 10 dimensional binary system.

The 'reality' or the universe that we know - is the universe according to Einstein. And here's the problem. That universe is subject to invisible forces and this project has simply pointed to the fact that the apparent energy available in this visible universe always and only ever comes from the invisible. It comes from those hidden fields where the weak nuclear force (1 dimensional fields) - the strong nuclear force, (2 dimensional fields) and gravity (3 dimensional fields) are ascribed to pure magnetic fields that move matter in line with immutable imperatives. It is organised on a profound level and responds to a need for 'charge distribution' and balance that - over time - becomes perfectly determined. The proposal is that this is the UNIVERSAL AETHER

The question is this. If these fields are the 'aether fields' and if they are - themselves - perpetually mobile - then how can these forces be actively induced to generate 'perpetual mobility' within our own time frames? How then do we access this energy potential from these aetheric fields? This answered and we would then have the secret to 'boundless energy'. We would then be able to liberate energies on a scale that has, heretofore, been unknown.

So then. Let's look at what does move 'in perpetuum'.

- an electron orbiting the atomic energy levels
- planets moving around their suns
- stars moving inside galaxies
- galaxies moving through space

In fact EVERYTHING moves perpetually - only and unless it's held in a comparative 'rest state' inside a gravity field - or, as has been proposed here - inside a toroidal magnetic field. Then it's proposed that a combination of magnetic forces can, theoretically, hold matter in a grip that depends on the mass of that matter and the mass of the field where it is at rest. A steady or 'rest state' is more the exception than the norm. It's just that we live in a toroidal aether or magnetic field. And that inclines matter to move at a 90 degree angle to the strings towards to the centre of the field. From our perspective - thats always DOWNWARDS.

So then. What is the nature of an electron? Essentially it always presents a single charge. We - in these classical Einsteinian dimensions - only ever see an electron with a single charge. Therefore it is reasonable to propose that given a 'single charge' or a 'magnetic monopole' that we would be able to position that monopole inside a primary or a secondary magnetic field to get it to 'spin eternally'.

[witsend]

HERE'S THE RECIPE FOR A MONOPOLE

It is not difficult to construct a magnetic monopole. It's only expensive. Essentially all it needs is symmetry and a single exposed charge. This can be constructed. Here's the recipe. Take your average magnetisable material. Shape it into a sphere. Divide that sphere into equal parts - like a soccer ball. Cut through one of those surface shapes in a diminished line and at a diminishing angle to the very centre of that sphere. Then when you have that first magnetisable crystal cast as many of those shapes as are required to make a sphere. Then magnetise each part - north at the broad surface, south at the sharp base. Then put those parts together to form a sphere. Then hold that structure bound in some material that is not magnetiseable - glass - rope - cotton - whatever.

Then put that sphere inside a toroid - another magentic pipe that has a hollow in the centre. Then either let it loose and see if it will orbit inside that 'pipe'. Alternatively, hold it on an axis and see if it will spin. Either or both of these options may work.

If it does spin - either axially or in orbit - (or both) then it conclusively proves that the electron is held bound inside atomic energy levels and that those energy levels are magnetic.

If it spins then the changing magnetic fields inside that toroid should induce an electric field provided only that some closed circuit wire is in the required proximity to experience those changes. That - in terms of the laws of induction - should generate a perpetual current flow. Maybe?

[ashtweth]

Rose i would like to see more interest in this simply because i have seen perceptual motion in magnetic interactions, changing the inductance , switch and baiting, but i cant show the model yet (Steorn's) and what do you think they use? Torroids and a magnet.

I have also seen the ETHER accessed via primitive organic and inorganic material to make the atmosphere respond. Steron dont know where their extra energy comes from, its magnetic interactions, perhaps i should post this on their forum Any takers for Rossie's Model guys?

[ewizard]

FasKineting! Your idea for a magnetic monopole certainly sounds like something worth trying. It does sound like a bit of a challenge to get all the pieces held tightly together in a sphere though. Perhaps something along the lines of a truncated icosahedron ( Truncated icosahedron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) might be easier to put together with it's many small flat outer surfaces but still close to a sphere.

[CatLady]

Here's a comparison to the soccer ball.

Truncated icosahedron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Here's a similiar application where parts make up a whole.

YouTube - Supermagnets over 1 Tesla!!! Awesome

[b4FreeEnergy]

10 dimensions

Rosemary, you certainly think in other ‘dimensions’ than most of us and I like that. Think out of the 'box', you certainly do! I start having the feeling that tapping into freely available energy is fairly simple once you know how to do it.

Mazzeltov,
B

[Matthew Jones]

The only problem with the idea is the construction of the magnet. The mechanical aspect alone of assembly is a very hard problem to solve.
And really in concept even if you could totally contain one field of the magnet the magnet would just stop working.
A magnet is no different than a charge in certain ways. The higher potential (Usually the North emissions) must have a lower potential or absents of potential to to travel to. With out this you are asking for a potential driven Particle (For lack of a better word) to travel to an infinite bounds. It is nothing at that point.
In fact a North Only type magnet is not even feasible on permanent basis since both poles of a magnet emit photons that travel in either direction. (IE the 2d depiction of magnetic field Out on the north in on the South). The more feasible is the Toroid approach. All field traveling in one direction or consistently circling with no point of emissions.
The same pattern you will see in one wire.

This can be done with permanent magnets. The very same pattern.

So here is a test and probably feasible working device.

We all have seen this form of a Homopolar motor. At least I hope.
Read the conventional take on it.

So you have the current in the wire that rotates around the outer perimeter of a magnetic field and doing so at a perpendicular position. Easy right.
But...

We can make the same field emissions (as one wire) with permanent magnets.

One Wire Emission according Vizimag

Permanent magnet Toroid or one wire style emission.

So we look at the both of them modeled. I know the modeling program has a few errors and discrepancies. But for the most part the fields are the same.

So why then will the magnetic field in many different positions not rotate outside of a magnetic field created by a separate permanent magnet?
I've tried this by the way in many different forms. So far I have not been able to make it work.
You might say the fields aren't strong enough. But thats not the case as far as the gauss meter is concerned.
Maybe the simulator lies. But not according to the gauss meter.
Ect....
The most logical answer would be Potential. They both create and exist within a different set of potentials. They are not linked in any way. Thats my conclusion anyway.

We need to link them..
So how to link them? They are not electrical energy that travels or is present at any given time at given point. The field can be disrupted by the presents of iron. We cannot cast or bond the needed assembly as it would require bearings at sompoint. What to to do?

And sorry for the long read, but this is why I bring it up in this thread.

A Magnetic energy of a different potential will not travel or effect anything around it unless the complete Potential is available. My theory.

The reason I believe this is valid in the case you bring up, I hope is obvious.

If what your saying is possible then we should be able to test it in a simple fashion. But if my theory on potential energy is true, well building that sphere would only net you nothing.
You must somehow have a path for the energy to return to origin. OR!!!! find a way to feed it without origin of the potential being important. IE a true separation of poles.

I am not trying to discourage just shed some light.

Matt

[witsend]

Guys and girls - I'm glad this caught a bit of attention. I was rather concerned that it would get buried unnoticed. I think I've got Ash to thank for that. And I clearly underestimated the talent on this forum.

Ash, I'm entirely satisfied that - given an initial power to induce a start 'turn' then magnets can be configured to induce the rotation required for motors. And that's got to be usable energy. I'm hoping that your interest here will finally resolve this. If it does, then we've got our motor energies - WHICH IS HUGE.

ewizard - your truncated icosahedron is intriguing. At least it gives the picture to what I've been trying to describe. My only concern here is the need for symmetry. And, purely intuitively, I rather prefer curved or smooth surfaces. But I have no idea which would work better or even which would be easier to construct. Frankly if those shapes are wire cut through spark erosion then their shapes are relatively easy to define no matter their complexity. And the same goes if they're cast. Pre-magnetisation - it's feasible to get just about any required shape. But you're right. How does one then actually put those shapes together once their magnetised. Imagine, for instance if the whole construct is done with neodymiums. The force of repulsion would be explosive.

And Cat - thanks for the links. That second one is gold. Perhaps I could approach that guy and see if he can put something like this together? At least he could tell us if it's feasible. Love that Southern drawl.

[witsend]

Rosemary, you certainly think in other ‘dimensions’ than most of us and I like that. Think out of the 'box', you certainly do! I start having the feeling that tapping into freely available energy is fairly simple once you know how to do it.

Mazzeltov,
B

LOL Bart. There is NOTHING simpler than magnets and NOTHING more complex. But I'll own up here. I'm obsessed.

[witsend]

And really in concept even if you could totally contain one field of the magnet the magnet would just stop working.

Hi Matt. I'm not so sure about this. I've tried some configurations of opposing fields and I see as much potential energy here as when their aligned to be attractive. Possibly more so. The fields never STOP. They're always there. And given a 'chance' they'll move to get a balance. And I have a sneaking suspicion that even outside that proposed toroid - that sphere could express an axial spin. I'm not sure it'll easily get to that 'rest state'. What I'd love to see is - given sufficient purity - what difference in spin between a south exposed - to a north exposed in the southern or northern hemispheres. But there's so many assumptions. Just don't know how to get to the answers without experimenting.

In fact a North Only type magnet is not even feasible on permanent basis since both poles of a magnet emit photons that travel in either direction.

I can't agree with you here. If the magnet emitted 'photon's then we'd see light.

Regarding your proposed configuration - I think we're drifting off the point rather. All I'm trying to do is explore the possibility of introducing a monopole to another magnetic field.

If what your saying is possible then we should be able to test it in a simple fashion. But if my theory on potential energy is true, well building that sphere would only net you nothing.
You must somehow have a path for the energy to return to origin. OR!!!! find a way to feed it without origin of the potential being important. IE a true separation of poles.

You may very well be right. I'll not know this until I've tried it. LOL. But that 'true separation of poles! I'm not sure that there is such a thing. Definitely the holy grail of physics.

[Matthew Jones]

Hi Matt. I'm not so sure about this. I've tried some configurations of opposing fields and I see as much potential energy here as when their aligned to be attractive. Possibly more so. The fields never STOP. They're always there. And given a 'chance' they'll move to get a balance. And I have a sneaking suspicion that even outside that proposed toroid - that sphere could express an axial spin. I'm not sure it'll easily get to that 'rest state'. What I'd love to see is - given sufficient purity - what difference in spin between a south exposed - to a north exposed in the southern or northern hemispheres. But there's so many assumptions. Just don't know how to get to the answers without experimenting.

Well if thats the test the easiest way to see is to find 6 like sized magnets and cut 45 on the edge of each. Or have them cast. Make a cube. You would have to have a good bond on the corners though.
This should give the effect your looking for and to me seems the easiest to construct.

Regarding your proposed configuration - I think we're drifting off the point rather. All I'm trying to do is explore the possibility of introducing a monopole to another magnetic field

And what is the field shape emitted by a monopole? It should be exactly that of a wire. No source just rotation in a flat plain.
So you make it spherical. Eventually the rotation meets itself. What happens then? Cancellation happens. At least thats how I picture it.

You may very well be right. I'll not know this until I've tried it. LOL. But that 'true separation of poles! I'm not sure that there is such a thing. Definitely the holy grail of physics.

Happens every time you send a charge down the wire, a dipole. We have yet to see it it above the particle level.
But you can direct a magnetic flow to separate itself for a period of time. The problem again is how much time. 2 much time and you do not get an interaction between that field and another. "The closed loop problem."

You may find an assembly that provides a monopole like interaction. (Look In my signature" simple track"). But you take the same assembly and loop it into a circle to try to get rotary motion, Closed loop, Well then you get nothing.
You keep in flat and try to make it long and you loose energy over time. The middle becomes stagnate.

Just some thing to think about.

Myself I think you could find an assembly that give a monopole type interaction with another magnet but at the same time allows the magnet to self interact as needed, at the same time gain energy through the motion of the fields. It is something I have worked on for some time.

I understand your fixation, brother.

Cheers
Matt

[gmeat]

interesting thread

Hi guys and gals, I like the thread but I'm not sure what sense it makes to have a monopole.Lets say that it were possible to have an all north sphere and lets say that we could somehow have that inside an all south shere what do you people think is going to happen?. I mean even if it did spin around forever how could you extract any energy from this.I dont know maybe I'm missing the boat on this one...-Gary

[witsend]

Well if thats the test the easiest way to see is to find 6 like sized magnets and cut 45 on the edge of each. Or have them cast. Make a cube. You would have to have a good bond on the corners though. This should give the effect your looking for and to me seems the easiest to construct.

I guess it would be easier. But it's those symmetries that are needed. Did you see Cat's second link? He shows how the 'corners' vary the magnetic strengths. And he shows an extraordinary way to channel the fields to concentrate them. Some really creative thinking. That final configuration needed to be encased in STEEL!!! Golly. That shows the 'strength' of repulsion. I'd love to know what magnets he used. I think they're neodymiums - but not sure. And I'm concerned at the fact that a steel encasing would actually corrupt those 'opposing' fields by inducing fields in the steel. I'm sorry he didn't use something that was non-inductive.

And what is the field shape emitted by a monopole? It should be exactly that of a wire. No source just rotation in a flat plain.

I get it Matt. It's intriguing. It would definitely be a 'monodirectional' field but - in terms of the bipolar nature of the magnets themselves, there's always the opposite pole there. It's implicit. I know where you're coming from here. It's effectively exactly what I describe as 'a string'.

So you make it spherical. Eventually the rotation meets itself. What happens then? Cancellation happens. At least thats how I picture it.

Again. You're right - but to a point. It's mainstream's opinion that there is NO magnetic field in a toroid. It 'disappears'. But I'm concerned that actually it's not 'detectable' because it's finally reached a 'balanced' state - a complete orbit. I need that configuration in every model of the magnetic field that I've made. But here's the thing. The orbit may have a single direction or 'justification' - but complete the circle and you've got an opposing field there - the one half moving diametrically against the other half.

I understand your fixation, brother.

Clearly you do. LOL. But it's a fun puzzle. I spend way too much time on it.

[witsend]

Hi guys and gals, I like the thread but I'm not sure what sense it makes to have a monopole.Lets say that it were possible to have an all north sphere and lets say that we could somehow have that inside an all south shere what do you people think is going to happen?. I mean even if it did spin around forever how could you extract any energy from this.I dont know maybe I'm missing the boat on this one...-Gary

Hi Gary. You're missing nothing. But in terms of inductive laws a changing magnetic field induces an electric field. If we get that monopole to 'spin' against another magnetic field - or, as proposed, inside another magnetic field - then both fields are perpetually 'changing'. The assumption is that with copper wire in a closed circuit configuration - placed in a required proximity to those changing fields - then we SHOULD induce a current flow. Not sure if it'll be ac or dc or what? But - according to definitions - it should definitely induce some kind of electrical energy.

I have a picture in my mind's eye of many such spheres attached to the inside of the toroid - all spinning - and wire threaded through or around the toroidal magnet to induce a current flow. Technically, and in fact, IF the inner magnet spins rather than orbits, inside a toroidal winding - then we've got a closed system. That should be usable? Just can't work out all the possibles here.

[gmeat]

Sounds good to me

Hi Witsend, Thx for explaination and so carry on and I enjoy reading most of your posts although I dont have enough time to read all of them.On a side note and really its off topic but I'd like to hear your opinion on a question I have.Can current flow in two directions in a wire at the same time.And If you dont want to answer this silly question I wont be offended because it's certainly OFF TOPIC.Good luck in your endeavor's-Gary