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  • One of the things that is yet to be documented is whether or not this force is real (acts on the quartz even when not being held) or induced (acts on the muscles, thereby causing the sensation of force).

    One way to test this would be to fasten the quartz to the end of a wooden rod and secure a matching weight to the other end. The longer the rod, the less sensitive it will be, but we don't want the weight too close so as to interfere or cancel the PMH effect. Suspend the rod from a piece of nylon line (fishing line, weed eater line, or similar. Don't use a twisted thread, use a monofilament. Once the rod is hanging very still and horizontal, bring the PMH into proximity. It would be helpful to have a grid of vertical and horizontal lines some feet behind the detector (on the wall?) with a lamp to cast a shadow of the rod and line detector onto the grid. The shadow will be amplified by the ratio of the distance between the lamp and the detector and the detector and the grid, just like a lever. The closer the lamp is to the detector and the farther the detector is from the grid, the greater the sensitivity.

    You could video the shadow on the grid while trying different approach positions and angles. This technique can be tailored to be decades more sensitive than human sensory perception.

    There are two shadows involved, one vertical one horizontal. The suspension line is the vertical and the rod is the horizontal. Any motion on either axis will be detected easily. Also, not as accurate would be motion in the z axis (toward or away from the grid). In this case the size of the shadow will change to some degree as it moves toward or away from the lamp.

    For best results, use as short a rod as is practicable as this will offer the greatest angle deviation for a given input pressure.

    Another method if you have one, would be to fasten a laser pointer to the weight end of the rod and have that shine directly on the grid all the way across the room. Small motion on the rod will produce large swings of the laser dot.

    If we get motion by this method, then we can say the force is real and rule out the muscle hypothesis.
    "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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    • Ovoid PMH - energy pattern in ice

      Here I have posted some pictures of the PMH which has a roughly egg-shaped profile after being frozen in ice. The center of the PMH and beneath appear to be strong Male energy, above is Female? Purple line shows the location of the PMH as it blends into the black background.



      This PMH may need to be recharged somewhat - it has been weeks since I charged it last. The metal ring is two half-circles of spring steel with ends cut for good physical / EM contact. Once energized, ring was wrapped with a thin layer of tape to keep the ring together when spinning at a high rate of speed (drill mounted). I need to come up with a mechanism for spinning that doesn't involve a motor or other magnets.

      Will work on meeting Harvey's test requirements. Time is at a premium these days. :-S
      -Van
      Last edited by Van T Stride; 11-12-2010, 04:58 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Van T Stride View Post
        Sucahyo - I tried the copper coil in a shallow dish of water, and can clearly see the ice form consistently on one side of the coil as a cloudy mess, and more clear on the otheropposite side. I tried taking picutres of the bubbles, but digital camera can't seem to focus below the surface of the ice. I will post some pictures of this behavior. Next is to freeze the Hematite ring and the small oval PMH (seperately).
        Nice . I think you can get stronger effect with insulated copper.

        If your camera have close up mode, you can force focus to 0.5 distance.

        Originally posted by Van T Stride View Post
        With the copper coil I found that making it into a cone also produces and exaggerates the effect in the ice. I am going to try mounting this type of coil inside the PMH for testing of the visual effect that David and I have seen with certain materials.
        Interesting . I look forward for the result .

        Originally posted by Van T Stride View Post
        The resistive force and the visual phenomenon may appear together or seperately - I have seen it better at higher rotational speeds than when the resistive force is felt.
        Interesting .

        Can you try quartz against a rotating quartz? or maybe putting quartz at the rotating PMH?


        Originally posted by Van T Stride View Post
        Here I have posted some pictures of the PMH which has a roughly egg-shaped profile after being frozen in ice. The center of the PMH and beneath appear to be strong Male energy, above is Female? Purple line shows the location of the PMH as it blends into the black background.
        Thanks for posting .

        I can see the needle . I once see the needle form a vortex.
        Last edited by sucahyo; 11-12-2010, 05:31 AM.

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        • Freezing test (failure)

          Well, Sucahyo, my latest test -- freezing my ring in a large block of ice -- has failed - miserably. The ice block froze from the outer edges of the container toward the middle, where the ring was, and at some point the whole thing cracked and broke my ring into 4 little pieces.

          I reassembled it with some scotch tape around the outside of the ring, and while I still feel something, it is not as sweet as it was before freezing.

          What a bummer!
          -Van

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          • Originally posted by Van T Stride View Post
            Well, Sucahyo, my latest test -- freezing my ring in a large block of ice -- has failed - miserably. The ice block froze from the outer edges of the container toward the middle, where the ring was, and at some point the whole thing cracked and broke my ring into 4 little pieces.

            I reassembled it with some scotch tape around the outside of the ring, and while I still feel something, it is not as sweet as it was before freezing.

            What a bummer!
            -Van
            That is bad. Sorry to hear that. Ice strong enough to crack metal then?

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            • Originally posted by Van T Stride View Post
              Well, Sucahyo, my latest test -- freezing my ring in a large block of ice -- has failed - miserably. The ice block froze from the outer edges of the container toward the middle, where the ring was, and at some point the whole thing cracked and broke my ring into 4 little pieces.

              I reassembled it with some scotch tape around the outside of the ring, and while I still feel something, it is not as sweet as it was before freezing.

              What a bummer!
              -Van
              Oh no that can be totally depressing. There is no telling when that ring was made since you found it while diving, it could have been centuries old and churned up over the ages. Very sorry to hear about it breaking.

              Evidently the minor radius was too small to support the expansion pressure of the ice? (According to this test: SpringerLink - Power Technology and Engineering (formerly Hydrotechnical Construction), Volume 6, Number 8 as much as 900 kg/cm² was produced). Even for Hematite rock, that's a lot of pressure to withstand and as mentioned before, it probably did have some variations in structure that could have been weak spots.

              I agree, it's a bummer
              "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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              • jetijs!!!

                Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
                Thanks David
                Good to know.
                matt has the device as we speak!...david

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                • Ring died

                  "...Oh no that can be totally depressing. There is no telling when that ring was made since you found it while diving, it could have been centuries old and churned up over the ages. Very sorry to hear about it breaking."

                  No worries, it was certainly a manufactured (low-cost) ring - it may have even been made of 'composite' Hematite. I know it was not too old - I found it in a natural hot-spring, in a farmer's field in Utah. I think the teenagers that were there ahead of us lost it in the rocks. To my untrained eye, it looks like every other 5$ Hematite ring I have ever seen (even 'graphite' color, even luster, uniform thickness and shape).

                  I'm sure I can replace it. The question is whether I can replicate the energy that I detected in it. It may take several attempts with a variety of ring sources to get one to behave in the same way. From what I read of "supernatural" properties of Hematite, it's not too surprising that I found it to be a pleasant companion.

                  With regard to testing PMH field behavior - I have ordered some Quartz crystal and am also looking at making some Copper (II) Acetate crystal. I will try a variety of minerals with ovoid PMH and see if we can detect a measurable force. Also have some new pictures of my PMH suspended in the middle of an ice block with string.

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                  • Originally posted by david lambright View Post
                    matt has the device as we speak!...david
                    Yay!

                    It reminds me of the trek of the Brave Little Toaster that finally makes it to the destination through various perils.

                    I've been thinking - you know how those astronomers get all those good images from space by using long time lapse photography to catch all the extra photons? What if we put the device in a dark room and open the shutter on a camera and let it film overnight? As photons are emitted we should get some sort of idea how they emerge. You can even put a white semicircle backdrop for them to reflect off of and that too would be photographed. That way if any patterns emerge we can learn something from it. It wouldn't hurt to put a fluorescent object in the image too, so if any UV photons are emitted they will light up the object.

                    What do you guys think?
                    "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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                    • Originally posted by Van T Stride View Post
                      I tried something a little "out there." A few years ago I found a hematite ring while on a SCUBA dive. Monday I decided to wrap the ring with copper wire and follow the same process for creating a PMH (via car battery). Note: there is no break in the ring, just a continuous circle. I charged the ring a few times. I assumed the ring would interact with my other PMH in some way. But it doesn't appear to.

                      However, I can tell you that after charging the ring I have a strange sensation in my left hand when I wear it. I cannot detect any electric or magnetic behavior in the ring, but I can tell it is doing something on my hand. I urge you to try this and see if you have a similar experience. Get a cheap hematite ring from a jewelry store or over the internet and charge it up (then wear it for a few days).

                      Can anyone suggest simple tests that I can perform to check the ring for some type of charge or radiating energy (other than magnetism)? Should I be worried about wearing it now? The closest thing I have to a voltmeter is a cheap current tester for checking battery cables on my car.
                      -Van
                      Hi Van, I'm confused (happens to me all the time ), the ring that broke is a different one then?
                      "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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                      • Originally posted by Harvey View Post
                        I've been thinking - you know how those astronomers get all those good images from space by using long time lapse photography to catch all the extra photons? What if we put the device in a dark room and open the shutter on a camera and let it film overnight? As photons are emitted we should get some sort of idea how they emerge. You can even put a white semicircle backdrop for them to reflect off of and that too would be photographed. That way if any patterns emerge we can learn something from it. It wouldn't hurt to put a fluorescent object in the image too, so if any UV photons are emitted they will light up the object.

                        What do you guys think?
                        That is the reason I ask if everyone still has non CMOS or non CCD camera.

                        Tesla capture it with very long exposure too, 30 minutes IIRC.


                        However, occult ring mention that orb only shown on CCD camera.

                        I look forward for your photos, Van T Stride .

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                        • found ring

                          Originally posted by Harvey View Post
                          Hi Van, I'm confused (happens to me all the time ), the ring that broke is a different one then?
                          No, this was all the same ring. I was SCUBA diving in a geo-thermal hot-spring in Utah. I found the ring in about 3 feet of water -- a lot of locals go to this particular spot for a quick dip in the spring water. We dove in with full dive gear thinking it could be very deep (the color of the water was a deep aquamarine) but the max depth turned out to be only about 25'. The color of the water may be attributed to various dissolved minerals and small amounts of fine clay particles suspended in the water.

                          Finding a hematite ring made up for the laughable diving conditions.

                          If this sounds odd, you may be surprised to hear that there are several deep dive sites (> 65 ft deep) in that area that are heated to a comfortable temperature by geo-thermal vents. Here are a couple: Homestead Crater Blue Lake Scuba

                          -Van

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                          • harvey!

                            i think that is a great idea!...i found an old kodak brownie hawkeye camera and the shutter has a long exposure setting, open as long as the button is pushed, minutes, hours, as long as i want....i just need to find some 620 film?...or i could have a spool wound with color film, 100 or 200 asa or something close to that...but first i need $.....i have been waiting on a check [mail]...i am trying to sell some stuff on craigs list so i can send out the oxide core devices i have promised .....please be patient.....i think that is a great idea harvey, about a long exposure....i will be checking on film...in the mean time, screaminvern has talked to the photo dept at the school he attends, they just might be using the device as a project!...i will keep you posted....david

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                            • a question?

                              jetijs, is there any one in line after you, checking out my device?....i was thinking that glen or harvey might want to check it out.....i know that glen wanted to live stream video......glen do you still want to do that?...david

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                              • Hi David
                                As far as I know there is no one in line after me, I will send the device to anyone you decide is worthy after my tests are done. I am also not intending to keep it for long
                                Also, great idea about the long exposure cameras. I have only some digital cameras which have up to 15 seconds of shutter speed and that is not enough.
                                Thanks,
                                Jetijs
                                It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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