gravity waves found

[Harvey]

Didn't Ed's setup have 4-way stacked V-magnets in the 24-pointed star shape? Could the "stars" of 24 be magnetised in SERIES? Since he poored concrete over it, we can't see this. Seems like it would be rather easy to do if so wished.
I envision some torsions being created, ed may have cast it in concrete before even testing the magnetic lock of the whole rig.

With current, although I never understood this in highschool and still don't, parallel and series connection bring vastly different effects.

In the 4 layers are magnetised in series, we'd have a huge COIL on our hands, with the flux possibly being taken a dimension further.

Personally, I think on Ed's device, each combined pole sticking out represented a single magnetic value like NN next to each other. So I think all of these were in a state of repulsion. This is also like Ford used them. When to poles of the same polarity are forced together, a knife edge field is driven out from the gap between with very high density.

Perhaps Ed's magnets were touching at one time, but the stress and wear caused them to separate from the repulsion.

Maybe Ed didn't lock the magnets together - maybe he just energized the flywheel rings - same principle, same effect right?

[nat1971a]

Having studied David hamels work, Leedskalin generator and now the original ford magneto, the basic shape is all very similar. One thing that now stands out now that i had another look at david hamels design which had 3 circular magnets at the bottom and the orginal ford magneto with the supposed 2 cow magnets underneath. Hamel said that this (the 3 magnets at the base) oscillated the field in some way.

@david have you tried a circular magnet (or 3) underneath your device. This may boost its power output. Possible an inch in from the outer diameter

[nat1971a]

This picture illustrates what i mean with the hamel device 3 circular magnets at the base. Similar in placement to how the ford magneto apparently ran as a free runner.

[nat1971a]

Or a donut magnet - david hamels very first design had a single donut magnet at the base

[Vickers]

Sorry David, I should have been more specific. The coil should be of a greater diameter than the field. Easy way to make it is to cut some stiff card and wrap it around your field and cut and tape. Then wind some insulated copper wire around it. Doesn't have to be much. Set your meter to volts and connect. Move it around a bit till u get some action.

[Cloxxki]

I don't know enough about it to fill a sentence, really.

I do however remember recently having read some discussions where nitrogen was mentioned as the possible explanation for seemingly superfluous out in an HHO + Air combustion. It has always bugged me that we have som much of something so useless. Just like we used to think about water. Only good to drink, clean, and flush camp fires with.

[witsend]

Guys - David's computer's down at the moment. He's trying to get this sorted out so may be off forum for a bit. Hopefully it'll be resolved soon.

Thanks again Dave for all your hard work. It's amazing stuff and much appreciated by us all.

[NorthWind]

I visited David

I know I am new to posting in this forum, but I have been lurking for a while. I felt a duty to go to David's house because I was only an hour's drive from him, and so many people wanted information. Well, I spoke with David, and he was kind enough to have me visit his house and view his (re)invention. I felt very honored to be allowed in and made welcome. David appears to be a very kind and sincere man, though understandably on a bit of an emotional roller coaster. He is also very bright, as Bruce TPU mentioned.

I will state here what I saw, and what I did not see for the benefit of those that could not be there.

The pieces of pipe on the device are mounted on the sides of the cutting board with four drywall screws at the bottom part of the segments at the 0, 90, 180, and 270 degree marks (each of the four segments at those locations have one screw). They are wrapped on the exterior with some duct tape, and then some zip ties. The pipe was cut with a reciprocating saw, and is not smooth nor very even. There was a recent photo taken from above where the segments on the right appeared large, and the ones on the left appeared smaller, and tilted. Looking at the device, I can assure you that this is not the case at all; it was apparently some kind of anomalous distortion only occurring during imaging.

I will be honest and say that I was not able to see with my eyes any energy field. I am not saying that one doesn’t exist, however. I don’t know why I cannot see it, and he can. He says that many others have seen it as well. I blame it on my tired and rather old, eyes. David says that the field is sometimes more visible in the sunlight, of which we had none; a heavy storm was about to arrive. One which made my journey home really scary, but I digress.

I was not able to detect any obvious weight changes in objects as he can feel. If anything, weight changes are extremely subtle in my hands. I could not feel any vibrations of objects placed in the field. Again, others apparently more sensitive have felt it according to David.

I WAS able to feel a very slight pushing, or pulling feeling as I moved some copper near the sides of the device. This seemed to occur near the top and bottom corners of the device, and the middle band (near where the zip tie is). This feeling happened with a large copper ring, a square of copper, and also with some copper dowsing rods that were fashioned on the spot from some spare grounding wire that David had out in his shed and was kind enough to sacrifice. I have spent some time dowsing in my youth in the northern regions of British Columbia. The rods I made were crossing at the top corners, uncrossing at the middle, and crossing again at the bottom corner. When I say “corners”, I am referring to what you would see as a corner if you looked at this device from the side view. The field seems to emanate in a cone shape by my line of reckoning. One cone from the top, and a cone from the bottom.

I tried moving several items through the field. Among them were silver, gold, neodymium magnets, titanium, copper, vermiculite, and even a small jar of ferrofluid. Copper was the only thing that I was able to feel anything with. I felt something when using the neo-mags also, but that may have been attributed to the steel pipes, so I don’t feel I can really count that.

I witnessed no “bending of light.” David has a laser level that he was demonstrating. He can feel a pushing or pulling on the level in his hand when the beam enters the field. I did not. But like Jetjis, I am not that sensitive. David’s device did seem to have some cold emanating from it, especially near the bottom, perhaps drawn downwards by thermodynamics. David has a telescope that he can feel vibrating when it is directed at the field. I cannot feel that vibration. I wish I could. I did feel at one time when my hand was over the device a warm spot on one small portion (about the size of a quarter) of my hand. It was very unusual.

As I was getting ready to leave, David was on the phone to the fire department to see if he could borrow a FLIR imaging device to see if he can document cold spots. I hope he can. This kind of thing is very hard to document, and I know David is trying so many ways to demonstrate it. I think David was getting frustrated with me because I couldn’t feel it. But I could with the rods. I could with the copper ring. I could with the copper piece. I’m interested to see where this goes.

One thing David gave me was a small scrap of aluminum foil. This foil is special and I will hang onto it. Like all aluminum, it came off the roll not attracted to magnets at all. David has altered it somehow (I will let him explain if he wishes to). Now this foil is attracted to a magnet, and will stick to it like a thin sheet of steel would (only weaker).
Magnetic aluminum. Very interesting.

If anyone has questions about my visit, I will do my best to answer.

David, thank you for having me. Best of success to you. I want very badly for you to succeeed.

NorthWind

[cody]

My aluminum foil straight off the role stuck to a magnet. Im sure aluminum probably contains a small percent of iron from the mining or the recycling process. Those small amounts should be able to retain residual magnetism just like other ferrous materials if subjected to the right conditions. That might be an explanation for the effect you have with the foil.

[ewizard]

Thank you Northwind for you time in checking this out and you honest evaluation which I'm sure was difficult as I'm sure no one hear wants to discourage the enthusiasm david has. In a world which has signs of a major paradigm shift happening at this time it is difficult to say what is true and valid as I believe as Gregg Braden says that the outcome of experiments are affected by the by the belief system of the observer. I think it's also a consideration that there may be variables in this that are not yet understood. I look forward to following this where ever it leads.

[remelic]

this wave is what heat and all EM spectra travel on.

What?

The moon is made of cheese too.

[Harvey]

Thank you Northwind for taking the time to do this for us, greatly appreciated even if it still leaves some things unanswered

David,

I have been thinking about this looking for some way to identify it for those of us who cannot see it. Perhaps the thing to do is make a wide band receiver that will convert the wave into a form we can measure. Here is what I propose:

1. We need an IR thermometer like the one Glen uses in his experiments.

2. We need some thin layers of metals like copper and aluminum foil. A strip wider than your rig is tall and long enough to completely surround the rig with room for wobble and measurements - perhaps a 2" gap all around.

3. Flat black paint.

You may wish to make individual metals or may wish to sandwich them in to a composite, either way. Paint both sides of the final sandwich or individual strips. The assembly should be flat black everywhere. Bring the ends of the strip together to make a cylinder and secure it with glue, staples whatever.

The experiment:

Place the cylinder in a shady spot at a good distance away from your rig or any reflective surfaces and let it adapt to the environment for about 15 minutes. Take readings around it inside and out, about 10 each to get a good average temperature of the surface. Take a temperature reading of your rig - it should be near the same temperature as the cylinder - hopefully. Now bring your rig and place it inside the cylinder and give it a good spin. You can take temp readings on the cylinder and record the time intervals. Be sure to get readings inside and outside.

Repeat the test without spinning it.

You may also like to make a cap for it out of the same materials and see if anything is happening in the vertical plane.

The principle is that these materials trap a very large portion of the EM band and convert them to heat. Since we do not know specifically which frequencies they are yet, or even if they are EM, this will help us show that something is there in those bands if those are the ones it is producing .

Perhaps we will get an opposite effect where the cylinder cools down as the rig sinks thermal energy to emit it at some other frequency

Cheers

[witsend]

There was a recent photo taken from above where the segments on the right appeared large, and the ones on the left appeared smaller, and tilted. Looking at the device, I can assure you that this is not the case at all; it was apparently some kind of anomalous distortion only occurring during imaging.

I think we all understood this to be the case. The fact that the distortion was so marked appears to be anomalous in and of itself. It seems that these effects are subtle and the comfort is that now and then - the distortions can actually be captured.

I was not able to detect any obvious weight changes in objects as he can feel. If anything, weight changes are extremely subtle in my hands. I could not feel any vibrations of objects placed in the field. Again, others apparently more sensitive have felt it according to David.

I WAS able to feel a very slight pushing, or pulling feeling as I moved some copper near the sides of the device. This seemed to occur near the top and bottom corners of the device, and the middle band (near where the zip tie is). This feeling happened with a large copper ring, a square of copper, and also with some copper dowsing rods that were fashioned on the spot from some spare grounding wire that David had out in his shed and was kind enough to sacrifice. I have spent some time dowsing in my youth in the northern regions of British Columbia. The rods I made were crossing at the top corners, uncrossing at the middle, and crossing again at the bottom corner. When I say “corners”, I am referring to what you would see as a corner if you looked at this device from the side view. The field seems to emanate in a cone shape by my line of reckoning. One cone from the top, and a cone from the bottom.

That you felt anything at all even if it was only with copper - is in itself unusual. My own feeling is that this rather endorses Dave's own findings on this device. Clearly a field exists - that distorts light - hence the distortions in the photograph - and that introduces anomlous weight distributions. It does seem that Dave's own sensitivities to this is possibly more enhanced. And your following comment...

I did feel at one time when my hand was over the device a warm spot on one small portion (about the size of a quarter) of my hand. It was very unusual.

Again, here we have evidence of some hot spots - anomalies that result without any apparent reduction in the 'field' - that energy that is holding the rig together.

NorthWind, I must thank you for your report and the evident care and accuracy that you applied to your evaluation of this effect. It seems that you can substatially endorse the findings that Dave pointed to but to a lesser extent. I think that the interest in this device is not only that it has curious effects that are usually ascribed to gravitational fields, but that these effects are localised on a rig that has only been once energised. For example, one would assume that any heat dissipated away from the device would result in a corresponding weakening of the field - this, certainly to fall in line with mainstream teaching on energy transfer.

I also understand the difficulties in describing such subtle phenomena within the constraints of his video recordings. But it strikes me that the experiment is easily duplicated. Perhaps we could all go this route and give our own reports. I'm afraid I've been guilty of outlining tests that Dave could still do. But I realise now that it's not fair on his time or financial constraints. In the light of your own endorsement of these effects - albeit to a lesser extent - I think that this may now be considered warranted and well worth the effort.

I am reminded of a broadcast I saw recently where Bill Gate's design engineer was asked why he lived in the States rather than in England. He answered that the predominant scepticism of the English was not condusive to new thinking, new discoveries. There is something about the All American Attitude that is tailored to new discoveries and I see lots of it on this forum.

Dave - again. Thank you very much indeed for bringing this to our attention. Personally I think it's a discovery. It certainly is anomalous and it may very well have some profound implications regarding conventional thinking on gravity. Just know we're all behind you on this and, if it can be better measured I'm sure we can all rally and do our own tests to show this.

[witsend]

My aluminum foil straight off the role stuck to a magnet. Im sure aluminum probably contains a small percent of iron from the mining or the recycling process. Those small amounts should be able to retain residual magnetism just like other ferrous materials if subjected to the right conditions. That might be an explanation for the effect you have with the foil.

Hi cody. Just something that I think you may have missed. Our mainstream scientists teach us that a magnetic field inside a cylinder simply disappears. In other words, conventional teaching here is that the magnetic field cannot be sustained. Some have proposed that it moves into the 'skin' of the material itself. But - to the best of my knowledge - there is nothing conclusive on this. Your own design - those segmented pieces - puts paid to this as it proves that the field is very much there - even though it's not measurable. I think your design is a very elegant variation on Dave's test and I am wondering how this will work on a toroid. If you can get this to 'hold' in a magnetic lock then we really do have a 'closed' magnetic field. Just to let you know that I'll be trying this - but without the segments. Just a solid pipe bent into a toroid. I want to see if it will generate an axial spin at 180 degrees to the earth's magnetic fields. It'll be interesting.

[Cloxxki]

Indeed great of NorthWidn to have taken the time to help David verify his claims.

Regarding the heat concetration.
David has accounted that the device remains magnetically locked, and exhibiting the effect, for a week (or even longer) after having been energized once. This leads me to conclude very little energy is put in.
In gravity wheels as an analogy, a very small input can move large wheight, as long as they cancel out each other's vertical position.
Am I wrong to conculde that if there would be a warm spot without a cold spot, we'd have big fat over unity? In my simple reasoning, a cold outer and warm inner effect, might somehow be cancelling out. Just like magnets do. Pull on one end, push on the other. Compression, expansion.Without the balance, or being able to tap that thermal effect without breaking the magentic lock, we have something even harder to explain on our hands.