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[Harvey]

Got another model built and uploaded to youtube on centrifugal gravity. Below text is what ive placed in the description of the vid.

Centrifugal Vacuum

Hi Adie123,

I think I must be missing something in your model

When I hear the term "Centrifugal Force" I think of this definition:
Centrifugal Force -- from Eric Weisstein's World of Physics

And I find this animation helpful:
Centrifugal Force - The False Force

And it is fun to imagine certain things like here:
Braingle: 'Merry-Go-Round' Brain Teaser

In that last one, if a person were on a rotating platform as described, in a totally dark room and held a ball with a glowing light in it, then threw the ball across the platform at a speed such that the platform would rotate him to the other side simultaneously whereby he could catch the ball he threw; What would the trajectory of the ball look like to the thrower?

First he sees the ball leaving and curving off to the side, then he sees the ball directly in front of him (as it passes over the center of the platform), and then he sees the ball curving to the other side and coming toward him. From his perspective, there is some mysterious force emanating from the center of the platform he is standing on that pushes the ball back to him in the darkness and makes it do some strange curving motion.

But in reality, the truth is, the ball traveled along a relatively straight path (relative to the room the platform is in) and it is the observer who is rotating.

Here is a simple video demonstrating the rotating reference frames:
YouTube - The Coriolis Force

So while the force is not considered a real force from an outside observer, the effects on a mass being forced to curve by some constraint (centripetal force) when it would rather go straight cannot be ignored:

xkcd: Centrifugal Force


What I seem to have missed, is how this force can have any effect outside of the rotating frame of reference where it would simply disappear. In the last link, the evil genius was not exposed to the force because he was outside the rotating reference frame.

So I don't see the connection between this force and things being attracted to the outside of the rotating ship.

[Jetijs]

Where did Bruce go?
Any new observations?

[jermutin]

Jln

Hey,
I found an interesting page from JLN labs:

Tensile Stress, one Key of the Universe

that seems (at a quick glance) to be related to the Lambright effect. Naudin mentiones anti-gravitational thrust.

A vortex is an open system and it has self-sustained capabilities as long as a differential pressure exists between two layers (see the Vortex in the bottle experiment ). So, if it is possible to generate a double vortex in the Aether it seems possible to build a self-sustained open system to get Free Energy forever from the vacuum itself.

Now, I think that it is possible to use induced vortexes in the Ather for tapping free energy and also to generate spacetime distortion effect (torsion fields) for inducing antigravitational thrust.

J

[Harvey]

Where did Bruce go?
Any new observations?

Didn't he move? Probably squeezing in tests between all the other responsibilities.

I am interested in that sensitive scale test he was talking about.

That could be done with a balance beam with a test object on one side and the scale under the other side. Zero the tare and then bring the object into proximity. Any measurable change in the test object (gravity or EM force interaction) should show on the scale without it having to be in proximity to the device. (There will always be skeptics that claim the scale is affected by the magnetism - so keeping it at a distance is good)

I outlined the test early on, and noticed in the pictures that David had everything he needed right there in the front yard to do it, an old yard swing for a fulcrum and some planks in the planter as a balance beam and plenty of things for a counter weight. But with all the posts and excitement he probably missed my requests.

[Harvey]

Hey,
I found an interesting page from JLN labs:

Tensile Stress, one Key of the Universe

that seems (at a quick glance) to be related to the Lambright effect. Naudin mentiones anti-gravitational thrust.

J

Out of all the experimenters I've seen on the net, I really have a greater respect JLN because of all the time he has put into fully documenting his tests for the rest of us to benefit from. He really is top of the class in that regard and an example to us all.

Wouldn't it be great if one of would take a possibility and turn it into a reality? I'm just as guilty as the next, no ambition and a consummate dreamer. I have hundreds of workable concepts but no desire to bring them into reality mayhaps the time is just not right . . .

[Adie123]

Hi Adie123,

I think I must be missing something in your model

When I hear the term "Centrifugal Force" I think of this definition:
Centrifugal Force -- from Eric Weisstein's World of Physics

And I find this animation helpful:
Centrifugal Force - The False Force

And it is fun to imagine certain things like here:
Braingle: 'Merry-Go-Round' Brain Teaser

In that last one, if a person were on a rotating platform as described, in a totally dark room and held a ball with a glowing light in it, then threw the ball across the platform at a speed such that the platform would rotate him to the other side simultaneously whereby he could catch the ball he threw; What would the trajectory of the ball look like to the thrower?

First he sees the ball leaving and curving off to the side, then he sees the ball directly in front of him (as it passes over the center of the platform), and then he sees the ball curving to the other side and coming toward him. From his perspective, there is some mysterious force emanating from the center of the platform he is standing on that pushes the ball back to him in the darkness and makes it do some strange curving motion.

But in reality, the truth is, the ball traveled along a relatively straight path (relative to the room the platform is in) and it is the observer who is rotating.

Here is a simple video demonstrating the rotating reference frames:
YouTube - The Coriolis Force

So while the force is not considered a real force from an outside observer, the effects on a mass being forced to curve by some constraint (centripetal force) when it would rather go straight cannot be ignored:

xkcd: Centrifugal Force

Hehe, it makes me laugh all this nonesense and brainwashing of people saying this force doesnt exsist.

What I seem to have missed, is how this force can have any effect outside of the rotating frame of reference where it would simply disappear. In the last link, the evil genius was not exposed to the force because he was outside the rotating reference frame.

So I don't see the connection between this force and things being attracted to the outside of the rotating ship.

Some things for you to think about while your thinking

Blackhole (the ones at centers of galaxies) - Its the immense spin that squeezes the core so tight that its mass is gigantic in an extremely small space and pulls all matter around it in. So immense that light cant escape.

A Cars water Pump (sucks water into itself via spinning and vacuum)


Space is a vacuum which ive mentioned a few times already in some of my recent posts and as you know, but i'd like to bring it to the forfront again. The spin of an object would have to be very fast and its mass would need to be significant. My spinning ship was only an example and there would be negligable affect of this force to notice it.

Example- your facing a sphere (in space/vacuum), its not spinning and your just floating where you are and not moving at all (theres no pull on you from this sphere). It starts to spin fast from right to left, at first you dont notice that your beginning to drift to the left and slightly towards the sphere, but as the sphere gets faster and faster, you realise your falling to the sphere, but not straight to its center as you see it. It looks like your falling to the left edge of the sphere. Eventually your speed of decent will be so great that you actually notice the sphere growing as you get closer and closer. Then eventually splat game ooooover

Conclusion- The edge of the sphere thats moving away from you (far left) pulls you towards it like vacuum apparatus, like a pump (dont forget your in a vacuum[space]). The center of the sphere's surface is pulling you left as it passes by. The far right side of the sphere has less effect than the other two combined but pushes you away and to the left. You have varying degrees of affect from the whole surface inbetween them 3 points, but not limited to that one horizontal plane.

Gravity has been staring people in their eyes for such a long time now and its very simple. Huge Spin plus Huge Mass equals gravity. Its just so simple im sorry

I wish i knew someone that had a vacuum generator with a fitted turntable inside HEHE. I would get them to rig some experiments up on this, but problem is it most likely wont work cos the effects will only start at a certain mass/weight.


I think the schooled laws of physics blinds people. Many documentories that ive seen about space etc, have in an instant got me thinking what theyve just told me is a load of bullpoo.

Einstein has flaws in his theories. Let me give you an example. He says its impossible to go faster than the speed of light. If it ever were to happen then we would time travel. Urm yeh right. now let me think..... Hubble space telescope took pictures of a dark patch of sky, no bigger than a pin head. After 11 days of staring at that patch it found over 10k of galaxies, measured to be over 48 Billion lightyears away. Now get this. the big bang was worked out to be 12-14.5 Billion years ago (difference of opinion in many documentaries ive seen). That means that we and the galaxies 48bly away are travelling roughly 4x the speed of light away from each other. If thats so, how can we see them galaxies if we are moving away from them faster than the speed of light. I could go on alot more cos alot of theories have been thrown out there and the science community have beleived them and it doesnt make sense at all.

anyhow, Read witsend's post 26/06/2010 04:08GMT . She puts it into words perfectly on how the schooled/collaged/universitied scientists find it hard to deviate from the holy written science laws

Regards
Adie

[Harvey]

Aide123,

I think you may be mistaken regarding this force and gravity but I have no desire to educate you on the plethora of tests done both on Earth and in space that gives us the truth.

Don't read too much into what people tell you, back it up with your own work and facts. There are many here that will tell you falsehoods about academia because they could not cut it. Prove to yourself that what you believe to be true is true. But it's not good to ask for comments on your work and then attack those who ask questions about it.

I have no use for the words of certain people that never produce facts to support their claims - they are nothing more than trolls looking for a pat on the back from their buddies and have no intention of helping others get to the truth and solve the big questions - instead they stir up trouble and make posts like the one you quoted that does not bring happiness and joy but breeds contempt and hatred. We should be happy that the universities make their experiments available to us so we can learn from them. We should be happy that they teach us how to do the experiments ourselves so we learn the truth. People that post like that do you a dis-service because they are brainwashing you into thinking that learning is bad and they prevent you from progressing. Everything I have given you is absolute truth and can be backed up with your own tests. You wont' get that from those that speak falsehood.

Some questions to ask yourself regarding any person you admire in these forums and their view of academia:

1. This person I admire, what are their posts really trying to accomplish?
a. Are most of the posts just platitudes and self serving attention magnets?
b. Are the posts really trying promote goodness and help others?
c. Do the posts twist the words and meanings of other posters to give false impressions and mislead readers?
2. Does this person say one thing and do another, like bash Universities in one thread and then praise them in another or even work with them in person?
3. If you got to know this person close, would you discover they have friends and relatives they admire with respectable degrees from Universities?


If you look at all of my posts in this thread, you will find that they are here to help others get to the truth. Especially this post.

Can the same be said for all posters?

I think it is important for people of all cultures to be able to work together in social settings to make progress and promote harmony. It is shameful that some purposely join threads to stir up contention with other members. I have a puppy dog that follows me to just about any thread I join who does just that, twisting my posts around and stirring up nonsense. All you need to do is see who posted first and you will see what the real agenda is.

So, if your looking to get along and would like some help just ask, I for one am happy to help where I can. But if your looking to take sides in some global conspiracy against academia I think the admins will frown on that.

[Adie123]

@Harvey - I didnt mean to bash or fight with anyone. Although reading back my post i can understand why you may have thought that. I placed smilies to make sure my paragraphs didnt come out too strongly. They were just the words i could string together quickly before i forgot any points while all the info was being processed in my head lol

As for having too much info thrown at oneself. I think can do more harm than good, was my point. Cos thinking outside the box is needed in many aspects of physics and leaning on already written laws can make one disbelieve ones theories/work.

On the subject of proving. I dont think its possible to prove my theory. Unless i was able to gain access to a planet and stick thousands of jet engines to it (facing the same way ) on its equator and get the planet spinning faster and see its gravity change.

Einstein made theories, but didnt proove a thing and hes been classed as one of or even the scientist that ever lived. He did alright for a person that worked in a patents office that gave approval to inventions and discoveries. lol after typing that its made me wonder if fred blogs shouldve been the E=MC2 guy and not einie lol

Regards
Adie

[witsend]

Hubble space telescope took pictures of a dark patch of sky, no bigger than a pin head. After 11 days of staring at that patch it found over 10k of galaxies, measured to be over 48 Billion lightyears away. Now get this. the big bang was worked out to be 12-14.5 Billion years ago (difference of opinion in many documentaries ive seen). That means that we and the galaxies 48bly away are travelling roughly 4x the speed of light away from each other. If thats so, how can we see them galaxies if we are moving away from them faster than the speed of light. I could go on alot more cos alot of theories have been thrown out there and the science community have beleived them and it doesnt make sense at all.

LOL Adie. I never knew this. At its least it shows us that either the Big Bang theory is wrong or that they've got the dates wrong. Or that the speed of light is somewhat greater than C - God forbid. Priceless piece of informtaion.

I've written it everywhere. I LOVE EINSTEIN. But no-one knew better than Einstein himself that he was wrong. Somewhere. He never could prove the Grand Unifying Principle - which he devoted his life to. Such genius and yet ultimately frustrated in that really brave reach to know.

Here's some questions - still looking for answers. Why is the electron precisely 1836 times less than the proton - yet they have the same charge value albeit opposite? What is a particle - when it's not a wave and vice-versa? The 'uncertainty principle' - which quantum theorists, of necessity - just live with. What causes gravity? Nuances (small unstable particles) what are they? Why do they decay if energy cannot be created or destroyed? Where do they decay to? And why so many of them? What comprises current flow? What is dark matter? What properties cause the 'Forces'? Is there something they hold in common? (unifying theorists. Hundreds of them) - which questions (as a reminder) still include the following - What causes the electromagnetic interaction? What causes the magnetic interaction? What is energy? The thing itself? Why can this never be created nor destroyed? What is 'flame'? Where is 'flame' different to nuclear 'fire'? And on and on.

Plenty of measurements. Careful quantification. Even extraordinary success in predicting effects. But none of their actual properties have been definitely proven. And until they've finally resolved that Grand Unifying Principle - my guess is that they will continue looking. It's like spiralout suggested. There's got to be a simple answer. Occam's razor speaks to this. And something deep inside us seems to call for it. Somewhere. And the simple truth is that NO-ONE KNOWS these answers. The comfort is that our academia acknowledge what they do not know. Certainly amongst physicists. There is a fundamental deep acknowledgement of these questions. The problems are that no self-respecting theorist will propose anything at all - unless he's absolutely certain of the answer. Gone are those golden days when a theorist could make a proposal and have it opened to discussion. Nowadays - there is the need to 'be right' or 'fall on your pen' and die. To find something new is 'glorious' and noteworthy. To merely discuss is of no significance. Such exacting standards and this clamorous reach for scientific acknowledgement rather defeats the need to explore new questions - new perspectives - new anything. Reputations live or die on small errors or changing evidence. The safe road is to study known theories and subscribe to none. Sad but true. Again. Thank goodness for such forums as this and such discussions as this.

EDITED

[IndianaBoys]

try to observe it in as many lighting conditions as possible.

Spiralout,

You may want to give a blue light in a dark room a whirl.
Shade the light so you keep from looking at it directly.
You can locate the light in different positions around the PMH and off to the side. Not a black light but a blue type of light from Target, Kmart, Walmart, etc...

For those skeptical of this, set it up in front of a mirror and look at your own reflection in a relaxed dark setting with the blue light. You may be in for a surprise as to what becomes visible!

IndianaBoys

[witsend]

Spiralout,

You may want to give a blue light in a dark room a whirl.
Shade the light so you keep from looking at it directly.
You can locate the light in different positions around the PMH and off to the side. Not a black light but a blue type of light from Target, Kmart, Walmart, etc...

For those skeptical of this, set it up in front of a mirror and look at your own reflection in a relaxed dark setting with the blue light. You may be in for a surprise as to what becomes visible!

IndianaBoys

Hi Indiana. Can you show us this? Have you got some photographs or a link? I'm sure we'd all like to see this.

[IndianaBoys]

Hi Indiana. Can you show us this? Have you got some photographs or a link? I'm sure we'd all like to see this.

Hi Witsend,

Here is a link to some information related to this:

Kundalini-teacher.com - Mirror meditation

Mirror gazing has been practiced for thousands of years.

The above link refers to using a candle.

A blue light works well to.

I do believe it will be of assistance for those that have a PMH and are looking to see what emanates from it.

IndianaBoys

[witsend]

Adie - I have been trying to get my mind around your centrifugal force number. I watched your Youtube link. Again. Superb graphics. I'm sort of beginning to see how you look at things. And you're in really good company. Clearly many think like you do. I've been watching those videos by SpreadingtheMuse - I think by Bernard Finnigan? Not sure of the first name. Very good indeed. Have you seen them? May be worth a 'look in'.

YouTube - The Physics of Starship Battles: Artificial Gravity and Centrifugal Force

[witsend]

Hi Witsend,

Here is a link to some information related to this:

Kundalini-teacher.com - Mirror meditation

Mirror gazing has been practiced for thousands of years.

The above link refers to using a candle.

A blue light works well to.

I do believe it will be of assistance for those that have a PMH and are looking to see what emanates from it.

IndianaBoys

Thanks Indiana. Just read through it. Not my cup of tea but very interesting. My only concern is that it depends on 'imagined' faces - facts. The point about Dave's LE is that the effects are NOT imagined. Unless the average camera superimposes fantasies on reality.

[Harvey]

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