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  • David, those pieces are tightened very hard, as hard as the zip tie will allow. I can make a coil on each piece, that is not a problem. Will try a different wheel without the motor and spin it by hand and let it "grow" for a while than will see if there is anything
    Thanks
    It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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    • jet..sorry i meant squeeze each section to get a smaller overall diameter....my dimensions are;pipe-1 3/4" outside diameter...2"long split in half...squished in a VICE to about 3/4"....overall diameter 7" .....dont worry i will help you till you get results!!!...david.....i forgot wall thickness1/8" or3/16"....schedule 40 is what we call it on this side...also i was thinking[always] about the way permanent magnets are made...a small magnetic field is introduced first....i did make a 12 section ring and did use those same pieces to make the 24 ..could it be that the sections need to pre-charged??...and i will let you decide what kind of beer...
      Last edited by david lambright; 05-15-2010, 06:29 AM. Reason: forgetfullness

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      • Thanks David, will try that tomorrow It is already late here on the other side of the planet
        I still have some other ideas to try out. Will inform you about my results
        It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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        • Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
          Rave, I tried that too but with no luck, but can you maybe draw a simple diagram how the PMH was attached to the amp meter and battery on that keelynet page? It was not clear for me.
          Thanks,
          Jetijs
          It seems that the ammeter is being used as a field proximity sensor rather than a real ammeter. This means that the internal magnet in the meter is trying to align with the flux in the iron core and thus deflecting the needle. It is acting as a compass, so you you could do the same thing with a compass.

          Notice that when using the power supply he recorded 25A, but when setting the Galvanometer on the rig it measured only 10A with the circuit live. His meter could have been a 'Moving Iron' movement, or any number of other types of 'metal - magnet - coil' arrangements, any of which can be affected by the external field present from the internal closed loop flux in the core.

          In your 24 piece rig there, I would suggest 4 coils 90° from each other all wired in parallel, this part has an important feature if your properly arrange the polarity of each to be the same. They well represent a closed circuit with no need to switch it in or out. Then you can energize all four simultaneously and when you remove the power it will be contained in the coil (until dissipated as heat from the wire resistance). This sets up a symbiotic ringing state where the coil collapse feeds the current in the coil which feeds the flux in the core while the flux in the core pushes back to prevent the collapse. This ringing will decay after a bit, but, during the time it exists it repeatedly stresses the Weiss Domains in the material which can result in a greater internal core flux. As long as those domains stay aligned with the flux, the flux will remain forever as stored energy. By using four coils you minimize the flux degradation shown in my FEMM diagrams.

          Now here is a very important factor to grasp:
          The internal flux can only induce electric currents when there is a change in flux.

          Therefore, if the flux is trapped in a closed loop and cannot be changed, no electric currents are induced.

          Now, that being said - I will take you inside the Weiss Domains to the Iron atoms themselves. Iron is a transition metal and is Ferromagnetic because the spin vectors are aligned parallel. This results in long columns of atoms whose electron orbits are arranged like individual solenoid windings. These long tubes of atoms lay next to each other to form Weiss Domains. Each orbiting electron represents an electrical current and thus has its own magnetic field. The sum total of all those fields adds up to be the core flux. Each electron changes position as it orbits and it is this change that results in the individual magnetic fields. The electrical current represented by each electron in orbit is in the order of MILLIAMPS! There are millions (perhaps billions depending on the size of your material) but many are not aligned and some actually are aligned opposite thus canceling the desired effect. Rare earth alloys tend to prevent those canceling alignments and offer greater quantities of electrons per volume thus giving us very strong magnets.

          The short answer is that as long as the atoms have electrons orbiting them, you can have magnetic flux in perpetuity. The only requirement is that the majority of orbits align together.

          Running electric current in the coils induces a magnetic flux in the elements of David's rig. The induced flux turns each element into a dipole with all dipoles being the same, N on one side, S on the other. Therefore, they all snap together and lock as the N of each attaches to the S of its neighbor. When the the path is closed or looped, the flux holds the weiss domains in position, and the atomic magnetism keeps the flux in place. It remains that way until the loop is broken or some force causes the domains to revert. An opposing external H field or increase in material temperature to the Curie point would most assuredly destroy the internal domain alignment and the elements will lose their magnetism and fall apart. Hysteresis of the material can also cause this to happen.

          "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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          • Thanks Harvey
            Very informative and interesting. Will try your 4 coil setup also. Can you elaborate more why all coils need to be in parallel rather than in series connection?
            Last edited by Jetijs; 05-14-2010, 10:47 PM.
            It's better to wear off by working than to rust by doing nothing.

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            • Found it !!!

              hi all, heres where i saw about using the iron core as part of the electrical circuit together with the coils..

              YouTube - Ed Leedskalnin Magnetic current pt2

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              • re my last post,

                check out his part 3... where he shows that his pmh will pick up paper clips on one leg of the bent steel bolt...but will not pick up them up on the other leg.... monopole??

                YouTube - Ed Leedskalnin Magnetic Current Pt 3


                also shows how he does it in part 4
                Last edited by rave154; 05-14-2010, 11:18 PM.

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                • Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
                  Thanks Harvey
                  Very informative and interesting. Will try your 4 coil setup also. Can you elaborate more why all coils need to be in parallel rather than in series connection?
                  You want the phasing of all the coils to be the same so the field collapse is unified. When you put them in series you have a 90° phase lag in the current for each coil which delays (or distributes) the energy over time - you don't want that, you want a combined energy product to force the domains to align and give you a stronger magnet. There is also the matter of a parallel current path which reduces the resistance both for charging and for the ringing - which means more power (V x I)

                  Which has more effect - 100 drops of water one second apart or 100 drops all at once?
                  "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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                  • new video...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMMFM............david

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                    • how do i start a disclaimer?.......this all too real...thanks Ed...for leaving clues....and to everyone who kept this dream alive.......

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                      • Originally posted by david lambright View Post
                        how do i start a disclaimer?.......this all too real...thanks Ed...for leaving clues....and to everyone who kept this dream alive.......
                        @ David

                        Well done on your re-discovery and never lose the enthusiasm! A tip for you regarding the camera. The problem of viewers not seeing what you are is not so much the camera or compression (therefore don't waste time getting anything fancier), its your ANGLE of viewing. Your last youtube actually shows the effect but probably not where most people are looking. Most will likely be looking at the grassy area BETWEEN PMH and Geode. I saw the distortion vividly around the tip of crystal and enveloped all over your hands.

                        You will be seeing the distortion wave extremely clearly because it is 'thickest' (in haze terminology) when viewed from above looking down through the Geode (and distortion field) towards the device. It is more than apparent from your angle because you have at least 16 inches of distortion wave from your line of sight towards the PMH. On the other hand, setting up ANY camera from the side will only display 1/2 inch at best. Set up the camera tripod looking DOWN above your hands holding the Geode and spin the PMH. That should fix it.

                        Regards

                        TP

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                        • Hi All,

                          I have been following this thread for a while now. Time for me to join in.

                          I bought a real Ford model T magneto a couple of years ago from the US and never did anything with it. Time to dust it off and see what happens.

                          I energised the coil from a 12v battery but havent noticed anything. I only have 16 magnets.

                          Cheers
                          Nat
                          Last edited by nat1971a; 02-10-2012, 08:42 PM.

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                          • IMHO they should stick by the ends.Try to tie them together by ends not in the middles

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                            • i just re-watched Davids last video he posted done outside, and sure enough i CAN SEE the distortion around the tip of the quartz rock both when its stationary and also when its moved, it looks pretty intense

                              it looks a little like the effect used in the movie Predator when it turns invisible.

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                              • Originally posted by Jetijs View Post
                                Thanks David, will try that tomorrow It is already late here on the other side of the planet
                                I still have some other ideas to try out. Will inform you about my results
                                I stll think that because David's platter is aluminium this could be having an effect. Rotating Ali circles create voltage - just a thought.

                                Regards
                                john

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