gravity waves found

[david lambright]

HA!....and now it begins.......thanks to everyone .....a time of discovery!........david

[Harvey]

I stll think that because David's platter is aluminium this could be having an effect. Rotating Ali circles create voltage - just a thought.

Regards
john

IIRC, David's platter is made from a cutting board. He said it was nylon. Most cutting boards are HDPE (High Density Poly Ethylene) or Teflon, but it could be Nylon.

However, the spindle that the platter is fastened to is probably steel and may even have the rotor attached internally even though the stator windings are gutted from the grinder / sander.

[Harvey]

i just re-watched Davids last video he posted done outside, and sure enough i CAN SEE the distortion around the tip of the quartz rock both when its stationary and also when its moved, it looks pretty intense

it looks a little like the effect used in the movie Predator when it turns invisible.

Yes, you can see a blur around the Geode, his hands, the grass behind his legs and even the person walking in the house when viewing in 360p - but I noticed that these artifacts all but disappeared at 720p. At the higher resolution it could be seen that motion is causing changes in the lighting that the digital compression averages out.

David, you have the actual footage prior to uploading, can you see the real effect on the HD footage or only in person? We may need that FLIR or night vision.

Also, would it be possible to set up a balance beam there outside to see the weight changes?

Cheers!

[rave154]

David, see attatchment to this message, i think something like this would show everybody a lot more clearly.

[Cloxxki]

David, see attatchment to this message, i think something like this would show everybody a lot more clearly.

2 thumbs up, with me jumping around like doing a rain dance!

The stand of course, would need to be rigid.

[Harvey]

Gravity Test

This is the simple test I had in mind - sensitive to even micrograms of differential:

[Cloxxki]

This is the simple test I had in mind - sensitive to even micrograms of differential:

Very nice. I'd add a vertical beam fixed to the top board, to indicated seesaw movement. Springs supporting the seesaw would make it more manageable.

[cody]

Update on the project. I resanded all the surfaces on my ring. Just like a regular PMH, if you see light shining through the crack its not sanded good enough. This took many hours and was a real pain in the @$$.




Im sure David and Jetijs are well aware that trying to mess around with 24 peices and keep them straight is also a real pain. So i divided it in half and used a set of magnets to temporarily lock each half together.



I then used epoxy resin with a cotton cloth backing to secure each half and let them cure. Doing this i now only have to deal with two peices and its much easier to mess with now.



I then sanded each mating half surface nice and flat and wound some turns on one half. It holds together much better now. After i charge it i can now pick it up and it wont fall apart from its own weight anymore. Satisfied with the results i then mounted it on an acrylic base with an old harddrive bearing.
After all that i still am not seeing any results Any suggestions David?

[broli]

David thanks for the new videos. I also have a suggestion.

Try to find the best background,for instance a noisy one, to get the best contrast for this effect. When you have found such background film the setup with maximum optical zoom so the setup takes up most of the screen. This will reduce the anti aliasing artifacts. Try to film it from and angle where the center and background can be seen.

If you have met these guidelines I advice you to let the camera stay put and rotate the wheel slightly and do your other usual demos.

I know you are not a film director but consider this the least thing you can do for now until more have replicated and shared.

Again thanks for all your work.

[nat1971a]

Here's the schematic from the model t engine. Ed has pretty much used the entire magneto assembly from the engine plus the crank shaft and handle

I think the base of ed's and davids machine must be playing an important role if it works on the basis of implosion principles

[Harvey]

@ David

Well done on your re-discovery and never lose the enthusiasm! A tip for you regarding the camera. The problem of viewers not seeing what you are is not so much the camera or compression (therefore don't waste time getting anything fancier), its your ANGLE of viewing. Your last youtube actually shows the effect but probably not where most people are looking. Most will likely be looking at the grassy area BETWEEN PMH and Geode. I saw the distortion vividly around the tip of crystal and enveloped all over your hands.

You will be seeing the distortion wave extremely clearly because it is 'thickest' (in haze terminology) when viewed from above looking down through the Geode (and distortion field) towards the device. It is more than apparent from your angle because you have at least 16 inches of distortion wave from your line of sight towards the PMH. On the other hand, setting up ANY camera from the side will only display 1/2 inch at best. Set up the camera tripod looking DOWN above your hands holding the Geode and spin the PMH. That should fix it.

Regards

TP

I wanted to bring this forward just in case it was overlooked before - TP makes a very good point regarding viewing angle and wave diffusion. If the waves are polarized, a side image may be looking through a transverse section where little diffusion occurs, whereas a top down view can have all sorts of reflections and diffusion.

Imagine a wave tank with a light shining down on it. Looking through the side of the tank you will not see hardly any refraction, reflection or diffusion of the light - but looking straight down, as each wave passes, the incident angle on the surface will play havoc with the overhead light, reflecting, diffusing and refracting it. So the observation point clearly plays a part relative to the light source and the interference waves.

Another thing too - don't overlook the value of a cheap disposable camera - you know, those yellow cardboard boxed ones at the drug-store. These have better resolution than most digital systems. Snapshots can tell a lot when they capture the event and with 19200 DPI on average, real film can be zoomed in much better. I think you have to get close to 8M pixel to provide that resolution with digital. (Thanks Glen, for reminding me of this)

Keep up the good work there David, every little bit gets us closer to the truth

[ewizard]

@ David

Well done on your re-discovery and never lose the enthusiasm! A tip for you regarding the camera. The problem of viewers not seeing what you are is not so much the camera or compression (therefore don't waste time getting anything fancier), its your ANGLE of viewing. Your last youtube actually shows the effect but probably not where most people are looking. Most will likely be looking at the grassy area BETWEEN PMH and Geode. I saw the distortion vividly around the tip of crystal and enveloped all over your hands.

You will be seeing the distortion wave extremely clearly because it is 'thickest' (in haze terminology) when viewed from above looking down through the Geode (and distortion field) towards the device. It is more than apparent from your angle because you have at least 16 inches of distortion wave from your line of sight towards the PMH. On the other hand, setting up ANY camera from the side will only display 1/2 inch at best. Set up the camera tripod looking DOWN above your hands holding the Geode and spin the PMH. That should fix it.

Regards

TP

Good idea for david if he can attach the camera on his shoulder or get really geeky and attach to his head But yes I did finally see what I believe is a bit of distortion around his hand. Still hard to see and could almost be video distortion but my best guess is it was what david is seeing and describing here.

[Harvey]

Here's the schematic from the model t engine. Ed has pretty much used the entire magneto assembly from the engine plus the crank shaft and handle

I think the base of ed's and davids machine must be playing an important role if it works on the basis of implosion principles

Thanx Nat,

Great pics - I hadn't realized that Ed was using the Crank Bearings to support his rig in the vertical like that.

But he must have mounted the handle on the back side there so he could turn it. Was that just for alignment purposes, or did he get it really get it spinning? I haven't read his books, so I don't know what he said he used this for.

Also, something I was wondering, did the Model T have a toothed flywheel? or were they crank start only? I see a starter there in one of the pics of Ed's stuff.

[nat1971a]

Hey guys,

I was just looking at the rest of my orginal ford model T magneto assembly and I have DISCOVERED SOMETHING. Well actually verified something that I have read elsewhere about this unit being self running. In the first picture up the top is two half sphere holes for cow magnets. The second photo is the otherside and i have placed a magnet in position of where it should be i think.
The 3rd picture is of some cow magnets as i didnt know what they were.

This discovery probably wont mean anything to anybody unless you read the following:- I have underlined the relevant parts about cow magnets and being a self runner. I wonder if Ed rediscovered this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Model T Magnetic Modification

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Model T Magnetic Engine - 04/06/97
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Recently, KeelyNet was provided with some anecdotal information that linked John Keely to Henry Ford, Sr.. I have been holding off on posting what was said because our contact offered to write the story up with as much detail as he could provide. It is now almost two weeks since the conversation and nothing has been forthcoming, so from a 'webtime' perspective, it is due.
Please understand this is just another intriguing 'spook story' at this point. It is not being presented as fact, but as it was told to me and I thought you'd also like to read about it.
The Model T used a hand-cranked magneto starting system to provide the spark that exploded the gas to move the pistons. This is how a lawnmower produces the spark needed to keep its engine running.
The flywheel as I understand it, had very strong magnets embedded in it. The bell housing that surrounded the flywheel had coils of wire which would produce a nasty high voltage spark when the flywheel rotated the magnetic field past the coils. This spark is what ignited the gasoline in the cylinders.
The magneto type starting system had to be hand cranked to get the motor running, and the burning gasoline would keep it running once started.
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When automobiles were first being developed, there was serious competition between the various inventors vying to be first to market and in a big way.
The vested interests did not want automobiles because it would change their world, requiring them to alter their business stance or adapt to a new world where competition would run rampant. Competition means hard work to stay even or get ahead of the pack, so life is easier when everything is crystallized and fixed. The comfort zones were well established and would be maintained any way they could.
The first year model Ts built by Ford had a special flywheel and housing that was said to have been designed by John Worrell Keely and sold to Henry Ford. Ford bought the design as a form of insurance because of all the harassment he was getting from vested interests not wanting to see him succeed.
After 20,000 to 30,000 cars went out, Ford was threatened by oil and gas interests trying to coerce him to shut down production. It was not made clear who these forces were or why they were trying to put Ford out of business.
After the first year of manufacturing Model Ts, efforts were renewed to shut Ford down. At this point, Ford then gave THEM an ultimatum, either leave he and his family alone or he would send every Ford Model T owner a set of cow magnets which fit in special slots that were cut into the bell housings on the first year run of cars. This bell housing was cast into the engine block and not a separate unit as on modern vehicles. The flywheels were the hand cranked units having Vee magnets. They were magnetos that when cranked, moved the magnets past a coil to produce a very high voltage/current to spark the plugs. It produced a vicious spark.
Once the cow magnets were placed in the slots, the hand crank was turned and the flywheel would spin on its own, generating up to 40 HP and completely self running.
You had to get the flywheel spinning to a minimum rpm before the magnetic drive effect would take place.
Ford told his opponents that all Model T owners would then be running their cars for FREE, not requiring any gasoline or other fuel. And that the principle would be copied and applied to all machinery.
Once Ford's opposing forces verified the truth of this, they instantly ceased all attempts at intimidating Ford and his company succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
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My contact said there were three fellows who got wind of this story several years ago. They secured a first-run Model T and found it did indeed have strange slots on the bell housing. Magnets were inserted and when they cranked it, the flywheel began to spin on its own. Based on this initial verifying experiment, they eventually produced a 40hp version which was self-running, using the same magneto system.
A demonstration was scheduled in a larger city and two of the men drove the prototype to the demonstration, the third man was ill and could not attend.
The demonstration went off without a hitch and was enthusiastically received. Plans and contacts were made for duplicating the prototype for further tests that would be followed by marketing.
As the two men were driving home late that evening with their prototype, their vehicle was run off the road.
The next day, their vehicle was found overturned, both bodies lying in a ditch with their throats slit and the prototype was gone.
The third man who had been too ill to attend the demonstration packed up everything and went into hiding.
Word is, this man is still alive, very paranoid, yet he has not given up on the principle and has gone even further in his development of the principle.
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I found several pages on the web which provide further insight into this story. One in particular provides information indicating that Ford intended the Model T to be run on ETHANOL, not gasoline, because it was a renewable fuel. This could have been the bone of contention with the gas/oil companies. Check out ETHANOL for that page.
The original vehicle produced in 1903 was the Model A, of which about 1,700 were produced. Check out MODEL A for first run details.
For a history of the car in question, check out Ford Model T .
Various other files relating to Henry Fords life and the history of the Ford Motor Company can be found at Ford Bio 1, another version Ford Bio 2, yet another at Ford Bio 3 and a puzzler called Did You Know?
There was another file that provided some details on the legal battles between an inventor named Selden, who had patented the concept of the 'horseless carriage' and thus had a hold on any motorcar. It is located at Ford History.
One final URL that was quite amusing and indicates that electric starters on early automobiles were not in use until around 1920 is located at Hand Cranking.
Henry Ford Sr. was born July 30th, 1863 and died on April 7th, 1947. Keely died in 1898. So there is a nearly a 40 year period when they could quite possibly have known each other.
Ford did make trips to Manhattan and being of an inventive mind would have heard of Keely, who was written up in many papers and magazines from 1872 until his death in 1898. It is not too much of a stretch to envision Ford attending one or more of Keely's many public demonstrations (as did Tesla who I have NO DOUBT copied much of Keely's discoveries using electric current instead of mechanically produced vibrations, but that is another story soon to be posted).
Also note that many prominent businessmen and socialites were Keely sponsors and supporters which would also have gotten the attention of the young Ford since he was also trying to establish a business and would take any edge he could use.
You are probably wondering how Keely could have come up with a self-sustaining magnetic engine design since he worked primarily with acoustics. Quite simple really, since his motors used acoustic forces to drive them, it follows that the pattern is the same for any ALTERNATING energy flow, including magnetism.
Here are two version of his motors, Keely Motor 1 and Keely Motor 2.
The various claims for PMMs (perpetual motion machines), whether magnetic or gravity driven, always require a restorative kick to keep it running. This follows for the current Hamel device where he uses wobbling cones to restore the rotational force.
A flywheel or weighted arm mounted on a horizontal shaft so that it rotates in a vertical plane, will fall by the force of 'gravity' and inertia will push it past the 180 degree point and up to about 270 plus degrees. At that point, you have to use a 'kicker' to push it past the 360 degree point so that the rotation will perpetuate.
Just like pushing someone in a swing, if you time your pushes just right, you can drive them in ever higher arcs and eventually over the 360 mark.
Panasonic manufactures an ultrasonically driven motor that could provide a template for a permanent magnet version and there is a patent for an automobile engine which uses vibrating plates.
Years ago, back in the late 60s or early 70s, there was a fellow out in Lubbock, Texas, who had a model car about 18 inches long. It had a very large electrically driven tuning fork with linkages attached to the tines of the fork.
Because it was electrically driven, it only used a 9 volt battery and the inventor claimed you could use a 6 volt lantern battery to run your automobile. The key was that it used the resonance of the fork to produce high amplitude mechanical forces. That mechanical drive was diverted to the wheels of the car. The guy never patented it because he was bought out by a large oil company.
One other point about the Model T claim is the engine used a weighted crankshaft, that was why the vehicles would vibrate from side to side due to the inertial kick of the weight. I am also told that these engines could also idle at very low rpms, something on the order of 100 or so revolutions per minute.
This story is definitely out there but should be fairly easy to prove. We are checking into it as much as we can with our limited resources.
Perhaps someone out there has access to a Model A or a Model T and can examine the bell housings on these vehicles. At this point, I think the weighted crankshaft would be necessary to the operation of the magnetic engine since it would provide the restorative force.
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[Harvey]

The Bell Housing is the portion of the block that surrounds the flywheel and sorta looks like a bell. The slots would need to be accessible from the outside of the engine if the owners could insert the magnets.

It's a strange article where V magnets, Cow magnets and coils somehow make a motor run by itself