gravity waves found

[witsend]

how much heat energy does it take to "bend" light?.....?did i win the darwin award?

I am sorry that you didn't get more interest to view your rig. I think it is sad and sorry truth that people just don't care enough about science.

You ask how much 'heat' it takes to bend light? I don't know that 'heat' CAN bend light. I rather doubt it. Light always travels in a straight line. It can be deflected off different materials and, from different densities such as water. This may give the appearance of a 'bend' I suppose. But light itself always travels in a straight line. The only thing that is understood to 'bend' light is gravity - and then the understanding is that light will follow the line of gravity. This much of Eistein's theory has been conclusively proven and was the very test that rocketed him from relative obscurity to immediate international fame.

There is nothing between your camera and your rig other than air. If there were 'heat' being generated anywhere between these two then the air molecules - atoms - would be dispersed and agitated that one would see interference. This would - at it's most - cloud and obscure the sight of the rig. It would be a rare 'heat' phenomenon that first put any such photographed objects into clear focus let alone give them a 'shape distortion' with the clarity that both your photographs and your videos do.

The simple fact is that unless light is actually being 'bent' there is no known explanation for the distortions that you are both seeing and showing - and that with such extraordinary clarity. To me the example that defies all sense is the 'lambright wobble'. Sounds like a dance step. LOL. There - not only is there a distinct interference but that interference seems to generate a kind of 'resonance' all of itself.

Then regarding the anomalies of weight. I take it that there is a tangible 'pull' of heavy objects towards the centre of the rig. You do not need to weigh in on the degree of 'pull' - but it would be nice. Meanwhile I trust to your reporting of this as well as others. Such 'values' are subtle. One does not doubt that one magnet can pull another magnet towards itself. Nor does one doubt that metal objects can be 'drawn' towards a magnetic field. Neither event change the apparent 'weight' of either object. Yet no-one in their right mind would deny that 'pull'. What is intriguing here is that the 'pull' is not confined to magnetisable material. It seems to 'cross all boundaries' which, in itself - speaks to a gravity field rather than a pure magnetic field. If this same field is also changing the molecular distribution of air around the rig it would speak to the effect even more strongly. But that 'bending of the light' that would be required to give those distortions? That cannot be explained by the redistribution of molecules and atoms in that 'atmosphere'.

So take heart David. You're at an early stage of something. Don't be persuaded that the effects are trivial. If we were to ignore all such events as trivialities then I very much doubt any scientific progress would ever have been made. I think I know something of how you feel. You have definitely NOT won the Darwin award.

[rave154]

David,

i think the best/easiest way to determine wether or not it is the camera alone producing the odd optical effects is as follows...

take a piece of card, circular, roughly the same diameter as your rig, using a thick marker pen just roughly draw the same shapes as you have when looking down at your rig, ie :- the circle of outward pointing "U" shapes....mount the whole thing on a nail which is pointing upwards....to enable you to spin it... doesnt matter if it wobbles ( your rig wobbles too )...

spin it & film it.

Hope this helps

[teslaproject]

Viewing angle

exactly...but what i am asking is a hot piece of metal will distort the image behind it, correct?..how much heat does it take to do this?....to say blur a photographic image?....david

Here again, sorry if my answer seems frustrating but it is a 'how long is a piece of string' query.

It really depends on your 'plane' of view and how much distortion 'depth' you are looking through. The greater the depth, the LESS heat required....it's proportional. Let me illustrate...Mirage effects (the silver sheen that looks like water on a dry hot lake)....if you squat really low to the ground (increasing the depth of view through the distortion), you can actually see mirage effects close up on a relatively 'cooler' day. However, if you jump on a high step ladder or into a helicopter for a birds eye view, the sheen will vanish and only be visible far on the horizon if it is a REALLY hot day.

Regards

TP

[CatLady]

Bending Light

If light can't be bent then how do glasses and contact lenses work?

I think Harvey might be right when he said light bends when it moves from one material to another with different density.
Invisibility-Cloak Materials Bend Light "Backward"

[witsend]

If light can't be bent then how do glasses and contact lenses work?

CatLady, Light can be defracted, refracted, deflected and reflected. You can manipulate light in multiple ways through multiple mediums. But light is not known to bend other than in a gravitational field. Always it travels in a straight path. Possibly you're referring to some new knowledge that is not generally known. In which case you may very well be right. Mainstream go to some lengths to explain that light DOES NOT BEND except in a gravitational field. In fact I was referring to Teslaproject's observations where he likens light to a bullet's path. I think it's a neat analogy. Hit something and the bullet may well 'veer off course'. The same with light. But the difference is that light - once it's reflected, deflected, refracted or defracted - then it just continues in a straight line. That's its nature.

Technically, if light could bend it would be theoretically feasible to design a light source that bends around itself and therefore is never emitted from its source. Unlikely. But nice if it were possible for purposes of energy conservation. Then hell of it is that we'd never see that light unless it was also emitted from that source. So it's value would be negated.

[enessilergo]

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[witsend]

Here again, sorry if my answer seems frustrating but it is a 'how long is a piece of string' query.

It really depends on your 'plane' of view and how much distortion 'depth' you are looking through. The greater the depth, the LESS heat required....it's proportional. Let me illustrate...Mirage effects (the silver sheen that looks like water on a dry hot lake)....if you squat really low to the ground (increasing the depth of view through the distortion), you can actually see mirage effects close up on a relatively 'cooler' day. However, if you jump on a high step ladder or into a helicopter for a birds eye view, the sheen will vanish and only be visible far on the horizon if it is a REALLY hot day.

Regards

TP

I agree. Provided always that we're talking about 'hot air'. Not sure that there's that much heat between Dave's camera and his rig. But I'm open to correction.

[teslaproject]

Indeed

I agree. Provided always that we're talking about 'hot air'. Not sure that there's that much heat between Dave's camera and his rig. But I'm open to correction.

Oh, I agree with you witsend (about heat not being involved here) however, I'm pretty sure we have been just using the heat distortion analogy to illustrate visual light deflection (I was anyway ).

Regards

TP

[witsend]

Oh, I agree with you witsend (about heat not being involved here) however, I'm pretty sure we have been just using the heat distortion analogy to illustrate visual light deflection (I was anyway ).

Regards

TP

TP I get it. You're right.

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

Light doesn't need to be BENT for it's direction to change.....
A photon hits an atom.... an electron in the atom absorbs the photon....
The electron bumps up a level for a short period of time....
The electron falls back to its original stage, and emits a new photon of a new wavelength...

If you've got some kind of magnetic interaction going on, then the electrons/ions around the thing would clearly be moving..... Could it be that the electron holds the temporarily higher energy state for longer than usual, long enough to physically move to a different position before it kicks out a photon, so that new photon is traveling in a slightly different path?

[enessilergo]

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[david lambright]

now we are getting some where!

If light can't be bent then how do glasses and contact lenses work?

I think Harvey might be right when he said light bends when it moves from one material to another with different density.
Invisibility-Cloak Materials Bend Light "Backward"

if this energy form is what i say it is, these materials must reflect this energy in exactly the same way...if i could get a sample...way past my payscale!.....david

[david lambright]

ZERO heat!

I agree. Provided always that we're talking about 'hot air'. Not sure that there's that much heat between Dave's camera and his rig. But I'm open to correction.

there is no heat being generated...the distortions are made by this energy wave...that is why i was asking about the heat....the heat from a torch can be seen in a shadow or ....i saw a video about this screen... you have seen this setup before,i will bet.....people at saturday market were saying it looked like gas fumes or heat.....i will bet that "screen" setup will be revealing........david

[david lambright]

cereal...

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[witsend]

This thread is getting weird. Can someone explain the relevance of enessilergo's posts. It gives a kind of 'theatre of the absurd' dimension to a topic that is itself becoming somewhat crytic.

Light may bend. I have no idea of these new technologies. But it strikes me that there is no conclusive evidence of this and the proof, if extant, is only managed under some exotic technologies. The simple rule is that light irradiates outwards in a straight line from the source. It can be deflected, reflected, refracted and defracted. That's it. Certainly there is nothing in Dave's rig that includes any strange materials required to generate 'dark light' or to angle it that it can bend around corners as apparently managed by the 'invisibility cloak'. And even there it strikes me that there is a graduated angling of the light that it describes a 'bend' rather than actually moving into a true angular path.