gravity waves found

[Aromaz]

From Wiki. I'ts not my 'idea' I assure you. Photons are classified 'neutral' and have never been known to be influenced by electric or magnetic fields.

Composition: Elementary particle
Particle statistics: Bosonic
Group: Gauge boson
Interaction: Electromagnetic
Symbol(s): γ, hν, or ħω
Theorized: Albert Einstein
Mass: 0
<1×10−18 eV[1]
Mean lifetime: Stable[1]
Electric charge: 0
<1×10−35 e[1]
Spin: 1


This may very well be wrong. But it IS mainstream thinking at present.

EDITED. I corrupted the copy - this one refers. sorry

Photons = "Particle" ? ? ? Even in conventional science that is not true.
Well at least the biggest protion of them, though gamble safe with Wave-Particle.

Who can argue with that? I will lift out two key phrases:

"Albert Einstein" - Everything we have today was build on the maths of Albert instein; and all of mainstream science 'worship' him like God. Forget the issue that most of his 'knowledge' are now found to be that from other "lesser minded" (or funded) people before his publications.

IMHO Compatriot Tesla was way out more correct - and proven so in reality. And Tesla's thoughts of Einstein with his theories are reflected in my attitude.

"mainstream thinking" - well according to the mainstream thinking COP>1 nevermind COP>17 is not possible. Above all; everyone thinking of possible alternative energy like this forum are crazy.

Albert Enstein = Conventional Mainstream Thinking.
Nikola Tesla (and others) = Alternative (practical) experimenters.

I yield, both have value!

Back to photons: If photons have no charge, then why is it that light does bend around heavenly bodies; where we could see it in real life?

[thekubiaks]

David are you available

David,
I have been following this thread since it began as well as those that have attempted to duplicate your findings. I can fly into Portland on Wednesday or Thursday of this week and then drive to Salem either day to take a look at your device. Are you available either of those days. I will have the entire day available.

[david lambright]

Again. As discussed, we have strange distortions resulting in both the static and the moving condition of Dave's rig. One proposal put forward was that it is fairly common for light to 'bend'. If this is true then Dave's apparent 'distortions' on his rig are trivial and easily explained. This may very well prove to be the case.

However, perhaps we should first consider what we know about photons. They're neutral. They are not affected by a magnetic field. They are not affected by an electric field. They have no preference to move towards or away from the positive or the negative charge of any particle. And being neutral, they do not obey the 'exclusion principle'. They can and do 'share a path'. Irradiated light can be seen as 'streaming' out from its source in clearly shared paths. Photons have no rest state and no single photon has ever been held in a fixed location in space and in time - as has been achieved with electrons, protons and for some limited periods, even neutrons.

It is my understanding and, as explained by TeslaProject - the path that light follows is always in a straight line. Dave's rig has no special material to enable light to be continuously changed to enable it to 'bend' through space and in time. He has nothing between the camera and the rig except air. The distortions persist - at least as long or longer than his camera shutter speed. So it is unlikely to be due to vagaries of his equipment. It is also unlikely that the objects actually do expand and grow or shrink to a smaller relative size. So any distortions are probably due to light.

So then, and rightly so, it's proposed that changes in the air pressure - due to sharp gradients between hot and cold - may account for this distortion. If so, then then the simple test would be to open your fridge door and film it. If there is a resulting distortion to the size and shape of the objects in the fridge then this thesis would be proven. Conversely if there is no distortion then the thesis will be disproved. If the exposure depends on a more isolated evidence of hot and cold, then film an ice tray in free space. Personally I'm inclined to predict that no such distortions will be evident. But that's only my opinion. I'll try this tomorrow - in any event.

I have never heard of light being influenced by 'heat'. What I know is that light will deflect off the molecules and atoms in the air. Given a hot atmosphere there may be some distortions resulting from that heat - a kind of turbulence. But this would 'obscure' the image rather than enhance it as is seen in a heat wave. I am not talking about the 'long range' effect of a heat wave. Just the space between Dave's camera and that rig.

Again, I am of the opinion that the distortions in Dave's videos are the result of some gravitational anomaly that also requires more investigation. I personally do not see it as a trivial event due to vagaries related to environment or atmosphere around the rig. But I will do my own tests to see if I can help hone in and clarify this effect.

wit, you are too kind. many thanks to you ....your posts are clear and to the source....we will talk soon....also i do not know which languages for skype...you read about the demo---nobody came..LOL...i had a feeling!!..this saturday will be wayway better i promise ....also.. the shadow gram works.....perfecting my low budget tecnique now.video soon.........david

[david lambright]

excellent!

David,
I have been following this thread since it began as well as those that have attempted to duplicate your findings. I can fly into Portland on Wednesday or Thursday of this week and then drive to Salem either day to take a look at your device. Are you available either of those days. I will have the entire day available.

thursday is good for me...get with me at...david.lambright@hotmail.com for details...also northwind, thanks for being the first to come and see for your self[even if you only "felt"it]....i left a message on your cell!....i would like to thank you all for helping........david

[thekubiaks]

David,
Looking forward to meeting you Thursday, email sent. For those that are monitoring and experimenting with this discovery, please list what kind of tests you would like me to run and what questions you would like answered. You can PM me with the questions you would like asked as well as tests to run. Cheers.

[david lambright]

tests

David,
Looking forward to meeting you Thursday, email sent. For those that are monitoring and experimenting with this discovery, please list what kind of tests you would like me to run and what questions you would like answered. You can PM me with the questions you would like asked as well as tests to run. Cheers.

i am excited....testing is awesome as long the tests do not include...."if the unit could rotate quietly, I would also acquire 3 or 4 identical cardboard boxes and have someone hide the unit beneath one of them. Using the laser light and the pushing or 'pressure'/bending effect that you've cited I would then self-test the accuracy of the ability to correctly identify which box the unit was under. This, over the course of say; ten attempts composed of three tries each noting the results. No detection with metals allowed because the unit is magnetized. Nor with the geode because no one knows its metallic content."....quote from someone...any way i am excited..do you mind video for youtube ??i believe it is the look on their faces when they see it first...you will not be disappointed, promise........david...also any questions for me ...let me know!!!!...cheers and thanks

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

Spin it with a pair of bucking coils in the middle connected in series.

[david lambright]

shadowgram works!

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[witsend]

Photons = "Particle" ? ? ? Even in conventional science that is not true.
Well at least the biggest protion of them, though gamble safe with Wave-Particle.

Hi Aromaz. You're right. I believe that mainstream propose that all particles can be both a wave and a particle. It's known as the wave particle duality. What's stated here, in essense, is that the properties of a particle can never be entirely known because in a 'rest state' they may not have the same properties that they evince in a 'wave form'. In effect one may know something about the velocity and charge of a particle as a wave. One may know something about the mass, charge and spin of the particle in it's artificial 'rest state'. But one cannot know if, as a wave, it still has the same properties that are evident in its rest state. Heisenberg identified this as the 'uncertainty principle'. But our quantum mechanics are pragmatists. They decided that it was better to live with this puzzle and 'move on' - so to speak. The other real merit to such attitudes is that it enabled the systematic unravelling of the atom. Before this all was speculative. What they did - which is extraordinary and brilliant - is then develop and prove the periodic table based on this very limited knowledge. A relatively modern miracle of pure scientific reasoning.

IMHO Compatriot Tesla was way out more correct - and proven so in reality.

I agree with you. But Tesla's thinking, his theories, are not availabe to us. I believe all his writings were appropriated after his death and thereafter buried - probably in some Quasi Governmental archive. Personally I see this as a kind of self-interested censorship that has it's moral equal to Savonarola's rampant destruction of non-religious art during the Renaissance. And it has the tragic equal to the burning of the works housed in the Alexandrian Library. Personally I do not know what his theories are. I just know that he defied Einstein's famous equation E=mc^2 when he stated words to the effect that he saw himself as the first person to know that energy does not come from matter. Like you, I share this opinion. This, more than anything, is why I am most anxious to see your thesis. I had a shrewd idea it would relate to Tesla's knowledge and, personally, I would be delighted to learn more of this thinking.

"mainstream thinking" - well according to the mainstream thinking COP>1 nevermind COP>17 is not possible. Above all; everyone thinking of possible alternative energy like this forum are crazy.

Indeed. Mainstream thinking here has been guided by that attitude that came with the inception of quantum mechanics, articulated in quantum electrodynamics, quantum gravity, and on and on. Effectively by not answering the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle the new emphasis simply required that any thesis confirmed to 'observed realities'. Not bad. Just not enough. It seems to carry with it the same attitude that 'if it works - use it'. Personally I see the spread of this attitude as the root cause of our profligate energy uses. That science and scientific knowledge can be seen as the exclusive legal property of any one person over another speaks to a dubious moral right. Especially if and as such technology is required for the good of the majority. In terms of energy uses - it is also the overwhelming majorty that requires this.

Regarding mainstream's acceptance or otherwise of breaches to our energy barriers - which have been conclusively proved on forums such as this - I argue that the explanation for this is still well within observed scientific realities. To my mind, it seems that mainstream have gone to some extraordinary lengths to deny the very laws they first developed. The abundance of and potential in aether energy is just another example of this. It's just that they prefer to refer to it as 'dark energy'. Somehow this makes it more politically correct.

Albert Enstein = Conventional Mainstream Thinking.
Nikola Tesla (and others) = Alternative (practical) experimenters.

I yield, both have value!

I think we'd be ill advised to ignore what science already knows. But by the same token it seems that mainstream adhere to certain beliefs associated with Thermodynamic Laws. It is my opinion that 'belief' has no place in science. Theology perhaps. Science - definitely not!

Back to photons: If photons have no charge, then why is it that light does bend around heavenly bodies; where we could see it in real life?

This is the puzzle. Light is known to move in a straight line and yet it can only bend in what is seen as a gravitational field. I believe all scientists everywhere are trying to answer this question. If answered we'd know what the properties of gravity are. Right now very little is understood about gravity. Einstein himself could not reconcile gravity into his Grand Unifying Theory. Nobody else has managed it either. What is known, unequivocally, is that light is not affected by magnetic fields or by electric fields. If it were then we'd be very familiar with the kind of distortions that David sees on his rig. Einstein is my hero - quite simply because he admitted what he did not know. Physics today is fraught with some kind of pride in knowing all things. It is absurd. God alone knows all things. Most of mainstream have even stopped asking questions. Their only apparent quest is to keep on 'using' whatever 'works'. It would be nice to get back to those questions.

I think we're on the same side here Aromaz.

[david lambright]

hi

wit....i have been writing a paper you might like check out.....any way..i think matt emery should get the #2 right after bruce....but wit...you have been here since i started posting....less than a month....this is getting good i hope you dont mind me sending posts to family&friends......the model is changing to fit the facts....lovely! we will talk soon.....david thank you again...

[witsend]

wit....i have been writing a paper you might like check out.....any way..i think matt emery should get the #2 right after bruce....but wit...you have been here since i started posting....less than a month....this is getting good i hope you dont mind me sending posts to family&friends......the model is changing to fit the facts....lovely! we will talk soon.....david thank you again...

Golly Dave Whatever floats your boat. LOL Just a caveat. I am NOT AN AUTHORITY. Not on anything. Frankly I'm rather proud of the fact. Otherwise I may be tempted to think that I know enough about anything at all. God forbid. That would make life rather boring.



EDITED. Btw - I think we'd all be anxious to see your thesis here Dave. Certainly I would. Is it possible to send me a pdf? Something? Most anxious to see where your thinking comes into this.

[witsend]

i am excited....testing is awesome as long the tests do not include...."if the unit could rotate quietly, I would also acquire 3 or 4 identical cardboard boxes and have someone hide the unit beneath one of them. Using the laser light and the pushing or 'pressure'/bending effect that you've cited I would then self-test the accuracy of the ability to correctly identify which box the unit was under. This, over the course of say; ten attempts composed of three tries each noting the results. No detection with metals allowed because the unit is magnetized. Nor with the geode because no one knows its metallic content."....quote from someone...any way i am excited..do you mind video for youtube ??i believe it is the look on their faces when they see it first...you will not be disappointed, promise........david...also any questions for me ...let me know!!!!...cheers and thanks

LOL Just seen this post. I think this is the typical thinking of an armchair experimentalist flirting with some dubious logic.

[enessilergo]

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[david lambright]

schlieren

i found an article on schlieren...then to a company correlated solutions....THIS was what i was talking about.....this type of photography will help unlock this energy wave!!...david

[witsend]

Schlieren Photography - Ian.Org

I think that's the link. Indeed very interesting. I think you had similar in the interference pattern on your screen.