gravity waves found

[Jetijs]

Hi all.
I have decided to wait for what Bruce will have to say when he receives Davids device, if he won't see anything, then there is only one option left - geographic location. To verify this, the last test would be if someone we know from the forum would visit David and verify that the effect can be seen there. I have tried several other modifications of the wheel with no luck. So the only thing left I can try is the laser cut wheel, but I have no clue when that is going to be. But don't get me wrong, I believe David has something, it is just not certain what are the most important aspects for it to work. On another note, we have been able to get aluminum from soft drink cans magnetized - this is encouraging and makes a lot of amazement in people when this info is shared So far I am not sure about if the magnetization is permanent, We magnetized one piece of aluminum 2 days ago and it is still magnetic. Also it is well known that when heated to high temperatures most of the magnets lose their magnetic properties. We heated the aluminum piece to near its melting point, but it still retained its magnetic properties.

[david lambright]

mail has arrived

i just got off the phone with bruce and #2 is in his hands....he had to go to dinner but he will be on later to tell what he sees.....david

[Cloxxki]

I was collecting courage to ask David to undertake a series of rather complicated experiments and new to build setups to try and verify whether the effects he feels, not registered by scales (at least when loaded statically), are perhaps not gravital, but as I loosely hypothesize, aether-inertial. But I hate to put more work on the guy's shoulders, he's being so cool in trying to make the blind see.

Then it struck me. Inertial. Ferro-magnetic, possibly.

David, please bring in your guitar. Unplugged first, please be safe. Hit string, and let's see if proximity to the device will change the sound frequency. If it doesn't, I need to start thinking all over again. But then I'll search courage ask to run current through 2 strings, and pluck them, and THEN approach the device.

The effects David is struggling to further uncover, seem to be counter-intuitive. They may lead to new understanding of various forms of physics. The asnwers may be less than obvious. We can't hold on to what we think we know, Harvey was very right in explaining this.

DePalma's magnets would not fall along the same parabole as a stupid rock. USA's pre-Apollo rockets kept overshooting their intended Earth's orbits, due to a spinning stage on the rocket unintendedly boosting the launch performance. Magnetic interaction, spin, interia, they'd tied in together. And a guitar string JUST may be able to tell the difference...

If I am wrong, I'll have to try to not post a few days, but at least it will be a pretty low-effort test to try.

A last though for tonight. If it should turn out to be a local anomaly, it would be interesting to see if David's device "works" at Coral Castle, and whether other people's replications will work in at David's, or Coral Castle for that matter.

[sucahyo]

i know you guys are busy, thanks for taking the time to do these things much appreciation.....david

It do not take much time , the slowest part is converting the video to avi.

I use virtual dub with filter: Smart Smoother HiQuality. Option visualize blur allow us to see what currently changing in the scene.

From an objective, neutral observer....

To simplify this discussion, are we arguing that there may or not be some type of optical aberration and that that constitutes the discovery of gravity waves??

David have problem showing the effect because only sensitive people see it or feel it, like Tesla. David have problem like Tesla have to face to show the bright light he see from his experiment, the photograph only show very small part of its brightness. Or when Tesla have to define stinging sensation where other people may not feel.

I don't think ordinary photograph device can be used because I believe the light is not the same as sun light. the wave can ride along light, but do not need one to travel.

According to Karl Reichenbach human can sense it with forehead, hand palm and stomach pit. Some artistic drawing exist that describe it like hot wave from faraway surface, but with color.



Some people call it aura. I think aura is a sign of energy distortion because electricity, magnetism, matter produce different kind of aura.


We can not capture "light" that can not be seen with normal eyes using usual device. I don't think there is knowledge about how human orgone senses work.

Maybe it is better to use other type of capturing to visualize the effect. Maybe based from what other effect observed. Not based on visual wave that came out but based on physical properties like magnetic properties or gravity properties.

Maybe by using water filled with magnetite powder, oil filled with carbon, transparent magnet, an array of compass, an array of hanging weight, an array of newton meter, etc. Maybe a handful of lightly magnetized bolt each hanging to rubber band may show the effect better.

[Bruce_TPU]

Hello David, and ALL,

I have indeed received device number 2. Thank you David for entrusting me with it for a short season.

I can indeed verify that there is some sort of unusual distortion/shimmer that does appear from time to time. First a note to all experimenters, THIS EFFECT IS SUBTLE!

I now believe those who replicated this perhaps missed it. It is there, but I had to stare, blink and patiently watch. I saw it, and saw it again and again. The wife and son see it better, as they have better eyes. I will try to think of a way to "magnify" the distortion effect, to be better seen in the two weeks ahead, and then I will ship it off to the next in line.

As far as the Iron pyrite (or something close to that) rock that David sent with it, you can definetely feel the magnetic field upon the rock, when the device is rotated, and the rock is held in the center, nearly touch the rotor.

As far as feeling "lighter", the rock does feel "different", but not all of the time and it may be my mind playing games. I will attempt to measure this distinctly in the two weeks ahead. I have a VERY accurate scale, for scientific experiment. But I need to keep the scale in a different time reference, I think, for the experiment to work.

That's it for now! Remember, please, I am moving 400 miles, and am leaving Thursday. Friday on, I should be able to do some real experimenting. Until then, I will be in "observation" mode.

Interesting... indeed. How to use it? Unknown.

Cheers,

Bruce

[witsend]

I can indeed verify that there is some sort of unusual distortion/shimmer that does appear from time to time. First a note to all experimenters, THIS EFFECT IS SUBTLE!

I now believe those who replicated this perhaps missed it. It is there, but I had to stare, blink and patiently watch. I saw it, and saw it again and again. The wife and son see it better, as they have better eyes. I will try to think of a way to "magnify" the distortion effect, to be better seen in the two weeks ahead, and then I will ship it off to the next in line.

As far as the Iron pyrite (or something close to that) rock that David sent with it, you can definetely feel the magnetic field upon the rock, when the device is rotated, and the rock is held in the center, nearly touch the rotor.

As far as feeling "lighter", the rock does feel "different", but not all of the time and it may be my mind playing games. I will attempt to measure this distinctly in the two weeks ahead. I have a VERY accurate scale, for scientific experiment. But I need to keep the scale in a different time reference, I think, for the experiment to work.

Bruce

Good news inded Bruce. At least now we really know that this is not location dependent. Very nice. And many thanks for your input. Dave chose well in getting you on board to validate the effect. It needs that rare level of objectivity.

[david lambright]

hi

thank you bruce!...i am glad others see what i saw in my device....comforting....thanks for taking the time to test this weird device from oregon!!...david

[rave154]

Bruce, since you can actually "feel" an effect, could you try this quick test that i think would put a lot of peoples minds at rest.

Blindolded.... holding the piece of pyrite above the ground a foot or so ( or however high above the device needs to be held )... have someone carefully slide the rig underneath the rock and back away again..and see if your "feel" tallys with when they are doing it....as an extra "control" have them slide something else that is inert, like a piece of cardboard or whatever just in case your ears are subconsciously picking up the sound of them moving it.

Thanks.

[witsend]

Bruce, since you can actually "feel" an effect, could you try this quick test that i think would put a lot of peoples minds at rest.

Blindolded.... holding the piece of pyrite above the ground a foot or so ( or however high above the device needs to be held )... have someone carefully slide the rig underneath the rock and back away again..and see if your "feel" tallys with when they are doing it....as an extra "control" have them slide something else that is inert, like a piece of cardboard or whatever just in case your ears are subconsciously picking up the sound of them moving it.

Thanks.

Haven't we discussed this? I understood that consensus was that the it's impossible to rule out some level of bias? Which is a pity - as it would, indeed, be interesting. I rather think that Bruce may be able to give us some actual weight variations - if this comes into play. If it's not actually changing the 'weight' perhaps he can find a way of showing the movement bias - towards or away from the rig. That would be so nice.

[Cloxxki]

Haven't we discussed this? I understood that consensus was that the it's impossible to rule out some level of bias? Which is a pity - as it would, indeed, be interesting. I rather think that Bruce may be able to give us some actual weight variations - if this comes into play. If it's not actually changing the 'weight' perhaps he can find a way of showing the movement bias - towards or away from the rig. That would be so nice.

Absolutely GREAT that you notice the effects Bruce!

Shaking is what I expect will give most effects, being a series of back and forth accelerations. A horizontal string above the device, with a mass attached in the middle, then put into oscillation, MIGHT offer anomalous period and/or ring time.
A vibrating guitar string, when indeed affected to change its period, will exhibit a different, or at least false tone.
A tuning fork, having more mass, might attract more of the effect, in indeed present and measurable.

Edit : I first wrote vertical shaking and oscillation, but I frankly have no good reason to expect this to much different than lateral shaking. Vertical though, would on and off be enduring positive and negative gravital input. Lateral is gravity-neutral and thus more purely in nature as I see it.
Rotating the ringing tuning fork above the device might prove interesting, if any effect exists.

[DavidE]

witsend

Photons are not known to respond to a magnetic field.

Gravitational lens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[witsend]

A tuning fork, having more mass, might attract more of the effect, in indeed present and measurable.

Edit : ...
Rotating the ringing tuning fork above the device might prove interesting, if any effect exists.

I must say I'd also be interested in seeing how different materials respond when just 'hanging' over the device. Also to see if there's any unusual oscillations. I do, ocassionally, see such in some of Dave's videos so I'm inclined to think Dave is trying this out.

I've done a variety of tests - very preliminary - on variations of toroidal fields - and different conditions of magnetisation - but, thus far, have seen nothing unusual. I'll be posting them all in due course but - right now - I can't seem to locate the 'recharger' for my camera. I'm still building a variation of Dave's rig - that should be completed soon - and then I'll make a serious attempt at doing some posting and analysis along with it.

My own take is that photons do interact with magnetic fields but that they find the 'straight' path through those fields. But the interactive moment is outside our time frame - as they are not locality dependent. In a sense I see it as 'flickering' into and out of our own dimensions. My hope is that this 'flicker' or this 'glimmer' may be some evidence of an interaction with that magnetic field. And the thesis then suggests that magnetic fields are, in fact, the aether that everyone refers to. But I'm not asking anyone to 'buy into' the concepts. Just trying to explain my interest in these effects. The point is that the thesis only then needs magnetic fields to explain the interaction of matter towards or away from the centre of that field which would make it synonymous with the gravitational effects that we know of.

But the real question is precisely what magnetic field Dave has got there that gives it this unique property? I'm ruling out as many options as I can in the hopes that we can get to the precise magnetic conditions that Dave has managed. At this stage I think the 'lock' is holding two opposing fields together. Anyway. That's my tuppence worth. I'd be delighted to hear what others think - especially Dave.

[witsend]

gravitational lensing

Photons are not known to respond to a magnetic field.

Gravitational lens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

DavidE hi. Indeed. Gravitational lensing has provided the required proof to our astrophysicists that dark matter exists and that it exists in really vast quantities. Not sure of your question - if it is a question? The consensus is that they require something in the region of ten times more matter than is visible in our galaxies - and that this matter is evident when they study those distant galaxies using gravitational lensing. I believe it was first shown with some of Hubble's telescopes. The further consensus is that there is also a requirement for space to be pretty well filled with dark matter - something in the order of 97% more of this than visible matter. In effect, as I see it, our astrophysicists are looking for aether energy. But they go to some considerable trouble to call it something else. LOL. The actual questions are what is that particle - where is it - what does it weigh - what is its velocity - what is it's charge? They only require that it's invisible - non standard - and probably a lepton - or a fundamental particle. But the questions are out there. Lots of them.

[DavidE]

witsend

I am dogpaddling in deep water here.

If our earth instruments can detect and image stars (etc) behind planets - might that indicate a gravitational-photon interaction?

If this is possible on that scale, I see no reason why the same fundamental may not play at many levels. Even simple human observation perspectives on earth.

If magnetic fields can bend or refract photons, maybe this is the subtle force that Dave reports as shimmering colors or as observable light waves?

[Bruce_TPU]

Good morning ALL,

While having the lights off, but the morning soft light entering closed blinds, from 10 feet away from the device, I can see the shimmer. This is without the device moving at all. I have a chair with thin dowels, running vertical directly behind my line of sight for the device. Having these vertical dowels somehow allows me to see the shimmer much better. Perhaps by giving the eye a point of reference. David mentioned using screen, so tonight I will try that.

Lastly, on a side note, it would not appear that the "shimmer" is random, but appears to be coming from the hollow of each of the curved horseshoe like pieces. The inside of the horseshoe. The shimmer does not "float up", it just "is". It extends sideways from the device, and above the curved horseshoe pieces. Honestly, it is a bit "weird" having a device shimmering on the dining room table.

I think the weight test and similar tests will be important. I do not think of a way that this can be used to produce electricity, any ideas would be gladly accepted.

We will see what the weight tests bare out. As for the cause, it could be that David had inadvertantly produced a miniture version of a magnetic vortex, such as is known in Oregon. Distortion of time and space. Scientist have been studying it for many years. Is the magnetic field within the PMH moving? (moving, not changing) Magnetic current? Can we show this? If it is moving, at what speeds? Could this distortion be caused by relativity as it relates to time and space because of speed? Just some things that I ponder...

Cheers,


Bruce
Bruce