gravity waves found

[IndianaBoys]

this is interesting...http://www.sciencedaily.com/...david.....

David,

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IndianaBoys

[IndianaBoys]

this is interesting...http://www.sciencedaily.com/...david..... i am talking about the aluminum & iron oxide rings....the tubing is cheap, the oxide is cheap, and the wire is off of a used transformer that was lying around, so any one trying to replicate this should have no problems...a lot easier than trying to build the other device, [rotor/generator].....david

David,

Are you saying that the aluminum tube/iron oxide ring gap closes and stays shut when you spark it with the battery?

The replication I created does not. Best I could find to replicate this is a 1/2" OD ribbed flexible gas line tubing with 1/4" ID and stuffed it with iron oxide. Tamped it in there real tight. Closed the ends off with a layer of plastic bag and a layer of masking tape. Have 20 turns of insulated wire wrapped around tube and spark it with a 18 volt battery. Also pulled the ends together and taped them connected and at various distances. Did not notice any ends staying held closed. Reversed the polarity many times and sparked as well.

Can you share a picture of your aluminum ring?
What is the wire size and where is it located?
As many details as you can provide will assist those wanting to replicate this.

Thanks,

IndianaBoys

[david lambright]

indy boys!

David,

Are you saying that the aluminum tube/iron oxide ring gap closes and stays shut when you spark it with the battery?

The replication I created does not. Best I could find to replicate this is a 1/2" OD ribbed flexible gas line tubing with 1/4" ID and stuffed it with iron oxide. Tamped it in there real tight. Closed the ends off with a layer of plastic bag and a layer of masking tape. Have 20 turns of insulated wire wrapped around tube and spark it with a 18 volt battery. Also pulled the ends together and taped them connected and at various distances. Did not notice any ends staying held closed. Reversed the polarity many times and sparked as well.

Can you share a picture of your aluminum ring?
What is the wire size and where is it located?
As many details as you can provide will assist those wanting to replicate this.

Thanks,

IndianaBoys

thanks for your interest!..what you should have is a tube bent into a circle, filled with the oxide, the ends butted tightly together, with no gap, toroid style...after you energize it, hold it at arms length and slowly rotate it, you will see it...sometimes it takes a minute to get your eyes adjusted, kindof like those weird 3D posters, but it looks like a mirage, but it is subtle... i will post some photos ASAP....david......also i have made a larger model, made from a dip net, for fishing...it is aprox.1/2" OD and 12" in diameter,...the tube the net attaches to, it is almost a circle already...i have another one with 3/8" copper tube, 11" diameter, but the aluminum seems to work better....[url=http://www.sciencedaily.com/]Science Daily: News & Articles in Science, Health, October 12, 2009...scientists measure persistent energy flow ....i could not get the link to work...or see http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3969-perpetual-motion-holder-edward-leedskalnin.html#post106699...david...let me know if that helps.....thanks

[IndianaBoys]

David,

Will do some more tweaking.

What wire size are you using?

Is this the link you are referring to:

Physicists Measure Elusive 'Persistent Current' That Flows Forever

IndianaBoys

[david lambright]

indiana boys!

David,

Will do some more tweaking.

What wire size are you using?

Is this the link you are referring to:

Physicists Measure Elusive 'Persistent Current' That Flows Forever

IndianaBoys

that is the link!.....here is my thoughts about my ring...the oxide is like virgin iron...a PMH made of oxide, when energized, starts a flow of energy that will flow forever.....the wire is from a transformer, not sure of the guage....will post more later...david

[wings]

wrong post

[david lambright]

hi...

i have started posting over at free energy also, but will continue to post here...jet, i talked with matt and he will send you the device...you can contact him at leedskalnin.com to give him the information, address etc.....thanks for your patience.....so cat, do you want the device to test after jet?...i can also make copies of my oxide core rings for testing, i will have to go to the goodwill surplus store and find some aluminum tube....so if anyone is interested in testing this new device let me know...i have enough oxide to make 3 or 4 of the new devices....let me know......thanks...david

[Jetijs]

Hi David,
I tried to send Matt an email, but I got an error message of undeliverable mail. Either the email address at leedskalnin.com isn't right or something else. I would be grateful if you could sen him my address yourself
I would also be happy to test your new wing device, but I don't want to exploit you too much.

On another note, I found out that my tool steel needs to be heated to 800 degrees celsius and then rapidly cooled, this hardens the steel and makes it retain some magnetism. This works fine, I tried that on a small piece of the material, but the retained magnetism is very very weak, maybe just half of that of a magnetized drill bit. So I am stuck once again. The best materials as far as I know would be alni (Fe, Ni, Al, Cu), alnico (Fe, AI, Ni, Co, Cu), magnico (Fe, Ni, Co, Cu, Al) or alnisi (Fe, Al, Ni, Si). But I have no idea where to get such material in sheet form. V shapes cut out from these materials would retain a very strong magnetism, just as the V pieces from Ford T model. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Jetijs

[david lambright]

jet!

i will send him your address, i think i still have it, and there is no problem for me to make you a oxide core device for you to test....we could work it the same way, after you check it out, let others test it also....i will start on the device after this weekend, it only takes a few minutes to build and energize one...i might need you to pay shipping, my brother has a paypal account, and he said he would help ....could you PM me with your address one more time?....and jetijs, thank you again ....david

[Harvey]

Hi David,

I have some developer (not toner) here for a photocopier - it is a sand grained material and very magnetic. I could use this inside an aluminum tube and try that, but my aluminum tubes are something like T6 and I think they would break before I could bend them.

Where did you get your aluminum tube from? Is that a plumbing item like a sink riser or such?

Thanks,

Harvey

[david lambright]

harvey

the first device was 1/4" soft aluminum tubing off of a gas water heater, the second is from a fishing net...goodwill surplus store is great if you dont want to ruin a good net. the third is 3/8" copper tube. i am looking for some lead and possibly some zinc tubing to make the devices with....the oxide was bought online, and you can get nano particle oxides also, i have been looking into manganese oxide as core material, i will let you know how that goes...david

[Harvey]

David

Thanx - I'm going to rummage through the 'ol plumbing stuff out back and see what I find.

[Alex.]

Hi folks

I hate to say that, but I need to - you are inviting bicycle.

That's a really strange that nobody didn't jump in between almost 1500 pages
that you wrote it here and didn't explain simple things that known for any student in electrical engineering.

I'd really like your enthusiasm, but you're spending time and money for discovery already discovered things.

What you(and other folks on youtube who aren't familiar with electronics)
called PMH it is called in electronic - polarization relay for many decades where used the same principle.

The same principle was used in first huge computers. Ferromagnetic ring was used to store one bit of information.
(I wish you should see it - thousands small rings with coil on it connected as a matrix, that take a huge room to store a few kilobytes)

First of all you need to know for sure that David didn't lie when he seen air fluctuation over his wheel becouse air is a paramagnetic (µ=1,00000038)
and change it density in magnetic field. It should looks the same as air bend reflected light over hot road.
It isn't gravity wave. It just well known physics.
The same would happened with aluminum (µ=1,000023). It is paramagnetic too.

David didn't lie about that some crystals that he hold over his wheel feeling like it change its weight.
It is also should be true.(But difference in weight should be very-very small)
Diamagnetic materials create magnetic field itself in strong magnet field in opposite direction.
If you still want to continue your experiments, try diamagnetics (µ<1) such as copper(µ=0,9999897) or better gold (µ=0,999961)
then you can measure ala "levitation" over strong magnetic field with help of any precision weight scalier(post scalier for example(~$15-50)).

By the way, - in my humble opinion, David didn't the same wheel as Ed Leedskalnin explained.
You can check it with any compass when move it around on external side of poles.
If it Leedskalnin's wheel then compass should spinning in opposite direction on each pole.
Ed used permanent magnets connected as NNSSNNSS and I think Ed used
this wheel with different purpose - as a simple generator. If you'd look closely on picture with Ed, you could find there a capacitor that
connected with coil on bottles that mean - he used a contour(coil and capacitor in parallel) to accumulate energy and use for something.

One more thing gays, especially David. Don't use battery as you do. I seen that it's battery from electrical power
tools - you simply killing your battery(and they are quite expensive ~$60 for DeWalt).
Active and reactive resistance of your coil is very small - you simply shorting battery.
Use capacitor instead. Charge capacitor over resistor (~50-100 Om would be safe)
and discharge capacitor to the coil. It would be safe for battery and capacitor has
much less internal resistance than battery and able return hundreds amps when discharging in a short time.
Another battery killer is a coil. When you disconnect battery from coil,
coil attempt to keep charging current and since there no way for coil current on disconnection - coil rise voltage(up to thousand volts)
in attempt to keep law P=U*I, that's why you can see a spark when disconnecting battery.
NiMH and NiCd battery really don't like this exercise when you apply so much voltage to it.
Connect in parallel with coil some diode and connect plus of your battery
(or better capacitor, but then you need one more diode to prevent oscillating process between capacitor and coil)
to anode of diode when charging your polarized relay(it would be more correct to call this device instead of PMH).
Diode will be open for current in a moment of battery disconnection only and will provide path for discharging current in the coil.

Here is a first link describing magnetism that I found on google for you.
It's a short referat of some russian student, so use google to translate to your native language.

http://5ka.su/ref/physics/0_object30877.html

below is a link to google that translating link above from russian to english.

http://translate.google.com/translat...n&hl=&ie=UTF-8

Best regards,

Alex.

[Harvey]

Hi Alex,



I actually have a sample of that core memory:




But I must state here, that it does not work on the same principle as Leedskalnin's PMH. Core memory relies on a soft magnetic material that holds the magnetic state regardless if you were to cut the material in half - it would still be a magnet with potential. The PMH loses it's magnetic quality as soon as the flux path is broken.

While they both involve domain alignments, the interior is different and the hysteresis is different so the principles of operation are different.

You say that the optical effects claimed are a well known aspect of science - I have been involved with science since 1966 and I have not seen this effect yet. Is this something common in your part of the world that somehow hasn't reached Cal-Tech, JPL, UCLA or UCSD? If so, I would be very much interested in learning what you can teach us about it

I do agree with you on the element configuration and this has been mentioned several times in the thread.

I also agree with you on the treatment of the battery - however we must acknowledge that the capacitor simply will not deliver a continuous charge into such a low inductance winding the same way several aH of battery can unless it is a very large and most likely expensive capacitor even at a low rating of 9.6V.

Cheers,

[Loadstone]

1500th

I just wanted to be the 1500th post.
@David, I see you posted the link I told you about on another Ed thread.

Here is a pic of my wheel with 2 layers on it.
I have lots of PMH's also and I even cast an aluminum one, but I haven't noticed anything that you speak of yet.

The first row of magnets on my wheel stick to the metal base they sit on, but the second layer doesn't want to sit on top at all.
When the top ring is added it gives the second row something to stick to, but they are not attracted to the first layer.
By the time you stack 5 layers the top layer of magnets will not stay still but always try to flip over....that is until you put the top ring on.
I've had to make a wooden ring to support everything while I add magnets.
Cheers.