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  • Hey Harvey.
    I don't think David's rig is not magnetically locked!

    It has nothing to do with math, it's about magnet function.
    David's rig does not make the right kind of field to force a lock to happen.
    The magnets run better in the metal than in the air so they stray a bit from the coil used, but they are soon dispersed, and as soon as the current is stopped everything is gone, except for a remanent around the coil core as it is made of steel.

    Make a small PMH and put a straight thick wire throuth the middle. Hit the wire with a big battery and the R/H thumb rule will lock it
    I use a 3" split pin and laminated keeper.
    That will give a better idea about the order of things.
    "When the individual N and S pole magnets are started in an orbit they will never stop...." Ed. L
    Last edited by Loadstone; 09-17-2010, 06:47 AM. Reason: add quote

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    • hi....

      the device i built is loosely based on Leedskalnins "generator" design...the lock i refer to is not as strong as a U and keeper type lock, more like clean connections at all junctions held tightly together, [zip tied] then energized to start an orbit in the ring of segments.....this setup radiates a VISIBLE energy from the device.....this radiation has been seen by over 100 people...replicators on this and other forums have copied my device and have seen this VISIBLE radiant energy emanating from it....this same energy interacts with matter and creates gravitational anomalies....i believe that Eds generator produced this same energy, and that Tesla and others saw this same energy.......i also believe that he spun this energy field into a vortex with his generator and that is where he got his "power" to lift heavy stones....i have seen this energy around every PMH i have ever made.....i have seen this same energy start a vortex above my device....this energy starts to take on "colours" as it flows....many people have seen both of these effects also......some people see it right off with out me saying a word....some it takes longer...it took my father a long time....this radiation is absolutely REAL!...this is not anyones imagination or some reflection or trick on the eyes.....i believe that those who do not see it right away are 'looking past the mark....this energy is not geographical either....i believe Eds generator was designed to make radiant energy...there are some who are still trying to make electricity with copies of his device.....i also believe that his generator, when energized, started a radiant flow and that he spun this energy into a vortex, large enough to perpetuate its spinning and was able to direct this energy through wires [it likes to flow in metal] to be used elsewhere........david

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      • Hi Loadstone,

        Actually the rig does provide a continuous flux path that locks the elements together.

        This was one of the first things I evaluated using FEMM
        (See post http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post94848)

        The 'lock' as David calls it, or the PMH function as Ed called it is not as strong in Davids design as it is with the U-Shaped magnet and keeper - something many of you have already demonstrated very well - but the lock is there, weakly.

        I demonstrated this also in my video YouTube - AdminOnDuty's Channel

        The greater the flux density flowing through the elements, the stronger the magnetic influence on the domains in the material. It is this continuous path that keeps the domains recursively in alignment and holds the flux perpetually even in a soft magnetic material like this pipe. When the flux path is broken, the field collapses and can produce enough power to light a lamp. This also has been demonstrated in the U-Shaped PMH videos out there.

        When you say you do not think it is not locked - I took that as a typo rather than a true double negative right?

        The thing here is that the lock is not bound tight enough to overcome the forces of mass gravity or inertial gravity (centrifugal force) so it is necessary to have the elements wrapped in some manner. Now in my case I did not use any screws to hold them to the HDPE wheel, that was all friction. But in David's case he did screw four of the elements to the HDPE. It is possible to get non-locked elements to hold the configuration shown in my video because of the geometry involved, but the stability is much more fragile than that shown and the smallest twist causes it to fall apart. But when it is locked, there is a magnetic bond between each and every element that helps to keep it from separating easily. I can tell when the lock has been lost in my rig because the elements get loose and want to fall out. But when the lock is there, they stay in place and offer resistance to movement. You can see that in the YouTube - Lambright - 029 video I did when I try and remove one of the elements to break the lock - I had to fish around to find one that I could remove easily because most of them were still locked together. I was worried that the whole thing was going to fall apart when I removed that one and you may notice that when I spun it up the second time I did not spin it as fast as the first time for fear of it all falling apart.

        "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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        • harvey...

          thanks...you explained that very eloquently....the oxide provides a flux path also, and the oxide 'gives up its magnets easier than the iron does....when an oxide core device is energized, an orbit is started through the flux path....manganese oxide, i have read, works well if not better than the iron oxide, at least for recording anyway .....i am going to try mixtures of oxide and powdered metals to see if i can get a greater visible output with these devices.....the FACT that this energy can be SEEN at all is amazing to me....it allows us to see what this radiation is doing, the shapes it likes to make etc. etc.....i believe this is called by many names....i know that it is visible, and when you do finally see it, it catches you off guard?....your mind tells you it should not be there.....we see heat rising every where, every day, causing visual distortions, we never think twice about it....i believe that this energy is the sound BASE that Ed talked about..... Simon David Eden MA Dist. [RCA] : 'The Weight of Fire' Research & Inspiration .......david

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          • Hi all

            going on trying to find a methodology to better see the phenomenon in the ice

            because the phenomenon is there without any doubt

            but now how to describe, it is the work

            here 3 pix under 100 of other tests


            always a strong assymetry which seems to be in dîrection of west to east.

            will go further untill i get some more clearer image of the thing

            good kuck at all

            Laurent
            Last edited by woopy; 05-16-2011, 09:34 PM.

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            • Hi David,

              Just a quick link to the graphics
              Simon David Eden MA Dist. [RCA] : Codagraphs #1
              "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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              • Harvey,
                First, I mean no offence by saying skeptical things.....
                I watched your vid but didn't see anything showing a possible lock of ANY kind, because everything was already bound. It is quite possible you just found a loose one that was not bound properly.

                I understand many people have seen "something" in devices, but I can see "something" radiating from any object in certain situations, and there are many optical events most people probably don't even know about.
                I think that before any conclusions are considered it would be wise to rule out everything else.

                For me personally, I remain interested but skeptical.

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                • @Loadstone,

                  No worries mate - nothing wrong with being skeptical

                  You are right, there is a fine distinction between the locked and unlocked configuration and it is very difficult to see but quite obvious by feel. The resistance to separate the elements when they are 'bound' as you say, is about 10 times less than when they are locked as well. There is a noticeable magnetic attraction between the elements and it takes more force to break that attraction that it does if it isn't there.

                  You will notice that I inserted some paper to specifically gap the removed element and prevent the possibility of the system somehow re-locking. The elements do seem to have some magnetic hysteresis and they could stick back together. The longer they stay that way, the stronger the flux can become. It is similar to the keepers used on Alnico magnets - as long as the path is there the domains stay aligned and the strength of the magnet remains up. The paper has a higher permeability than the metal and so this helps to ensure that the unit does not re-lock. Another way to help prevent that is to flip the element over so than any residual magnetism is in opposition thus preventing the lock.

                  Probably what would be convincing would be to have the ring locked without the straps. Now that would be a good show to do eh?
                  "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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                  • hi...

                    here is a new video YouTube - oxide core device ...david

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                    • Originally posted by Harvey View Post

                      Probably what would be convincing would be to have the ring locked without the straps. Now that would be a good show to do eh?
                      I think that can be done. At least when the required coating on the metal can be applied after shaping the 24 parts. I'd have one slight indented sleeve matching the surface of the adjacent part, in each. This would multiple contact surface by a huge factor. I the parts could be CNC'd it'd be easy. Else, the donor pipe would require to receive such an indent along its length.

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                      • Originally posted by david lambright View Post
                        here is a new video YouTube - oxide core device ...david
                        David, I've never seen anything like it, wow.
                        Light interacting with a "web-like" density inside the ring?

                        This seems a bit more complicated than the light of a street light making large spikes of light on an image, or the eye.

                        Would you please offer some setup comments on what we're looking at, and the light that was used for the recording?

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                        • hi...

                          the light is infrared and incandescent....the tubing is i/4" OD aluminum...i do not know why the image keeps jumping around...i think it might be the image stabilization feature....i am uploading a new one now...david........ YouTube - oxide core device #2 .........new video...david
                          Last edited by david lambright; 09-19-2010, 12:17 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by Cloxxki View Post
                            David, I've never seen anything like it, wow.
                            Light interacting with a "web-like" density inside the ring?

                            This seems a bit more complicated than the light of a street light making large spikes of light on an image, or the eye.

                            Would you please offer some setup comments on what we're looking at, and the light that was used for the recording?
                            I had to review that 'web' about 50 times before I got a real handle on what I was seeing. The motion of the ring is waaaaaaaaaaaay too fast for this type of analysis. David, can you redo a video with much slower motion, gradual changes in position of the ring? That would be very helpful to see the effect.

                            The 'web' is a composite of lens glare and background shadows. It is quite obvious once you realize that it is the reflections off the ring that are interacting with the the secondary and tertiary lens producing the fainter and slightly displaced bright spots that move with the ring.

                            Also, there is some sort of shiny material like prism tape on the bunk rail that at one point comes into very good focus and gives us many different colors.

                            The ring shadow on the background is a huge shadow, so the light sources are very close to the ring - I see what looks like three sources in the video two near the camera and one from the left. But one could be a single lamp reflecting of the ring and reflecting again off the lens giving the multiple shadows.

                            Curiously though, on some of the frames there are faces that emerge in the darkness the most obvious resembles a cowboy with a pipe positioned at the corner post. You may have to turn up your monitor brightness for these images:

                            zoom

                            Zoom
                            "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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                            • hi...

                              i do not know about those videos.....they really do not show anything...although i do sometimes see light reflecting off of the inside of the devices where there is nothing to reflect off of.....i am still working a better vid.....david

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                              • Well today I decided to build a qty 12, 2 turn parallel coil rig and see if I could get the lock to hold well enough for a non-constrained demonstration.

                                The results were disappointing. Some of the elements simply do not magnetize well at these low flux levels and without the physical contact pressure they don't even hold against a vertical lift - some do, but as soon as those weak ones slip the lock is lost.

                                This lead me to experiment with some permanent magnets and see how well the elements hold with a continuous flux source. This would give me some basis in ampere-turns to evaluate what would be needed to enable a PMH lock capable of the desired demonstration. I'll have to sort that all out.

                                But suffice it to say, that these elements I have will not remain physically locked on their own magnetism without a very large flux density and even then it is debatable. But I will see what is needed and test the feasibility of performing the demonstration if possible.
                                "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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