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  • very rough diagram

    this is a diagram of an experiment i did. if you imagine a flat rubber sheet and the magnets as being dents that allow the ferro fluid to puddle. any place on the surface of the FF around the neo magnets, is EXACTLY like the level of a pond or lake. the small magnets are like a trough leading to a large pool, [big magnet] all of it having the same level, the pool being deeper and wider. there are only 2 forces, attraction/repulsion. i DID this experiment and it absolutely works. a constant flow machine. this flow must be started, not self starting. the ferro fluid will easily climb 2, 5, 10 feet, up a neo magnet chain....david Uploaded with ImageShack.us[/IMG]

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    • That's pretty cool David.

      Are you going to make a video of it?

      If the stuff wasn't so messy, I would probably try that myself.

      Cheers.
      "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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      • black slippery mess

        Originally posted by Harvey View Post
        That's pretty cool David.

        Are you going to make a video of it?

        If the stuff wasn't so messy, I would probably try that myself.

        Cheers.
        any magnet even close to ferro fluid will draw it up till it is saturated, now a lot of the magnets i was using are in the jar of FF, in a slippery cocoon. i will try to get a video, i must get more FF and more neos. i am confident i will be able to set up all the magnets/siphon then add the ferro fluid and prime the siphon AND get it all in a quart mason jar. i will make a stand to hold the magnets and the siphon tube exactly where they need to be. ...on another forum, it was said that this setup had been done before. i have not seen anything like this before, but if someone has, please post a link. thanks, david

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        • hi jet

          i PM the info to you, for the next person in line. thank you for all your help with this ...david

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          • wick

            on another forum we discussed this, the magnets act like a super efficient wick, drawing the ferro fluid up the stack easily and creating a "pool" of fluid with the EXACT same surface tension as the fluid in the bottom of the container...the FF i use is from Fer O Tec....david

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            • a concept



              Uploaded with ImageShack.us this is just something i thought of, i dont think it will work.......the other experiment i did was too hard to keep the tube immersed in the fluid, very small flow only.........i think this concept should work....then again, i have been wrong MANY times before.....please let me know your thoughts on whether you think this will work or not...david
              Last edited by david lambright; 06-18-2011, 06:17 PM.

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              • Hi David,

                Sometimes it helps to create a force diagram and see if the forces balance out or maintain asymmetry around the loop.

                If gravity is acting for you on the right side of your loop, then it is acting against you on the left.

                Also, if the magnet is acting to pull the fluid up below the magnet, then it is also acting to pull the fluid down above the magnet.

                Another point to consider, is that more fluid will be grouped around the magnet and this combined with the same path length of loop will have greater mass than that on the right side of the loop.

                So from an engineering perspective, you need to develop the forces involved in such a way that the gravitational force on the right is greater than the combined forces on the left. Then it is simply a matter of trying to get the right values to satisfy that equation.

                Do you think you can create a magnetic wick? Would a ladder using magnets as rungs act as a wick if placed in a bowl of ferro-fluid? If so, how far will the fluid wick up, is there a limit - and if there is a limit what imposes it?

                How is time involved? Perhaps the wick takes longer to fill the reservoir than the siphon takes to empty it. Does this indicate a pulse mechanism may be needed to get it to work? Would adding valves in the tube, like those found in our leg arteries to keep the blood from falling back down, be of a benefit here?

                "Amy Pond, there is something you need to understand, and someday your life may depend on it: I am definitely a madman with a box." ~The Doctor

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                • Hi david very interesting stuff with the ferro fluid, I hope it is safe stuff.

                  Anyway I was thinking, what if you were to pull and expand the ferro fluid just a bit in the center of "balance" so to speak or just past or before the center of ballance "timing", with an electromagnet to temporarily displace some fluid which would draw more up the the magnets then releases and creates an overbalance, this would also start the process "if it worked" or morso if it ever stopped. It need only be enough to displace some fluid in a "draw pump" kind of thing to have the action of the bulb on some syphon hoses.

                  Can the action of the moving ferro fluid be used to make electricity with coils ?

                  Cheers

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                  • hi

                    my brother andy is visiting from cali, [its been 9 years since i saw him], and i tried to duplicate the FF experiment, and could not get it to work ...david

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                    • new video

                      YouTube - ‪an explanation‬‏ i know there will be questions, i hope someone can see the flow of energy....thanks, david

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                      • I See it ! It looks like there is a shadow like the shadow of smoke coming from the tip of the main shadow (the clip) on the paper, I see a swirly turbulent kind of thing which is narrow nrear the clip and wider a bit further away but it is fleeting and difficult to see. But I do see it.

                        I think I kind of agree with you about what is happening too, the centrifugal force on the mass creates a radiation of energy out the equator and that causes a gravitation of energy to enter the poles in a swirly way through vorticies however I think that the radiated energy can be captured as well as the energy trying to enter the top and the bottom to replace what is radiated. I imagine that if some the infow was tapped it would still need to replace what is radiated from the equator so maybe there is the potential for tapping much more from the inflow.

                        Very interesting David, it actually looks like you have built a small planet. How heavy is the rotating part of you're setup ? It spins good.

                        Oh and I was thinking, instead of the piece of lead as an equatorial sink what about a steel cylinder that can rotate on a bearing with a longitudinal coil wound on it or even a coil wound around it like a solenoid.

                        Cheers

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                        • At last, a workable model!

                          Originally posted by david lambright View Post
                          YouTube - ‪an explanation‬‏ i know there will be questions, i hope someone can see the flow of energy....thanks, david
                          David -

                          Excellent work, you had conviction all the way through the process of testing, trying to prove it to people, and so many doubters. There are a couple of things I'd like to point out...
                          1. In Ed's wheel, he used a piece of iron bar, about the diameter of a silver dollar that ran all the way through the wood "workbench." It sat right in front of the wheel, and probably charged with magnetic current as the wheel was spinning. He used this for collection of some of the energy.
                          2. He had equipment suspended by chains over the top of his wheel (as you are doing with your own insulated chain).

                          I think Ed may have had his energy flow in the opposite direction - if his chain was attached to the ground (grounded), and hung over the wheel, and the iron rod was used as a collector, the energy may have been pulled down through the chain, into the wheel, dissipated outward to the iron rod, and then used immediately or stored in his glass bottle capacitors.

                          -Van

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                          • temperature

                            if you think of this like temperature, imagine a room, and ambient [neutral] temperature is a plane [horiz] in the middle of the room. one inch equals one degree difference, up or down. when temperature of an object is higher than the surrounding air, it will radiate an upflowing convection current that distorts the image [like a mirage does]until the temp is neutral again .one inch/degree is not much, but if there is a large temp difference, there will be a large flow. with these devices, the energy flows this same way. the farther away from neutral, the more flow can be made. when these devices are spinning, they can throw off extra G energy, and push up extra L [levity] energy. if i use the same neutral point for gravity, i can make an analogy. at earths surface, an object has more of the G in it, giving it "weight". if some of the G is removed, L will be added, and if i get enough G out and L in, i can get an object to be neutral [buoyant]. this energy permeates everything and is what fluidity really is. i held a small chain at the N pole and at ONE single spot above [off axis], there was enough L energy to lift the end link up just a tiny bit. if i place the wire hook at that same place, and put a magnet on the ground rod [tube] at the equator, i get a small flow happening, up the wire into the chain and back into the air. this is visible and distorts the visual like a mirage does. just like heat does, except no heat. although there is a "warm" sensation where the L upflow is happening.......more soon, david

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                            • westinghouse chart

                              here is that chart, david

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                              • David,

                                That is great.

                                Here is a link to a 1.7 megabyte image of it:

                                http://www.copperalliance.net/IndexP...ectrum1800.jpg

                                IndianaBoys

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