What's Happened to Timothy Thrapp?

[Bob Smith]

Does anyone know what's happened to Timothy Thrapp and World Improvement Through The Spirit Ministries he's involved with? Their website is down: 404 Not Found, as is their Youtube account: www.youtube.com/user/wits2014
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[Sephiroth]

no idea... but thought I would bring up this quote from Peter L just to be a troll

Gauss,

Sorry to burst your bubble, but when it comes to Ed Gray, there is no one who knows more about his real history than my friend Mark McKay. Mark has shared most of this research with me in computer files and long conversations. Over the last 5 years, Mark has quietly interviewed every living member of Gray's family who had knowledge of the technology, and every living person who ever worked with Gray on his technology. The real story is quite different than the generally believed "public version" of the story published in newspaper articles from the 1970's, but I assure you, it does not include "working in the WITTS lab".

This one, absurd and provably FALSE statement, should cause EVERYONE to seriously doubt the rest of these outrageous claims by "Sir Timothy" and WITTS. Any person who entertains the idea that Tesla, Stubblefield, Keely, and Meyer all needed help from WITTS to accomplish their technologies is, in my personal opinion, delusional in the extreme.

I first met Tim at a friend's house in Fort Worth, Texas in the mid-1990s. He never made any claims like this then, but he was famous for pumping people for information and never telling anyone anything! This experience, of being pumped by Tim, eventually became known in the underground vernacular as having been "THRAPPED"! To describe the experience to others, I coined the term "intellectual diode", where information goes in, but nothing comes back out.

Tim is famous alright, but not for ever showing an enlightened attitude of sharing his knowledge or of actually helping his fellow man.

You can believe whatever you want, but I don't believe ONE WORD that comes out of WITTS, or the newly Knighted "Sir Timothy". Tim has NEVER shown anyone I know that these technologies actually work, and that includes all the major players in the FE community.

That's my two cents,

Peter

[Bob Smith]

Thanks Seph,
Not really sure what to make of it. Being knighted might be a red flag. Anyhow, courious to see what's happened.
Bob

[Sephiroth]

knighted... lol

Anyone know the story behind that? The details seem hazy...

[arapoint]

Timothy Thrapp of WITTS Ministries

For some unknown reason, they have gone underground. Currently, to view their website at http://www.witts.ws , a username (witts) and a password (guest) is required.

A while back, I made a $20 donation to them to check out what they claim as 21 reports and testimonies of independent engineers and independent engineering companies. I saw the reports, but as I remember it, there wasn't anyway to follow up with these individuals.

The latest, apparent YouTube videos by WITTS Ministries still online as of 5/27/2010:
Hemisphere Quantum Fuelless Generator:
Video #1: YouTube - FREE ENERGY # 19 Quantum Fuelless Generator
Video #2: YouTube - Hemisphere Quantum Fuelless Generator - Demo #2



By the way, you can still see his original video on Google Video at
Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator!

[Holle]

Does anyone know John Miller at WITTS?

Does anyone know John Miller? Every time you contact WITTS by email or skype logs in a John Miller.
Before PayPal has locked for some reason the account of WITTS you had to send your donation to John Miller. He was presented as the treasurer of WITTS. Since Paypal has however distanced of WITTS you get from John Miller the statement to send the donation by MoneyGram. To receive the money from MoneyGram you need a passport (ID-card). John Miller says now you have to send the donation in the name of Timothy Thrapp. Hmm. Not John Miller was the treasurer? Is not that strange? Why would Timothy Thrapp the donation in cash to get by MoneyGram and not John Miller? Is TT not an Amish? Why does he need money in cash? There may be no John Miller, who can present a passport. Maybe John Miller is a pseudonym for Timothy Thrapp. Is there someone in the forum, the John Miller knows personally?
There is no witts.ws web-site for a long time more. The partner Tim Martin does not operate more his enlightenedtechnology.org. Is there anyone who has made any progress with WITTS?

[teknasutra]

Thrapp is still there from what I can tell

There is no username required for their website at the moment. I've been all over it in the past hour. Then I saw these and figured it would be a good idea to answer. The website is WITTS (World Improvement Through The Spirit Ministries) and the news channel is on WITTS News!!! - World Improvement Through The Spririt and everything seem to be working fine. No endorsement or naysaying from me at this time. I'm just answering about the site being up and Thrapp still there from what I see.

Have a great day/night/evening etc. :-)

[Farmhand]

[www.witts.ws] WITTS Hemisphere Quantum Fuelless Generator - Demo #2 - YouTube

Looks like a scam to me, he says in the video that if there was a regular
battery in there that the current would go down not up, but that is just not true.

If there was an inverter circuit and a small battery in there as the battery
voltage dropped the current would rise to maintain the power. Even a regular
battery on it's own can give more current after a short time of use.

All I seen in that video was a couple of low wattage lights connected for a
very short time to a setup which could have been just an inverter and battery
under a metal dome.

I'm not seeing how that is a demonstration of anything but how a scam works.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

[www.witts.ws] WITTS Hemisphere Generator Starts Jeep - Quantum Electric Demo - YouTube

This video is a real doozey, he disconnects the car from the battery that started the car then the car won't start.

There is still another wire connected to the positive cable to the car after he
disconnects the device. All he needs to do is have another battery connected to
the device so that when he connects the device the second battery is
connected which starts the car.

As far as demonstrations go it shows nothing that cannot be easily faked.

Cheers

[NickZ]

Farmland and All:
The MITTS dome device videos are pretty amazing, if true. It's easy to say they are faked, along with ALL their other projects. But what if they are not? We would be overlooking one of the most convincing videos and ideas ever shown, or that has ever been faked.
For those that think that it could only be a fake, I would like to see it replicated in the same way, to prove how it is faked. And start a car, like is shown.
The same goes for the TPU and Dr. Stiffler's 3 coil set up, and other devices that have not been reproduced, in the same way that they are shown to work. All just faked?
Just consider for a moment what this can mean, IF true. What they mention as the cause of the power (separation of charges) may certainly be true, regardless of their projects.
That dome device looks like it is already over 30 years old. But, will it still start the car? Or has its secret little battery worn down, after all those years. Ha! Anyway, don't throw the baby out with the dishwater, just yet.

[gyula]

Hi Nick,

See this post here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post52406

Gyula

[NickZ]

Gyula:

Yes, I've seen and heard it all before. Just give the devices, not the ministry the benefit of the doubt, without any monetary interests involved.
It is important to resolve this question of power production, and not confused it with what could be called corruption, or deceit.
What they have mentioned in the video of the dome, makes sense to me.
But, I take no sides in this, just interested in the results of the devices.



You did not mention this post though (below), that is on the same forum page.
Does it not count, or have any weight?

Tim Tim
Junior Member

Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2
WITTS Ministries is the real deal. I donated to the cause and was able to see many of the devices demonstrated.

I've been researching, developing and building "alternative" devices for 8 years or so. I know the difference between an amp and a volt. Sir Timothy blew my socks off! These minister/scientist/engineers are the most advanced in these technologies as I've ever come across.

In my opinion, their intention is absolutely to help restore the earth to a paradise. Most of their devices are much more advanced than meets the eye. They may look a little crude in the videos, but the principles they employ are very sophisticated and are not easily duplicated in a person's garage.

Don't confuse the ministry with other religious institutions. They are not becoming wealthy off the donations they receive. They truly want to help, but it won't happen within the fading paradigms of greed and corruption that seem to be everywhere. The capitalists are only interested in the money.
I hope I don't offend anyone on this forum, but I felt WITTS needs someone to speak for them since people sometimes have a difficult time with the manner in which the ministry communicates.

Again... I've seen it first hand. My life has not been the same since.
Peace.
- Tim

[Farmhand]

Farmland and All:
The MITTS dome device videos are pretty amazing, if true. It's easy to say they are faked, along with ALL their other projects. But what if they are not? We would be overlooking one of the most convincing videos and ideas ever shown, or that has ever been faked.
For those that think that it could only be a fake, I would like to see it replicated in the same way, to prove how it is faked. And start a car, like is shown.
The same goes for the TPU and Dr. Stiffler's 3 coil set up, and other devices that have not been reproduced, in the same way that they are shown to work. All just faked?
Just consider for a moment what this can mean, IF true. What they mention as the cause of the power (separation of charges) may certainly be true, regardless of their projects.
That dome device looks like it is already over 30 years old. But, will it still start the car? Or has its secret little battery worn down, after all those years. Ha! Anyway, don't throw the baby out with the dishwater, just yet.

Hi Nick, I understand what you are saying, but to replicate something the
precise drawing is needed and other info. In order to get even a look at
information on devices I think they require a certain amount of money as a
donation. Then to get the plans they require a large donation as far as I can
tell. Being that the money given is a donation there is no way or cause for
complaint if a non working system drawing is given. The money you give is not
or the info so there are no come backs on them, you cannot complain there
are no grounds for any complaints. They could give you a crayon drawing of a
child's swing set but you cannot complain because there is no payment for
the plans the payment is a donation and has nothing to do with the plans.

Testimonials are all bogus, anyone can be do it online, Timothy himself could
start an account and say he is impressed by Timothy Thrapp. People making a
second account to praise their own work and fake an interest or replication
from a personality they created themselves for that purpose is quite common. I
can't believe so many people fall for it, people are so gullible.

Can anyone show a video or give any technical information about the
performance of any of their systems in an independant setting ? Have they
ever given the plans of an over unity system to someone who has built the
system and shown it ? If they want to help they should just help.

It's a give away as a scam when at the beginning of the 40 kW device demo
he asks for people to pray and whatever number pops into thier head they
should give that much money to Witts. They ask for money to be given to
them but they give nothing back, do they do ministry work and just help
people who need help ?

I have zero belief or respect for people who ask for money in the name of religion.
The love of money is the root of evil. The more of "their" money we want and
use gives more power to the money changers. We should try to use less of
their money, money doesn't feed us, work does. Money is the chains that bind
us to the wheel overwork and overproduction in the name of profit.

I didn't say it was a fake I just said it looked like a fake and said how it could
be done. It's not my responsibility to prove all they fakes as fakes. If someone
else can say it is true with no proof then I can say it is a fake with no proof
too, fair's fair.

Cheers

[gyula]

Hi Nick,

I have read the post from Tim you refer to, however I cannot consider it seriously due to his vague statements while no any relevant info is given.

See this link Gifts & Products & Books - WITTS (World Improvement Through The Spirit any useful-sounding topic starts from $100, $200 you are expected to donate and during the years no any replicated working device (giving extra output) has 'leaked' out from the 'donators' like in case of some other 'blue prints' also sold for money and proved to be under unity.

I wish their tecnology were real but you can only make sure of this when you pay. And reading members arapoint and Holle posts above from 2010 I will not risk...

Thanks, Gyula

Gyula:

Yes, I've seen and heard it all before. Just give the devices, not the ministry the benefit of the doubt, without any monetary interests involved.
It is important to resolve this question of power production, and not confused it with what could be called corruption, or deceit.
What they have mentioned in the video of the dome, makes sense to me.
But, I take no sides in this, just interested in the results of the devices.



You did not mention this post though (below), that is on the same forum page.
Does it not count, or have any weight?

Tim Tim
Junior Member

Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2
WITTS Ministries is the real deal. I donated to the cause and was able to see many of the devices demonstrated.

I've been researching, developing and building "alternative" devices for 8 years or so. I know the difference between an amp and a volt. Sir Timothy blew my socks off! These minister/scientist/engineers are the most advanced in these technologies as I've ever come across.

In my opinion, their intention is absolutely to help restore the earth to a paradise. Most of their devices are much more advanced than meets the eye. They may look a little crude in the videos, but the principles they employ are very sophisticated and are not easily duplicated in a person's garage.

Don't confuse the ministry with other religious institutions. They are not becoming wealthy off the donations they receive. They truly want to help, but it won't happen within the fading paradigms of greed and corruption that seem to be everywhere. The capitalists are only interested in the money.
I hope I don't offend anyone on this forum, but I felt WITTS needs someone to speak for them since people sometimes have a difficult time with the manner in which the ministry communicates.

Again... I've seen it first hand. My life has not been the same since.
Peace.
- Tim

[jibbguy]

I grew up near Amish people and worked with them, became friends with some.

I am utterly disgusted that someone would invent a mystical BS relationship with the Amish, knowing there is no one online to show it is false.

So the last time i went back to Ohio i did ask an Amish fellow i knew in Middlefield if he ever heard of Thrapp or WITTS, then explained the context and supposed "history". He of course had never heard of either and thought it was preposterous.

Hiding behind a group of peace-loving, moral, and hardworking people because they are seclusive, and because most people have no idea about them (which allows absurd tall tales to fill their heads).... is fraudulent and morally reprehensible.

The US government is now going after Amish people for not pasteurizing milk. It shows me they don't give a damn about them or their culture... so i would not be surprised to find out that a professionally done psy-ops scam (probably done by NSA or shills working for them), designed to discredit the subject of free energy and turn people off from actual research, would cynically use the Amish as a "blind".

FAIL.