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[Groundloop]

@Inquorate,

The oscillator did stop again. So I swapped the two batteries and the
oscillator did start to run again. It seems to me that the oscillator takes
the power to run from the left battery. I have updated the log posted
on my web site: http://home.no/ufoufoufoufo/CLOSED%20LOOP%20TEST.txt

Here is how I run the circuit for test:


Groundloop.

[Xenomorph]

I put together Groundloops circuit.
The amp draw is very high and seems to knock down the left battery
pretty much.
From what i see in your tests, your left battery also goes deeply into its knees, so maybe it should be considered normal.
I am thinking of a way to actually make sure the oscillation is working.

[Groundloop]

@Xenomorph,

You need to use drained batteries to see the "charge" effect.
Try two really drained batteries. I started out with two sulphated batteries
where one was 4 Volt and the other 6 Volt. If you use fully charged batteries
then the current draw will be way too high. You can use a radio receiver on
the long wave band to check if the oscillator runs, or a o-scope.

Groundloop.

[torpex]

Hi all

My little replication for interesting Groundloop circuit:

My setup:
IRFZ48 -> BUZ71, SSS2N60B, ST-P16NF06
BY255 -> BY399 (2 diodes input and output)
BYV29 -> BYQ28E-200
Two dead batteries 12v7A. Bt1: 8,49v Bt2: 9.58v
Toroid: 40 mm, PIT (i think), 52 turns 0.9 mm non-twisted. But the color is blue

Note: first attempt, does not oscillate, only Bat1 drain current, no effect.
L1 invert, then oscillate. Drain current very erratic, adjust 100kpot, 0.02 A to 0.64 A. Fit around 0.1 A, bat1 down voltage to 5v (same efect with lamp 12v0.1A, it is dead).
Bat2.- Rise voltage a little 9.62v over 4 hours, but no real charge. Bat1: 4,16v

Oscillation erratic, jumped by399 (in and/or out) helps the oscillation. This effect had already observed in this type of circuits.

Results: Very poor, probably the toroid is not adequate and different mosfet.

Regards

[Groundloop]

@torpex,

Did you see any voltage climb in battery 1?

When I adjust the pot meter then I first set it to zero Ohm and then
a little back until the voltage in the battery 1 drops 0,1 volt. You must
adjust the circuit so that the oscillator barely runs with little input
current usage. What you are looking for is an increase in voltage in
battery 1. It takes many hours to test this.

You should also test the circuit as a regular battery charger powered
from a power supply. You will find that this circuit works very well as
a battery charger.

@All

I have terminated the test. No more time this weekend to do testing.
I have updated the test log and has uploaded the log to my web site.

Regards,
Groundloop.

[Inquorate]

hi guys, the circuit I described here;

Bedini coil Tesla Switch Hybrid - Heretical Builders

Controls the amperage, and works with charged, new batteries and probably sulfated ones.

[Xenomorph]

@Inquorate:
May i ask you some questions about the circuit



Is that a battery under the left coil or a cap?
The plus and negative rails on the very left side are going where?
How exactly is the SCR connected to the neo?

[Inquorate]

Hello all,
I have recently converted a small SSG to Ossie's MSG circuit. Firstly, as mentioned previously, the conversion is very straight forward and worth the effort. I have had time to observe closely the benefits of the MSG circuit and can confirm a tangible efficiency of 83%, I say tangible because that is what the analysis suggests. Too early in the day to confirm this via load tests but I do plan to carry out continual load tests on the MSG circuit.

Initial analysis has shown a 150% increase in current to the charge bank compared with the standard SSG circuit configuration, solely from the additional current seen by the charge bank during the coil charge. This current increased significantly depending on the strength of the rotor magnets and adjustments in base resistance.

Regards Lee...

Sounds like we need to keep the current down.. Once the magnetic field is established, and cut the current. If the source battery ions get a run up, we lose

[digitz]

Yes, the charging must be set to very low, so it can go over the threshold where batteries gain energy.
And prolly, the settings of the pot must be set differently on very discharged batteries and normally discharged ones.

[Inquorate]

@Inquorate:
May i ask you some questions about the circuit



Is that a battery under the left coil or a cap?
Badly drawn battery.
The plus and negative rails on the very left side are going where?
Actual earth ground; may help, just thought I'd throw it in there
How exactly is the SCR connected to the neo?
It (neon or zener diode) is connected over the anode and the gate of the scr; the anode is on the cap positive.

I did a very bad job drawing that pic in retrospect. Here's another, clearer schematic;

24052010400.jpg - Vox

Just theory; if the battery does charge itself in the presence of an electrostatic strain over time (analogous to a rubbed balloon attracting paper - paper is charged, and moving charge is current, hence electrostatic strain causes current in attempt to equalize the strain) then the scr and neon should increase the charging effect.

Sorry xeno, I hadn't noticed your post. Hope this helps

Ps it would have to be a real small capacitor, to fire everytime the coil collapsed...

[rave154]

Inq have you seen the youtube video on electrostatic induction ?

its crappy sound so you will have to turn the volume way up, but keep your hand on the volume to turn it down as it wavers up & down.

basically it offers a way of getting a genuine "free" charge from the earth and only having to "pay" once to charge up your initial rig.

YouTube - electrostatic induction

alll it would require would be some switching to collect the "free" charge in the "collector"..and something to move the initial charge closer & far away from the "collector" ( or at least something that achieves the equivelent of this )

[Xenomorph]

alll it would require would be some switching to collect the "free" charge in the "collector"..and something to move the initial charge closer & far away from the "collector" ( or at least something that achieves the as this )

In other words "work" that you DO pay for ...

[torpex]

Hi Groundloop

My tests have been very few. I have not seen an increase in the battery 1, my batteries are fully discharged when connected start to recover after the initial pull, it is difficult to observe. I need test with batteries midle charge.

Looking at the circuit does not understand how as can be get power to the battery 1. The rithgt diode by255 I think it is not necessary. In charger mode with PSU half cycle is wasted, diode BYV29 block direct current to bat2, only bemf. Can it be? I need test that too

Another curiosity is that my circuit worked best with the intercalated dmm to measure amps.
I have to check the 180 resistor, i have used a 2-3 w may be inductive.

Regards

[Groundloop]

@torpex,

Attached is a circuit that allow you to test for the charging "effect" on a
single battery. (I use two because mine are down to 5,5 volt.) The single
battery should have less than 12 volt in it, but above 11 volt.

I have used resistors to limit the current into the circuit. The circuit runs
in a "current starved mode" at approx. 25 Hz. The pot meter is at 100K.
The combined voltage at the start of the test was 11,00 Volt.
Now, 3 hours later the voltage is 11.76 volt. The voltage
is climbing slower that it take paint to dry, so you need a lot of patience
observing the circuit. :-)

Regards.
Groundloop.

[Inquorate]

@torpex,

Attached is a circuit that allow you to test for the charging "effect" on a
single battery. (I use two because mine are down to 5,5 volt.) The single
battery should have less than 12 volt in it, but above 11 volt.

I have used resistors to limit the current into the circuit. The circuit runs
in a "current starved mode" at approx. 25 Hz. The pot meter is at 100K.
The combined voltage at the start of the test was 11,00 Volt.
Now, 3 hours later the voltage is 11.76 volt. The voltage
is climbing slower that it take paint to dry, so you need a lot of patience
observing the circuit. :-)

Regards.
Groundloop.

Dude, you're a magician
I had thought it wouldn't be possible with the same source and charge, even if it does take a while.

Wow.