Say hello to BP's legacy

[jibbguy]

*sighs*

This is how it works folks:

You create deliberately bogus claims on YouTube to help HIDE the real crimes. Each bogus claim contains a small kernel of Truth; bathed in B-S. When the absurd claim is exposed as BS, that kernel of truth gets buried along with it.

Example:

Claims that B-P is spraying poisonous dispersant on LAND, are not true; and there is no evidence at all for this. They were spraying it 100 km out to sea (beyond the reach of many US Federal laws regarding pollution). And believe me, this was BAD ENOUGH.

In a week or two, someone will get on the MSM and say how absurd all these claims are, and later many people will AUTOMATICALLY DISCOUNT the real claims as bogus too.

This trick works for them ALL THE TIME. The first time we saw it used very blatantly and openly was in the 2004 presidential election:

Anybody remember "Dan Rather"? He was about the last sticking-up nail in the mainstream media left who hadn't been cowed or corrupted yet. At the time, there were FOUR confirmed stories of reliable witnesses supporting the story that bush didn't bother to do his Texas Air National Guard requirements that kept him out of Viet Nam (and that he got that gig from patronage, "the old boys network", over thousands of others applicants on the sign-up list). FOUR of them; including ranking military officers, and a professor from Harvard who said that bush even bragged about it to him.

Well, what they did to KILL that story totally... Was to use a Texas Republican party operative and lawyer, to send a COMPLETELY PHONY story in to Dan Rather's editor. She ran with the story, as the FIFTH proof of bush cheating and lying about his military service. Then, the news came out that this particular "sheep dipped" story was bogus, and they used the media to trumpet that all over... COMPLETELY DISCOUNTING THE FOUR REAL STORIES. All this is verifiable fact now. There is no question this is what happened.

Here are the ACTUAL dangers that they are suppressing:

Burning the dispersant /oil mix creates highly toxic gasses in the atmosphere. When the winds are from the South, these are blown towards the Gulf coast. When it rains, these are deposited over the land in a blanket; which is the worst manifestation of it. Even when it doesn't rain, the fumes still are dangerous. Since they are NOT water soluable... they can stick around for about a month before breaking up to something a bit less toxic. That stuff is like "toluene" in composition.

This is what is likely killing the crops in Mississippi. That should be the "canary in the coal mine" for Public Health; if it kills crops it will kill people and animals too.

But so far the national corporate-owned mainstream media is completely ignoring this and has not reported on it. THIS IS A CRIME.

There have been a couple.. ASS-COVERING comments made in the Louisiana local news that i have seen; this is where some of the "P-P-M" data has come from. But even locally, this is not getting hardly any reporting (1 minute of AIR TIME, less than the local sports?); nor are the "dots being connected" to give people an idea of the real hazard.

What this is quickly becoming imo, is the graveyard of the corporate owned mainstream media... Pushed to being more blatant than usual because their clients the oil corps are getting desperate and starting to panic because they sense the danger of losing control.

WE WILL USE THIS to destroy them all.... Put the executives in prison, make sure the talking heads we see on TV are prosecuted, or at least their careers ended forever.

When the truth finally comes out about how deadly this airborne poison is... And how they refused to report on a highly important Public Health issue... It will cause a huge anger.

Every day the corporate mainstream media refuses to report on the health dangers, is another decade in their prison terms. Even judges and prosecutors will be forced to act here, they will have no choice.

They will go down over this. Because that is one straw too many. These media executives will have to change their names, hire security, and never go out. Because you cannot put people's children at risk of death, and not expect EVEN THE SLEEPIEST "SHEEPLE" out there not to react... It is "instinctual" this time. And the people behind this have BADLY miscalculated.

But we should look very carefully at EVERY piece of the puzzle here regarding this disaster. Much of it WILL be dis-info. There are horrors and hideous nightmares here enough;

WE DON'T NEED "NWO" CRAP MESSING IT UP,

muddying the water, turning off thinking people, and giving them excuses to discount all the VERY REAL dangers.

[ashtweth]

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[jibbguy]

Published today (may be a little redundant to you guys here).

"Message to the Media: GET THE NEWS OUT NOW!"

OpEdNews - Diary: Message to the Media: GET THE NEWS OUT NOW!

[ashtweth]

Just as well we are not paying Jib by the hour LOL..thanks man, adding now, be "fun": to send this on record (like we do) to news places and expose the ones who did not warn the public. Here comes another 911

Ash

[jibbguy]

Lol thats funny.

Just to be clear, the reason why they are not telling anyone of the dangers "down-wind" from the burning of the oil/dispersant mix, is because they would then either have to stop the burning immediately, or evacuate the entire coastal Gulf area. Of course it would be the former!

That would mean they would have to haul this poisonous crap to shore to be processed under EPA-approved means, which would cost them plenty...

So essentially this is the case: Millions are being put at very serious health risk, so BP can save money.

Now, i ask you all: Why are our "Champions of Truth" on the airwaves, continuing to concentrate their talk about the conspiracy aspects of this and the wilder theories of mass destruction (of which there is no evidence all),

And are ignoring the real dangers from airborne poisons, which have very clear scientific evidence, and are happening RIGHT NOW ???

PLEASE think about that very carefully folks.

[IndianaBoys]

FEMA Plans to Evacuate Tampa Bay Area In Place?

FEMA Plans to Evacuate Tampa Bay Area In Place?

FEMA Plans to Evacuate Tampa Bay Area In Place? : Veterans Today

June 23, 2010 posted by Robert O'Dowd

Maryann Tobin, Examiner.com, reported that FEMA has plans in place for the evacuation of the Tampa Bay area in the event of a controlled burn of oil threatening to take toxic plumes through Tampa Bay.

Updated 6/29/2010
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Calm before the storm? Some experts say Florida could be in trouble as a result of problems related to the Gulf of Mexico. Courtesy: bayareacertifiedcleaners.com

(TAMPA, Fla.) – There’s no question that the Gulf oil spill is the biggest environmental disaster in the history of this country and maybe the world.

FEMA has plans to evacuate the Tampa Bay area in the event of a controlled burn of surface oil in the Gulf of Mexico, or if wind or other conditions are expected to take toxic fumes through Tampa Bay, according to a report by Maryann Tobin in the Hernando County Political Buzz Examiner.

Tobin has been a freelance writer for more than twenty years, writing for local publications in New York and Florida. Maryann Tobin’s news story has generated high reader interest. It’s obvious that the Gulf oil spill continues to be the leading story in the media as long as the oil well remains uncapped and the threat of exposure to environmental hazards like benezene exists.

For Maryann Tobin’s news story on the FEMA plan to evacuate Tampa, see: Florida Gulf oil spill: Plans to evacuate Tampa Bay area are in place – examiner.com Maryann Tobin has been following the BP oil spill with a series of short, hard hitting news stories for weeks. Click on this link for access to some of Tobin’s news stories on the Gulf spill: Search Results for “mary ann tobin gulf oil” – examiner.com

FEMA may use their hurricane evacuation plan for Tamp and other cities on the Gulf. Tobin reported that, “plans would be announced in the event of a controlled burn of surface oil in the Gulf of Mexico, or if wind or other conditions are expected to take toxic fumes through Tampa Bay.”

The hurricance seasons poses additional risks of a storm surge, which would push water and oil inland. Art Horn, a metrologist from Manchester, Connecticut, writing in Energy Tribune on June 21st used the term “Oilcane” to describe the effects of hurriane winds on the oil in the Gulf from the BP’s gusher, “Should a major hurricane push the spill towards the gulf coast there will be nothing that can be done to stop it. No amount of planning or engineering will help. No number of visits to the gulf by the president or any other official will stop the inevitable. The storm surge will drive the water and the oil miles inland.” Click on the following link to access Horn’s complete article, “An Oilicane?”

If you’re a conspiracy advocate and I’m not, you may see some devious FEMA plot to do away with people. In fact, if the crude oil nears Tampa Bay and burn off is used on the oil spill, there may be health risk of inhalation exposure to inhabitants. It follows that evacuation as in the case of a hurricane is a logical alternative. An informed source told us on June 25th that there were reports of the smell of oil in the Tampa Bay area. Real or imaginations running wild?

Joel Achenback, Washington Post staff writer, in an article of June 23rd entitled “Each Day Another Way to Define Worst-Case for Oil Spill,” reported that Matt Simmons, founder of Simmons and Co., an oil investment firm and “and since the April 20 blowout, the unflagging source of end-of-the-world predictions. “Can you imagine evacuating 20 million people? . . . This story is 80 times worse than I thought.”

The only thing for sure is that this story is not going away as long as the well is unplugged and the crude oil continues to spread into the Gulf.

Chemicals in crude oil and dispersants can cause a wide range of health effects in people and wildlife, depending on the level of exposure and susceptibility. Crude oil has many highly toxic chemical ingredients that can damage every system in the body. Dispersant chemicals can affect many of the same organs. For more information on this, see: Gulf Oil Spill Health Hazards – sciencecorps.org/ The email contact for Maryann Tobin is tobin522@gmail.com.







IndianaBoys

[ashtweth]

Why do they need to burn it when they can recover the OIL and salt water?

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Is this deliberate?

Ash

[shawn]

Why do they need to burn it when they can recover the OIL and salt water?

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Is this deliberate?

Ash

That is the problem....they don't need to burn it.....but for some reason they want to.
I empathize with your frustration.

[ashtweth]

Rick/ALL, check it out looks like its the boys club again

The architects of cap and trade included former BP CEO. The sales of stock on the dawn of the BP Gulf disaster were of the oil portions of the company, not the solar/wind portions. Goldman Sachs and BP stand to make trillions through cap and trade. Obama is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the last 20 years.

BP = 'Beyond Petrolium' or 'Beyond Ponzi'

You can't eliminate the criminals as long as the payoff of crime is still possible. Druglords will rule the world as long as government gives them a monopoly by making drugs illegal. The solution the government provides drugs to any and all addicts at cost. This will takes trillions from the Money Lords who receive and invest that money. No courageous politician or leader can do that. Only an outraged and mobilized national populace that won't take no for an answer Bankers will rule the world as long as they have a monopoly of credit...

[sigzidfit]

That is the problem....they don't need to burn it.....but for some reason they want to.
I empathize with your frustration.

Whatever the reason(s) the fire is necessary. Perhaps it is CHEAPER to burn the product rather than deliver to a customer? Perhaps delivery isn't an issue but the customer is? Perhaps the real issue is standing between the producer and the customer?

Peace
PJ

[navigator]

Whatever the reason(s) the fire is necessary. Perhaps it is CHEAPER to burn the product rather than deliver to a customer? Perhaps delivery isn't an issue but the customer is? Perhaps the real issue is standing between the producer and the customer?

Peace
PJ

The only reason the fire is necessary is a lack of skimmers, these fires and the gas they are flaring is putting a huge amout of toxins and pollution into the air.

The oily soup collected in the booms could pumped into a tanker instead of being burned.

[shawn]

The only reason the fire is necessary is a lack of skimmers, these fires and the gas they are flaring is putting a huge amout of toxins and pollution into the air.

The oily soup collected in the booms could pumped into a tanker instead of being burned.

Exactly.....they have a lack of skimmers as they keep turning people away.
The technology is cheap and easy to mass produce and then deploy on any oil carrying barge or vessel.
Bp and the gov't were turning boats away as they didn't have some paperwork done. As if that makes any sense.
If they suck up a boatload and then sink or spill it , the problem is made no worse as it is already incredibly bad (so what is this inspection/paperwork bs?).
Plus, the boat owners could then deposit the crude into a receiving depot and get paid for the resource which is worth a fair dollar.
Pay them the same price per barrel (or gallon) that the oil companies get and you would see lots of ships sucking up the black gold.

Burn it......that is the height of stupidity......insult on injury.

[witsend]

Exactly.....they have a lack of skimmers as they keep turning people away.
The technology is cheap and easy to mass produce and then deploy on any oil carrying barge or vessel.
Bp and the gov't were turning boats away as they didn't have some paperwork done. As if that makes any sense.
If they suck up a boatload and then sink or spill it , the problem is made no worse as it is already incredibly bad (so what is this inspection/paperwork bs?).
Plus, the boat owners could then deposit the crude into a receiving depot and get paid for the resource which is worth a fair dollar.
Pay them the same price per barrel (or gallon) that the oil companies get and you would see lots of ships sucking up the black gold.

Burn it......that is the height of stupidity......insult on injury.

I SO agree with this post. Surely anything that helps should be used. I've said it before. This thread just hurts to read. What a catastrophe.

[sigzidfit]

So, let's say there's 100,000 barrels per day of OIL coming out of the hole.

How much GAS do you think is coming out? There's a number I haven't heard yet.

I'm sorry, as long as the well flows, there's probably gonna be a fire, until something else can be done with the gas.

[shawn]

Burning the gas, and, skimming then burning oil are two separate issues/things.
Gas....being lighter than air rises into the atmosphere, so how does this conflict with scooping up the bonanza of oil floating there just waiting to be collected.
And I heard that they are already burning a lot of gas fumes.
It is far easier and cheaper to vacuum up oil floating on the water than it is to extract heavy tar from sand like they do in Fort Macmurray, Alberta, yet Suncor spends big dollars to do this...right now and for many previous decades, and it is cheaper by far than squeezing it from the shale which they are working on in the USA in various place.
Catastrophe it is...for sure, but we need to see the silver lining and help others see it as well, then they can clamor for it/demand access to it, and it will help....it could be a small positive step forward.

They are crying about oil shortages and jacking prices up for petroleum products constantly, yet a huge dump of oil, just floating there waiting idly to be collected (easily...no drilling involved anymore) and they treat it like a nuisance which they need to dispose of......that is completely irrational and even insane.