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Ash, they had to back down off of that 20 meter rule... As it was clearly absurd. What they are using now is "safety" issues to keep them away when possible, but it is much less effective than the 20 meter rule was. There is evidence that they were killing off sickened wildlife on the other side of the boat from the cameras, so they wouldn't have to bring the birds or turtles in for de-contamination from the oil (which only a hand full survive anyway).
There is no question that the use of dispersants has made the kill off MUCH MUCH worse. It has even killed off fish populations in areas where no visible oil can be seen. There are photos of the entire surface of the water, for MILES, being "white", like it there was snow or something on it, but it is the white of MILLIONS of small dead fish floating. And the birds that eat these dead fish, soon die themselves. All this , is from the extremely poisonous nature of the dispersant...
WHICH THEY ARE STILL USING IN LARGE QUANTITIES.
And of course burning along with the oil, using the primitive open air "technique" that only destroys about 15% of the poisons, and lofts the rest into the atmosphere.
BP's actions here are so criminal, so blatant, so incredibly INSANE, it is hard to imagine this even taking place. But brave people like Kindra Arnesen, John Waltham (the environmentalist who flies his private plane over the area and makes videos), Dr. Rikki Ott, and many others... PROVE every day that it indeed happening, like some surrealistic nightmare of extreme horror made real.
YOU who are out there, shilling for this "cause".... YOU are not a sociopath, are you? Yet this is what you are ultimately supporting... Murder on a mass scale, not just of an entire environment, but of people. Children and old people will be the first to die from the airborne poisons.
But if officials decided it was too risky to leave the well under pressure during a storm, the valves would be reopened and oil would once again spew into the gulf.
AKA
Spew more so it gets mixed up better.
How is it possible that a storm would at all affect something that deep? Crimp the pipe so the ship on top can float away.
Hahaha LETS FIX IT SO WE CAN ON/OFF IT AT WILL
These guys are professional amateurs.
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Is it just me or does freemason island in the gulf look like a skeleton? google maps.
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Here is a ground-breaking report by DN, that shows that locals who did not trust the EPA's bogus figures, had their own water samples independently tested...
PROVING that the testimony given UNDER OATH to Congress by the EPA that "the use of dispersants not a danger" was UTTERLY FALSE.
When government bureaucrats and criminal corporations CONSPIRE TO LIE, they MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE.
And of course, the national mainstream media STILL REFUSES TO SAY ONE PEEP about this EXTREME PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARD.... Despite their CLEARLY having information FROM THEIR OWN LOCAL AFFILIATES. This must also be PUNISHED: When people start to die from it, they also are criminally liable.
The only good news here, is that those of us who have been working on this are FINALLY starting to see some traction (ive been doing a lot behind the scenes to push these subjects and so have many others). A couple days ago, Bill Ryan of Project Camelot did a presentation where he tells how the many wild theories are BOGUS... and that the real dangers are from the TOXINS. He was the FIRST "alternative new and view" 'web celeb to come out and say that... ALL THE REST are still only pushing their absurd conspiracy theories and somehow NEVER MENTION the real and scientifically PROVED dangers from the dispersants.
THINK ABOUT THAT PEOPLE... IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE BEING CONTROLLED BY THE OIL CORPS, or their "allies". We are being inundated with an unprecedented attack of DIS-INFO that tries to take the blame away from BP by claiming "volcanoes" and other ridiculous CRAP, WITH NOTHING TO PROVE THEM AT ALL.... that obscures the VERY REAL DANGERS to millions of people.
WTF.... Is this also an attempt to destroy the truth movements too? Because when people DO start to die from these poisons, the truth people with their STUPID THEORIES are going to look like RETARDS... Which makes it easier to discount ANYTHING they said in the past, including "9/11" . And frankly, from what i've been seeing here and reporting on ALL ALONG, i wont blame people for thinking that!!
Look folks, if you are not outraged at what is going on here, as the old saying goes: You are not paying attention.
There is a petition/calling/writing/email campaign that is taking your advice m8
It is designed to bombard U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's son "Beau" (the Attorney General of Delaware, where BP's charter is registered for tax purposes); to demand that BP's corporate charter be revoked.
Turning the tables on "Corporate Personhood" that these sociopaths always use to escape Justice... by giving the corporation the DEATH PENALTY
Hi Jib/ALL
I think there is enough examples and subject matter now for us to put together a Panacea Video production on this, The Green change have the right idea i have integrated it on the page BUT their charter should apply to ALL CORPORATE PRACTICE not just BP, the same conditions in the CURRENT charter allow for the WHO/FDA/BP and many others to continue to act under the same CONDITION"s.
Financial ties with influence
Not using the environmental alternative
Not having the same penalties with neglect
Many more
So these examples should be used IN PART to HELP create public pressure (still easy signing) to erect a new charter THAT APPLIES TO ALL CORPORATIONS. Not just BP.
Extra work to do now but productive, keep positing in this thrad guys you are helping to write the production.
Here is an interesting article from BBC discussing how they were caught after releasing a doctored photo of their Crisis Response Center. The Blogger who caught them was quoted as saying:
"I guess if you are doing fake crisis response, you might as well fake a photo of the Crisis Response Center."
I think there is enough examples and subject matter now for us to put together a Panacea Video production on this, The Green change have the right idea i have integrated it on the page BUT their charter should apply to ALL CORPORATE PRACTICE not just BP, the same conditions in the CURRENT charter allow for the WHO/FDA/BP and many others to continue to act under the same CONDITION"s.
Financial ties with influence
Not using the environmental alternative
Not having the same penalties with neglect
Many more
So these examples should be used IN PART to HELP create public pressure (still easy signing) to erect a new charter THAT APPLIES TO ALL CORPORATIONS. Not just BP.
Extra work to do now but productive, keep positing in this thrad guys you are helping to write the production.
Ash
Hi Ash,
There is a great need for us to stop asking Government to keep the peace and start doing it ourselves. imo there is no need to put pressure on anyone to change things that can be changed simply by a shift in mindset.
To me, after doing many, many hours research into this subject, GreenChange is one of those organisations that just screams SCAM... the divide and conquer type.
Its website is amazingly well put together and they seem so well organized Yet their aims (as you suggest) are limited to just this one situation. Seems decidedly short sighted doesn't it?
Give people a place which focuses on solving the affect and not the cause whilst making it seem like its the other way around and you have the makings of a very affective smokescreen.
I think a video to cover the disaster is a great idea. I have thoroughly enjoyed your others but please think twice about promoting GreenChange. The greatest charter of them all for limiting corporations is Common Law (Anglo-saxon) and the education of "We the People" to uphold it.
I can give you some good links on it if your interested?
Hi freeweaver, i know and study the free man and common law stuff, in fact we have used it it before This is why there is a page on the Panacea site we have experience.
A shift in mindset makes the Charter, you have to have LAWS and governmental accountability other wise you have to police the mindset of people who don't care and you cannot do that .
A charter is the only way to police the mindset, once things get decided we the people erect the charter to ensure accountability and code of conduct.
This "mindset" alone cannot police corruption, too much of it in ALL levels in 2010 sadly. BP doesn't care about a mindset , even if people are getting ill health effects. Neither does the government, but a charter can make the people make them care
Here is an interesting article from BBC discussing how they were caught after releasing a doctored photo of their Crisis Response Center. The Blogger who caught them was quoted as saying:
"I guess if you are doing fake crisis response, you might as well fake a photo of the Crisis Response Center."
Normally we only use Photoshop for the typical purposes of colour correction and cropping," the Washington Post quoted Mr Dean as saying."We've instructed our post-production team to refrain from doing this in the future.
Normally...Normally i bet it would make your skin crawl with what they do, that's another smoke and mirrors..they did not count on the MODERN information age did they?
Peter, i just got back from a conference with Stephan Bassest from the paradigm research group (political activism against the UFO embargo )Disclosure Project
They used the same revealing digital analytic process as they did with BP..He stated that the book Hillery Clinton was carrying in the photo of her and Rockefeller was about extraterrestrial presence in the universe and that this ruined the debunkers claims of the Clintons never meeting with Rockefeller about disclosure.
Stephan showed other examples even the Roswell photo in the paper could be "sampled" this way. In the Snap of the fake weather balloon, the military guy was carrying the Saucer report! They found it out by enhancement!
It reveled details of bodies recovered and much more. Stephan has all the talents and holds as much of a great conference as you do Peter, a great man doing this non profit..he was impressed with the open source communities work and us showing him Stiffler NILS circuit and the Steorn device in pieces plus our 1000 + signatures for Exopolitics...
Any how ..so even after THEY know that this can be done they go ahead and do photoshop, thats pretty sloppy..we are not stupid learn from your mistakes..you BP will from this spill
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