Say hello to BP's legacy

[jibbguy]

Matthew, please define "hippy-like". As an ad hominem, it is pretty lame, lol... Even though it is sufficiently vague that anyone can add their own negative connotations to it as they like We would like to hear yours.

Those who would incite violence would be the first to die or be incarcerated... And i am not sure that i would disagree with this in all cases! Violence against entities with several types of focused energy weapons at their disposal (...this info is in the mainstream, and not "free energy" related at all), and with a thousand "conventional" ways to kill us with great efficiency, is totally, and utterly, FOOLISH from a strictly "military" standpoint.

But what is even more foolish, is playing right into their hands by trying to.

The only way to win this, is to use Gandhi's tactics. He fought a brilliant strategic and tactical "war".... without firing a shot. He defeated the largest most powerful empire since Rome by doing it. He did it by maintaining the moral high ground, and mobilizing a huge grass roots movement.

There is NO QUESTION AT ALL, that this is FEARED much more than hooded thugs (many of them actually using the excuse of a "Cause" to do violence for personal reasons), shooting deer rifles at armored personnel carriers.

I would urge you all TO NOT LISTEN to anyone who condones violence as a means of "regaining control of our government". They are either dead wrong, or shills playing a game on us. And, as a simple practical matter, you DO NOT want to be on that government "list" anyway, lol

And regarding agent provocateurs that would attempt to create the APPEARANCE of riots for propaganda reasons, this has happened, and has been proved to happen last year in Pittsburgh, as well as other places in recent years. But we are not talking about some students and activists in a local peaceful protest being "sheep dipped" here by plain clothed officers.... We are talking about a huge and unstoppable REAL mob of outraged people... which is an entity onto itself... and a totally different "animal".

When this happens, it has been proved that the actions of a mob can be predicted exactly the same as a rat in a maze... There is a collective psyche and emotional response that seems to turn a mob into "a single organism" in some behavioral ways (some have claimed that human pheromones released by these emotions in the air help in this). THAT is why it is a known fact, that certain events will lead to public mobs, and that once that happens, the results are fully predictable. St. Petersburg Rusia, 1917. Paris, France 1789. Seoul Korea... every few months lol

It is true, that the actions of an individual cannot be predicted with any sort of accuracy. Yet collectively, they can.

This is why, those who could be the focus of these mobs, need to worry about them

[sigzidfit]

I looks like BP has regained control of their well.

Can you feel it? That warm after trauma buzz.

Now is the time for the PTB to roll out your new heroes. Those brave men and their machines that saved you from doom and the righteous legislators who will protect you from those mean old oil barons.

The addled minded public will moan as they pay that extra buck or two per gallon to fill up the SUV and continue to throw the nations best down the 5hit hole in a mass ritual human sacrifice that has been occurring in the middle east for the last ten years.

Meanwhile, the Secret Societies are in the back room jerking off to the images of death and misery they have created.

The reckoning will continue.

[ashtweth]

Plenty of room in Aust guys and at the Panacea donated farm(s) Ask the Un to drop you guys off Panacea

YouTube - Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks

[Aromaz]

BP, EXXON, SHELL, MOBIL . . . - all the oil giants.

Punish them Kill them, destroy them . . .

Oh, Sh....t where am I going to get petrol for my car from?

Damn, I forgot about the plastic bottles for my drinks.

What about my clothes - there is not enough cotton or wool to make
clothes for all humans!

I love pushing a button to get light in my room; or I love punching
this keyboard. BTW - 96+ % of the computer you are working on is
thanks to fossil oils; like the ones BP extract from earth and ocean.

How many oil rigs are there in the world? How many belongs to BP.
How many oil rigs had a disaster like this? How long since we used
oil rigs?

Hey, even NUCLEAR reactors can not exist without OIL !!!

Be realistic. Remove the oil and their giants and we all will have to go
live like the Amish did 50 years ago. Even THEY are now using products
from BP and the likes !!!!

Better; we will need to go back to 1780 and start science all over.

[morpher44]

Nuka is dead

Better; we will need to go back to 1780 and start science all over.

Can we at least, then, make the BP execs take a swim in the gulf with the dolphins?

I'm a subscriber to chaos theory .. and this oil spill is just a tad bigger
than the so called "butterfly wings" that change the world.
I think what is not well understood is what is going to happen next
due to this disaster.

There will be weather implications.
The food chain will be damaged ... possibly causing
blooms and die-offs in the animal kingdom.
Otter That Survived Exxon Valdez Spill Dies In Seattle - News Story - KIRO Seattle
Certain bugs may thrive.

Its too bad we don't yet have nanotechnology so that we can
create little machine that can eat up the oil...
Man's arrogance with science and technology can get is into HUGE trouble.
It can also save the day.
I'm hoping what we learn from this mess is how to
a) prevent it from ever happening again ... and
b) fast and effective ways of cleaning up oil messes like this ... which
will happen again (due to Peter principal).

Nuka ... RIP.
-morpher44

[morpher44]

Boycott?

Did you fill your automobile up today?? Did you go to work??? Did you use a credit card to pay for your gas or anything else???
YOUR THE PROBLEM NOT THE SOLUTION, REMEMBER THAT!! YOUR JUST CRAPPY CONSUMER WHO CAN TYPE HIS/HER 's RHETORIC.
Matt

Emotionally I would want to Boycott BP.
Logically, though, I think there might be a problem with that.
If BP is starved out ... it will have less resources to clean up the mess.
Yes that sends a strong signal to the OTHER oil industry players.
They can look what happened to BP ... as it died on the vine ...
and shiver ... and try to do a better job, etc.
But ...
If BP fails and declares bankruptcy, etc., their ability to pay
the fines, restitution, the clean up effort, the salaries of those
doing the cleaning, etc. etc. will fail as well.

I can so no easy way around the "who's going to pay" problem.
Ultimately this expense is going to be passed on to US, the consumer.

So yes ... I'm just a crappy consumer ... and I will have to pay for
this like all of you.

Perhaps we should only buy from BP ... forcing its competitors to lower
their prices ... and yet BP has to pay for this mess.
There should be an arrangement were ALL BP profit goes to paying
for this mess. Let the company exist, as a non-profit, until they
put this right. So boycott may not be the answer ... but some
legal framework like this .. might help a bit.

People could be encouraged to buy BP ... after this framework is
in place. Let the other oil companies compete with the non-profit BP.

[ashtweth]

I think we should use this opportunity to talk about ALTERNATIVES Already.
This is really bad news for us all

Ash

[Aromaz]

screw BUYING bp MAN, SERIOUSLY.
Some ONE SHOW ME HOW HEMP CAN BE Beaten TO BEAT OIL
PLASTICS AND MANY MORE.

LETS TALK About ALTERNATIVES Already
Thanks

There is not enough soil on the world to cultivate enough material for making
clothes and still produce food for 6.8 billion people. Have you seen the factories in China, Korea, Indonesia, Phillippines, India that are making - only T-shirts?

I have been there - I am 'there'. A SMALL factory has 6,000 to 10,000 employees and produce around 80,000 T-shirts each and every day of some 330 days per year. Bigger factories has 20,000 workers. And of these there are at least 200 in China alone.

Now add shoes, shorts, trousers . . .
Oh and all those things your wife or mother use in the kitchen, plastic?
Your bedding; your bag - skin lotions . . .

Besides this - there is barely enough land to produce food, nevermind hemp for clothes.

No mate; it is too late. Fossil fuels will be our destiny until at least we might be able to mine on other planets.

BP et all - remove BP and feel what it is like to stand for hours in a que
to get petrol for your car. Or as a preparation; come to Indonesia or India
and experience it today - even with BP in full production; often there is a shortage of fuel and we have to wait in que for up to two days, sleeping in the car just to get 20 liters of gasoline. After all, BP is only the third largest oil producer in the world?

The USA alone is using around 24% of all-world production of oil.
The USA has only 4.5% of the world population.

AND on top of this:

BP is the worlds 3rd largest producer of Solar pannels - Alternative energy
BP is the worlds LARGEST producer of Wind Power and Generation - alternative energy.
BP was the worlds first BIG BOY to jump on the waggon of BioFuels and to this day is still its biggest contributor.
BP invested US$ 2.8Bn in development of fuel from Algae and Sugar cane.

- And I am not a British Petrolium fan!!

Just reality and fairness that propels me to this tread.

After all, the whole debacle was not even BP's doing.

BP is 65% stakeholder with USA company Anadarko PC (APC) and
Japanese Mitsui as the other shareholders. But of more interest is the pure fact that this particular "Deepwater Horizon - was a APC opperation!

This was not a producing well, it was still in an EXPLORATION stage by APC.
The accident was due to a BLOWOUT - very common happening when oil drilling since 1930'ss - mostly in USA.

This blowout became a disaster for two reasons:
A) the force of pressue in the reservoir was bigger than calculated/expected.
That is usually whay there is a stop-valve at the entrance to the hole
B) The manufacturer of the particular pipe and valves at the bottom of the sea had material flaw, and they were probably American anyway; now hiding in some obscure hole.

To see BP taking up the bill is not to be seen as BP is the guilty one.

[ashtweth]

Emotions will probably be running hi in this thread

[ashtweth]

>There is not enough soil on the world to cultivate enough material for making
clothes and still produce food for 6.8 billion people. Have you seen the factories in China, Korea, Indonesia, Phillippines, India that are making - only T-shirts?

Hemp can replace all you describe renew-ably, in fact there is no renewable industry for clothes, building materials,, food and many other with out hemp.


Ash

[jibbguy]

Even after we take away their monopolies on Energy in the future by using alternatives to oil, they will still have 30% of their business... Not too bad, considering that what they should really have instead, is making license plates in Sing Sing

Could it happen "right now"? No. Could, in the span of two years after
"Disclosure", the use of oil be cut significantly, as world manufacturing "tools up" and starts producing the new energy techs in mass quantities?

Yes.

This "problem" with offshore drilling in deep water goes way beyond what are claimed to have been "accidents" by BP: These wells are INHERENTLY dangerous for many reasons, and these dangers rise exponentially when they put wells in deeper and deeper water (especially when they build them exactly where nearly EVERY major hurricane in the western hemisphere goes by). There is no friggin way that well would withstand a full hurricane hitting it.

Hmm.... then we could SIMPLY NOT DRILL IN DEEP WATER ??

Heeding this little bit of unwelcome sanity will not "send us back to the stone age" or even the 1700's folks.... i guarantee it

But it may stop our oceans , and entire ecostructure , from being destroyed.

[Aaron]

nuke the well?

GodLikeProductions.com Video - Audio & Image Hosting | Simmons Says Government Should Take Over BP Oil Clean Up Video

Bloomberg report - nuke the well and other LARGER plume coming from "somewhere" else.

[Aaron]

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion

By Joe Kishore
10 May 2010

In 2009, the Obama administration intervened to support the reversal of a court order that would have halted offshore oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Obama’s Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, who has long had close ties to the industry, specifically cited BP’s Deepwater Horizon operation as one that should be allowed to go forward, according to a group involved in the court case.


whole story:

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion

[Aromaz]

Hmmm . . . Maybe this is one of the Scale of Revelations

One third of the waters in the world turns to blood!

At least BP would than have contributed to a fullfillment of prophesy.

[ashtweth]

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion

By Joe Kishore
10 May 2010

In 2009, the Obama administration intervened to support the reversal of a court order that would have halted offshore oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Obama’s Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, who has long had close ties to the industry, specifically cited BP’s Deepwater Horizon operation as one that should be allowed to go forward, according to a group involved in the court case.


whole story:

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion

>who has long had close ties to the industry,

Same thing as happened in Iraq. There should be a corporation CHARTER, preventing this kind of profit , the FDA have ties to the pills, Cheney in Iraq , i think a corporation charter is the only real time solution for this.

Thanks for that Aaron

Ash