Say hello to BP's legacy

[alltruetech]

BP should pay loads of $$$ for the victims who suffered the oil leak.

[witsend]

What strikes me about this disaster is that it seems one of Nature's fragile safeguards has been broken. The spillage may prove to be unstoppable. One hopes not. It's a terrifying prospect. But even if this is finally managed then the good news is that deep drilling - anywhere - may, hopefully, be banned - forever - by International charter. And while that may line the pockets of our oil producers in the near term - with hysterical fears of shortages - the fact is that it's finally also dirtied the face of a major oil producer. That's bound to stick. And it'll rub off on ALL our oil producers. I see reference - all over the place - to clean oil. LOL. That's a contradiction in terms. The simple fact is that the dangers to drilling are now, finally, surfacing - at the rate of 4M gallons and climbing? There is nothing safe about our profligate oil useage.

With oil being this unpopular it should further feed into the exploration and use of alternate energy sources. That's a good thing guys. Let's hope the attention to OU will be included in that exploration list. It's a sad way to finally get the required attention. But I get it that Nature herself has 'had enough'. I think we've all been somewhat irresponsible. Let's hope they'll fix this leak and then remember these dangers. Else we're looking at end times.

[Cherryman]

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[anut]

Hi Folks, i think the ultimate solution now is to reduce our dependency on oil. Can we not just do something at grassroot levels in ways to reduce our dependency on oil? Say, switching to some self-running AE devices that can be replicated in a very short time frame?

(EDIT: The oststacle is, not every AE device posted in this forum and in ou forum is truly functional. if we have something functional at hand, we can start from there.)

[Cloxxki]

Hi Folks, i think the ultimate solution now is to reduce our dependency on oil. Can we not just do something at grassroot levels in ways to reduce our dependency on oil? Say, switching to some self-running AE devices that can be replicated in a very short time frame?

(EDIT: The oststacle is, not every AE device posted in this forum and in ou forum is truly functional. if we have something functional at hand, we can start from there.)

Windmills are easy to build from dumpster parts. at least I've seen impressive Youtube video's to that extent.
Imagine the energy density of average wind, which blows everywhere. Look out your window. What percentage do you estimate your immadiate neighbourhood is extracting from the available wind?
I look out of my wind, and see 1 centuries old windmill, still used to mill produce. At 5-10 miles, I can see larger windmills for electricity generation. But the amount of houses, cars and industry in this region out-power it by several powers of magnitudes. Not one house of the thousands I see from my office window, features a windmills of any kind. But you should stand on such a roof, at a random moment...serious power unused there.
See the trees waving? Try to make a tree wave like that with muscle force on a wind free day.
With binoculars, I can maybe find 5 roofs with some sort of solar collectors setup. That's an optimistic guess. Ever stood on a dark colored roof in the sun?

We are allowing ourselves to be dependent on oil as a newborn is to care from adults. Only, without oil/gas, we will not die. Mild discomfort will be our part, quickly overcome with alternatives.

[IndianaBoys]

Oppenheimer Biotechnology and Osprey Biotechnics

Another company similar to Oppenheimer has made the news.

They are also waiting like Oppenheimer to hear back from BP on the use of their products.

BP is continuing to introduce dispersants to hide the magnitude of how much oil and other toxins are spilling into the Gulf while these natural remedies mother nature produces are being shut out. These natural remedies from Mother Earth could be dispersed into the plumes now billowing to the surface.

Similar parallel to the use of pharmaceuticals when natural remedies from Mother Nature are provided. For instance:

Oil Pulling for a Brighter Smile and Better Health
Oil Pulling For A Brighter Smile and Better Health by Bruce Fife


Some news casts of Osprey Biotechnics and their solution:

Osprey Biotechnics has been featured on Fox 13 News in Tampa for their efforts in the Gulf Coast Oil Spill!
Fox 13 News

Osprey Biotechnics has been featured on CNN Newsroom for their efforts in the Gulf Coast Oil Spill!
cnn Newsroom


Osprey Biotechnics has been featured on 10connects News in Tampa for their efforts in the Gulf Coast Oil Spill!
EDC Sarasota County Government

Osprey Biotechnics has been featured on SNN for their efforts in the Gulf Coast Oil Spill!
EDC Sarasota County Government

Osprey Biotechnics radio interview regarding the Gulf Coast Oil Spill!
http://www.ospreybiotechnics.com/aud..._interview.mp3

Oppenheimer Bioaugmentation:
OBI - Bioaugmentation

IndianaBoys

[anut]

i agree. But there are individuals who will NOT cut down their consumption of oil in favour of the environment. No matter what we do at grassroot levels, they will not stop the cycle of destruction.

Windmills are easy to build from dumpster parts. at least I've seen impressive Youtube video's to that extent.
Imagine the energy density of average wind, which blows everywhere. Look out your window. What percentage do you estimate your immadiate neighbourhood is extracting from the available wind?
I look out of my wind, and see 1 centuries old windmill, still used to mill produce. At 5-10 miles, I can see larger windmills for electricity generation. But the amount of houses, cars and industry in this region out-power it by several powers of magnitudes. Not one house of the thousands I see from my office window, features a windmills of any kind. But you should stand on such a roof, at a random moment...serious power unused there.
See the trees waving? Try to make a tree wave like that with muscle force on a wind free day.
With binoculars, I can maybe find 5 roofs with some sort of solar collectors setup. That's an optimistic guess. Ever stood on a dark colored roof in the sun?

We are allowing ourselves to be dependent on oil as a newborn is to care from adults. Only, without oil/gas, we will not die. Mild discomfort will be our part, quickly overcome with alternatives.

[jibbguy]

Great post Cloxxki. And Anut is right, most people will not change until

GIVEN A GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO.

The way is to let them know there are viable alternatives, that will save these Consumers money, and still allow them to do the "right thing". If we can get enough people aware of the REAL possibilities regarding "Energy", we can see this happen within a few short years: As Greater Public Awareness will create huge pressure to FORCE the proper study of these devices, FORCE the allowing of them to come to market, and FORCE the mainstream media to finally honestly report on them. The Cusp Point of public awareness must be first reached, but when it is... the game is won.

Right now, we see the start up costs of both Wind and Solar prohibitively high. This really is a serious problem, and why they have not been embraced by more consumers. When it takes 6 or 7 years for "ROI", this is still a hard sell when $20k to $60k are needed to invest for average grid-tied systems.

Of course, when the cost issues are examined, we see that Solar panels could be much more efficient, and if manufactured in higher quantities the price would drop very significantly. WHO IS THE BIGGEST PLAYER IN SOLAR??

BP !

Lol, wtf...?

Even a free energy device such as one of the technologies we discuss here, will have serious start up costs associated with it. Of course, being "24/7", they will have significant advantages over most conventional alternative energy techs. But say, it costs "$12,000" for an average Consumer to buy and install one of these Free Energy generators... The Return of Investment period will be much shorter, perhaps under 3 years.... This is what will make a huge difference and "change everything".

Of course, we in the Open Source Energy genre can help with these cost and "ROI" issues, by putting out good info for "do-it-yourselfers" all over the world to benefit from. But, we need to understand, the vast majority of people will need to BUY something, not build it themselves.

But the real problem behind all this, is that once that F-E unit is installed... In the US anyway... The local private power utility corporation that runs the Grid goes from making $3k off of that family a year TO MAKING ZERO from them. In other countries that have Nationalized power utilities, the government itself will resist losing this easy revenue; nobody likes losing their "empire".

And so these entities are fighting this to the bitter end; and spending tons of money in graft and lobbying and illegal control and brow-beating and extortion and internet shills and psy-ops games to see that they remain monopolies and huge, un-elected, political monsters for as long as they can get away with it.

So are the coal conglomerates that supply most of the fuel to them. So are the oil companies that also sell fuel to them, and more importantly, have the monopoly on vehicle fuels. And so are their allies the electrical and heavy industry manufacturers (like "G.E." and the car makers)... who hold their current market share and positions ONLY as long as the current paradigm built around coal and oil exists, Once there is a "level playing field" again where even "start-ups" can grab huge market share quickly; who knows who will be top dog? There is good evidence it will NOT be them, lol.

Lol, it is ironic that Fiscal Conservatives in the US are always complaining about "free markets"... And the bitter reality is, that the people they support are doing their damnest to see that there are no really free markets, only the joke and facade of them.

But the time has come, to put the future and safety of the Planet, and Humanity itself, above the destructive, selfish, and SOCIOPATH desires of corporations and government bureaucrat graspers. We really have no other sane choice left now, and going on as before is just not an option.

The Gulf Disaster illustrates quite clearly what happens when we do.

[ashtweth]

Question, the genetically modified substances they propose to clean up the spill, any one see a problem already? GM? Its GM? whats the long term effects on that...
YouTube - Gulf Oil Spill-Gutsy Solution Restores Environment in Just Six Weeks

In an exclusive interview, Ken Price, a 14 year oil industry veteran, talked about his experience in the industry and his contempt for the failure of B P to cap the Deepwater Horizon spill and the environmental ramifications.

DJW: Have you witnessed corruption first hand in the oil industry?

KP: One time, on a visit to New York, my group got to tour the main office (of oil corporation)and meet some of the higher ups, and it was during this visit that I heard them boast about the actual number and occurrences of oil shortage predictions in the United States. My memory went back to about 1972, the now infamous Arab Oil Embargo. Their memories went back to the early 1900's, with additional ones occurring about every ten years. They freely admitted that it was through the public illusion "of a finite amount of oil being present on the planet", like only a certain number of diamonds in South Africa that they could convince the public to pay a decent profit for it. Otherwise, it would be like charging for water.

Today, I believe we should get on with much more efficient and non polluting resources like crystal hydrogen, hydrogen from water, and a host of others, electric cars for example we could produce in weeks, that are by today's standards a thousand times better than petroleum.

[IndianaBoys]

Question, the genetically modified substances they propose to clean up the spill, any one see a problem already? GM? Its GM? whats the long term effects on that...

Ashtweth,

Steve is being supplied by Clift Industries. To my knowledge, they are not genetically modified.

Major oil companies are fully aware of this product. They are choosing to go another direction.

IndianaBoys

http://www.cliftindustries.com/index.html

This description at one time was displayed on their website:

Bioremediation technology was discovered during World War II. During the extreme research and development in this period, the United States government discovered a technology and a form of bacteria that would degrade oil to a safe level, bioremediation. For decades the technology was categorized as classified until Exxon Valdez. As a last resort the government employed bioremediation on the Alaskan beaches in which there was considerable results.

Bioremediation technology is the use and processing of small living microorganisms to metabolize or digest toxic, hazardous substances into non-toxic safe by-products. The microorganisms degrade, metabolize and chemically transform complex oil and oil by-products compounds into carbon dioxide and water.

These microorganisms (bugs) are safe and occur naturally in the environment. This process requires numerous (million) microorganisms and can take as long as years to break down and digest the complex oil compounds. This process of bioremediation has now been accelerated through technological breakthroughs which are utilized in Oil Vanisher

[rickoff]

Convincing arguments of oil spill foreknowledge

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[cabetcl]

Yeah, there are a lot of private label independent gas stations that could
be supplied by any of the main companies.

Google search:
boycott bp - Google Search

Facebook Boycott BP page - already 1 graphic there to post on people's
pages.
Boycott BP | Facebook

BOYCOTT BP

"Boycott BP Into Bankruptcy" - Cindy Sheehan Talks About War, Peace, the Environment, and Oil Spills (Interview) : Planet Green

etc...

Boycotting BP ????

It is a hard decision to make. on one hand I agree, they need to be punished for their mistakes. But on the other hand, if BP goes bankrupt, who will clean up all the leaked oil? YES this was a horrible accident and BP is at fault. but we need to look at the big picture. BP is cleaning it up, it is going to cost billions to do so. some estimate 100 billion. So what I'm saying is, if BP goes belly up, who will clean it up? most likely the government will have to do it, and when that happens who do you think will pay for it? We will in taxes. the Best way to punish them is to keep them alive so they can clean all the crap up. Let them go bankrupt is the easy way out.

Once BP announced that they are committed to clean up their mess, I only buy BP gasoline. all of you should do the same.

[BenTec]

Boycotting BP ????

It is a hard decision to make. on one hand I agree, they need to be punished for their mistakes. But on the other hand, if BP goes bankrupt, who will clean up all the leaked oil? YES this was a horrible accident and BP is at fault. but we need to look at the big picture. BP is cleaning it up, it is going to cost billions to do so. some estimate 100 billion. So what I'm saying is, if BP goes belly up, who will clean it up? most likely the government will have to do it, and when that happens who do you think will pay for it? We will in taxes. the Best way to punish them is to keep them alive so they can clean all the crap up. Let them go bankrupt is the easy way out.

Once BP announced that they are committed to clean up their mess, I only buy BP gasoline. all of you should do the same.

I thought exactly the same thing this afternoon.

[jibbguy]

They have hundreds of billions in tangible assets... That can easily be frozen by the stroke of a pen. Such as drilling rights, ships, and equipment all over the world. Under such a freeze, they can't dump them.

And in fact, if they try to pull a "re-organization" scheme to weasel out of this as some suspect they are, that is exactly what should be instantly done by the U.S. Department of Justice (as the IRS and government does EVERY DAY to regular people and less "connected" corporations). In fact in this case, if they fail to do exactly that, it would be way too obvious and smell very bad... i don't think even the "turd beautifier" spin meisters could help with that one.

So far, their costs to date on this have not even exceeded their PURE PROFITS. so this is pretty much a non-issue as their pockets are deeper than any of us can imagine.... as long as the DOJ, and Obama, don't decide to commit Seppeku to protect their Lords

[IndianaBoys]

Who really owns BP?

Who really owns BP?

Who owns the World Bank/International Monetary Fund?

Owns in the sense of who controls the decisions to be made.

Hypothesis:
Oil Spill and no remediation equals collapse of infrastructure along the coast which can be purchased at bottom dollar. Then they will begin the remediation after they own/buy up what they want. Build more refineries and bring back jobs, etc....

World Bank/IMF are the puppet masters controlling the puppet strings of BP.

IndianaBoys