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  • Thanks, Steve. I understand, and you are right - this situation calls for some intense citizen action to bring as much heat as possible against the perps in the form of media and public education, and the effort definitely will require more than just a war of words. As you say, brinksmanship will be essential. People who participate will have to be willing to place their boats, their livelihood, and freedom at stake. And what better folks to do that than the fishermen who have already lost their livelihoods and their freedom to trawl the waters. I think that if this movement gets off to a good start, and begins to gather momentum, we are likely to see the perps suddenly plug the leak and douse the flames in advance of the planned event taking place, using this tactic to either cause cancellation of the event, or make the event appear somewhat of a non-event. But even if that occurs, we would still know that the planning and publicizing of the event is what stopped the perps. I like it, Steve. Keep the ideas coming.

    Rick
    "Seek wisdom by keeping an open mind to alternative realities, questioning authority, and searching for truth. Only then, when you see or hear something that has 'the ring of truth' to it, will it be as if a veil has been lifted, and suddenly you will begin to hear and see far more clearly than ever before." - Rickoff

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    • WAR on The World: Rothschild League’s 30 Facts Evidencing Gulf Oil Disaster Was Plann

      WAR on The World: Rothschild League’s 30 Facts Evidencing Gulf Oil Disaster Was Planned‏ « Web of Evidence: What They Don't Want You To Know

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      • Looks like this spill will go on for at least another month up to 3 or 4 years.

        Mostly we have no clue how bad this spill is as BP has made sure to use millions of gallons of dispersant to ensure the oil sinks under the surface as such making it appear that the spill is not at bad as it is. Makes us angry!
        Make the Shift... Alt Energy Shift

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        • Originally posted by rickoff View Post
          Thanks, Steve. I understand, and you are right - this situation calls for some intense citizen action to bring as much heat as possible against the perps in the form of media and public education, and the effort definitely will require more than just a war of words. As you say, brinksmanship will be essential. People who participate will have to be willing to place their boats, their livelihood, and freedom at stake. And what better folks to do that than the fishermen who have already lost their livelihoods and their freedom to trawl the waters. I think that if this movement gets off to a good start, and begins to gather momentum, we are likely to see the perps suddenly plug the leak and douse the flames in advance of the planned event taking place, using this tactic to either cause cancellation of the event, or make the event appear somewhat of a non-event. But even if that occurs, we would still know that the planning and publicizing of the event is what stopped the perps. I like it, Steve. Keep the ideas coming.

          Rick
          The more of these good ideas i see the more the corporation charter make sense to me... A charter is a grant of authority or rights, stating that the granter formally recognizes the prerogative of the recipient to exercise the rights specified. Originally the corporation charter enforced accountability and had strict guidelines which policed the corporation's practice.If the corporation failed to act under it, it could no longer renew its charter and practice as a legal corporation.

          Today there is no such charter in the same capacity, a corporation is a separate legal entity to the original charter and has its own privileges and liabilities distinct from any of the victims or damages it creates. A detailed analogy of this practice is shown in the documentary
          The Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          This documentary shows the development of the contemporary business corporation, from a legal entity that originated as a government-chartered institution meant to effect specific public functions, to the rise of the modern commercial institution with the current corporate business practices.

          These involve corporate legal misbehavior (malfeasance) callous disregard for the feelings of other people, the incapacity to maintain human relationships, reckless disregard for the safety of others, deceitfulness (continual lying to deceive for profit), irreparable environmental damage and loss of life. This is all being done specifically in order to profit. The corporation can still practice after this. Originally the corporation charter would of prevented this behavior and regulated it.

          Today the lack of the original charter enables Judges with financial ties to influence and approve corporate practices in return for financial rewards, regardless of the impact. This can be seen in the case with BP where a judge had financial ties to approving the drilling.

          Other examples can be seen where in the swine flu case with the WHO having financial ties. To even ministers which resulted in Ministers 'wasting millions on the stockpile of the swine flu drugs for an epidemic that never arrived'.(Ministers ‘wasted millions on stockpile of swine flu drugs for epidemic that never arrived’)

          The same system enables the FDA to be influence by financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry, which was shown in the generation RX documentary. "The FDA very financially involved with Big Pharma. Despite the deaths per year there is no corporation charter to prevent any ties with drug companies to enable secure investigations and practices or to even prevent the regulatory body from un bias influences.

          FDA panel on stent safety includes six doctors with strong financial ties to stent manufacturers; FDA waives ethics rules
          FDA panel on stent safety includes six doctors with strong financial ties to stent manufacturers; FDA waives ethics rules

          You would be surprised how many cases show this
          Vioxx Reapproved by FDA Panel Members With Ties to Drug Companies
          Vioxx Reapproved by FDA Panel Members With Ties to Drug Companies

          Having no corporation charter in place to prevent governments, judges or any regulatory personal with financial ties to have influence and capacity to profit is why there is irreparable environmental damage in the oil and gas drilling industry.

          If the 2005 energy bill that was pushed through Congress by members including Dick Cheney is exclusively for environmental,safety reasons and not profit then why has natural gas hydraulic fracturing never been regulated under the Safe Drinking Water Act SDWA) not in the 60-year history of the technology, the 36-year history of the law, or
          the 40-year history of EPA.

          Why are they opposed the Fracturing Responsibility and Awareness of Chemicals Act (H.R. 2766). The 2010 documentary Gaslands YouTube - GASLAND Trailer 2010 is a sobering reminder of irreparable damage that can and will continue like the BP oil spill.

          Despite the controversy with the documentary, the elements that are FACTS show that the Gas wells put out more pollution then car emissions. Also the gas drilling company has had to compensate people for natural gas infiltrating their drinking water.

          The dangers of this toxic ground water polluting method called "gas fracturing" are still able to be practiced today. People can be just "compensated". The damage is not reparable. If there is an environmental way, the charter does not enforce it, in the case of the BP spill , they can still profit from what ever clean up method (cheaper etc) and do not have to use the environmental sound alternative if available.

          The lack of a corporation charter even allows governments to hand over tax payers monies to corporations and worse.

          DRIVERS are about to be whacked by mobile speed cameras the NSW Government believes will help deliver more than $100 million in fines this financial year alone.Macquarie Bank, dubbed "the millionaires' factory" because of the huge salaries paid to executives, is attempting to secure a cut of the bonanza by launching a $275 million takeover bid for Redflex, the company contracted by the State Government to operate the cameras.

          New speed cameras deliver a fast buck | News.com.au

          BTW thanks Jib/Aaron and Rick, making sure this stuff is preserved
          Last edited by ashtweth; 07-11-2010, 09:48 AM.

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          • There is a petition/calling/writing/email campaign that is taking your advice m8

            It is designed to bombard U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's son "Beau" (the Attorney General of Delaware, where BP's charter is registered for tax purposes); to demand that BP's corporate charter be revoked.

            Green Change

            Turning the tables on "Corporate Personhood" that these sociopaths always use to escape Justice... by giving the corporation the DEATH PENALTY

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            • I'm so sorry to talk about this but i found this clip from OneNewsnow...

              Oil unleashed temporarily in attempt to contain it (OneNewsNow.com)

              The failure of the blowout preventer, a massive piece of equipment designed to stop the unchecked flow of oil, is partly to blame for the size of the spill.
              SERIOUSLY? only PARTLY>? Not... COMPLETELY?!?!? So much buck to pass around...

              Did you see the flames?

              But for the popular tourist destination, any halt to the leak comes too late to save the season, Kennon said.
              Louisiana State University environmental sciences professor Ed Overton said he's less concerned with the strategy than with the unknown.
              Let me boil that last quote down.

              Professor fears the unknown.
              Last edited by CosmicFarmer; 07-11-2010, 06:06 PM.

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              • Originally posted by jibbguy View Post
                There is a petition/calling/writing/email campaign that is taking your advice m8

                It is designed to bombard U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's son "Beau" (the Attorney General of Delaware, where BP's charter is registered for tax purposes); to demand that BP's corporate charter be revoked.

                Green Change

                Turning the tables on "Corporate Personhood" that these sociopaths always use to escape Justice... by giving the corporation the DEATH PENALTY
                Steve i hope you realize the value of your efforts in the free energy movement .the first confirmed demos of (wont say here) that's working you will be getting it for your boat and as a platform with the a clear capacity to show case your writings and work.

                thanks a lot mate for sending that, i can help these guys, every thing we do has your credits in where applicable, all posts on the forums have capacity with out the volunteers we have at Panacea, you guys are doing well please keep it up k.

                when i say we need votes for a charter, we do, you cant kill corporation subjugation with out a charter, if we vote we can get them.

                lets make the system work for us. Please vote
                Oil Subjugation

                Ash

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                • OK, exactly were do we vote there m8? I like that section a lot, you guys have been busy!
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                  Eh... I wrote an article to be published at that "OpEd News". It had the concepts of the "Stop the Burning Flotilla" and "Writ of Citizens Arrest" in it. I was going to use the art. as the base link to refer back to at the other places i posted around the web to push the idea.

                  But they make that article simply disappear; not even listed in the submissions log. So they didn't "reject" it , they pretended they never got it (since i've published there many times, i know the routine well, they usually send an automated email stating it is being considered, immediately after receipt). Remember OpEd News is supposed to be a Progressive Independent alternative news outlet, and they do publish all kinds of "radical" stuff and strong dissent against the government, 9/11 truth stuff, ect. (... although A LOT LESS "radical" stuff than they did a year ago i've noticed, and mainly now a bunch of whining crap that is about two-party polarity nonsense).

                  They did the very same thing to me back when i tried to publish the "2009 The Year Perpetual Motion Ended" article, too. Anyone who is familiar with my work knows that article was the most "supported" one i'd done... with nothing but mainstream proofs to back it (which was the whole point of it). It did have a section with some "unsupported" stuff (the Michelson Morley experiment done in the "vertical" video) but that was clearly separated from the main points that were fully supported.

                  I always know when i am on the right track... when i've hit the hottest buttons... when these people pull that crap. So thanks CIA, NSA or who ever you a-holes are; who even censor alternative political blog sites now! More ammo, and i will use it wisely

                  It all goes to prove how oil has a gripping and dangerous control over our entire society. And that the only way out of this mess is to

                  END OIL.

                  THAT IS THE ULTIMATE CAMPAIGN. And these a-holes will LOSE it from their own greed, hubris, and stupidity.

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                  • Live Oil Spill Cams - live Video Grid of Oil Spill - WKRG.com
                    here are 12 live feed cams

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                    • Toxicologists: Corexit “Ruptures Red Blood Cells, Causes Internal Bleeding”

                      Hi Folks,

                      Here is an article from the "Prison Planet" site about the toxicity of the oil/corexit combination.

                      Toxicologists: Corexit “Ruptures Red Blood Cells, Causes Internal Bleeding”, “Allows Crude Oil To Penetrate “Into The Cells” and “Every Organ System”

                      Watch the videos in the article.

                      Peter
                      Peter Lindemann, D.Sc.

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                      • in the interest of journalistic integrity lol

                        OK i was premature about OpEd News (its been a tense week and ive been working about 18 hours a day), or perhaps some one snuck it by . Still never received the usual email responses, so something was very weird about this submission (i believe there are "factions" at play here, and the owner/ chief editor Rob Kall is the "good guy"). But it did make "headline" status, and a great photo was even added. So the article was not suppressed.

                        We've got friends, as well as enemies folks. its always important to remember that

                        OpEdNews - Article: The Grass Roots Movement to STOP THE BURNING In The Gulf

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                        • False spill, Asphalt volcano??

                          For what it's worth:
                          Link to an article, worth a quick read.

                          SHTF411.com • BP, Illusion of a False Spill

                          Sorry if it's already been posted.

                          "Doesn't matter how many times you kick the coyote in the head, it's still gonna eat chickens". - EPD

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                          • Allright, they capped it. So, now pressure builds up and it finds another way out, or did they save the day?

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                            • Don't believe the hype in the MSM What they have done, is fitted a proper containment vessel, that will allow the oil and methane to be collected better. But despite all the DRAMA in the news, they CLEARLY KNEW that there were side fissures that are leaking the oil and gas... As stated over three weeks ago by Senator Bill Nelson.

                              So it is pretty odd, that they knew this all along, but made some kind of TV mini-series over it. To me, it was just a excuse to blab over and over that "BP solved it". That is not true at all. It is not even: "The end of the beginning" yet, as old Winston Churchill once said.

                              BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE: These fissures come from failures in the pipe walls, somewhere beneath the surface of the sea bed. The well pipe travels TWO MILES DOWN from the sea bed, through mostly solid rock. The cracks in the pipe wall, somewhere relatively close to the sea bed, allow the gas and oil to escape (the pressure is up to 70k PSI), and it then comes through the sediment and out into the ocean. So the pipe itself, where it meets the pocket 2 miles below the sea bed, it the ONLY SOURCE for the oil and gas.
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                              Here is another article, showing CLEAR EVIDENCE OF FRAUD by BP in the cleanup... Using constant shams to make it "look good", and blatantly lying in their employee contracts to extort people into silence. If you haven't read about or seen "Kindra Arnesen" before, please check her out folks: She is the real deal, and a hero in my book

                              OpEdNews - Article: More Clear Evidence of Crimes by BP

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                              • Originally posted by tecknomancer View Post

                                This may seem stupid but there is a flange right below the cut removing the bolts and grind the welded seam would allow a open valve to be bolted to the flange if it could be guided over it. why not
                                Looks like you might be too smart to work for BP

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