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  • Proposal For Public-financed Independent Research Centers

    We know that large businesses and corrupt governments actively suppress technologies and research activities which could liberate humanity from modern financial (and economic), mental (propaganda) and military slavery.

    Before Internet era research carried out by lone enthusiasts was very inefficient because of lack of resources (information, equipment, materials, research force (usually only one person) and time). Everyone was isolated and nearly completely blocked with suppression from official science and own small resources. Even such geniuses like Tesla had their greatest inventions stolen and suppressed.

    With help of Internet and forums (like this one) lone researchers were able to unite, gain access to independent information, exchange with "unofficial" ideas (not published in official magazines) and start coordination of their research. This allowed significant increase in the efficiency and has lead to some research results.

    But there are still some drawbacks. Only few people are actively experimenting while majority is passive and only discussing ideas (ideas are useless without experiments). Those few enthusiasts are united on the level of information (exchange with knowledge and ideas) but separated in terms of resources - each of them has limited equipment, materials, usually work alone and can devote only small part of their time to the research and experiments.

    Therefore there is a proposition for the NEXT STEP. We need to unite our resources (money, equipment, workforce and time) and increase intensity of research activities by several orders of magnitude.

    How to achieve this? We will write (or integrate existing forums, chats, etc.) simple web-based open source IT system which will

    1) allow public discussion of research direction (multilanguage - chat or forum with auto translation between languages)

    2) allow collection of donations and transparent view of spending

    3) allow voting for temporary research coordinator election and withdraw (because any activity needs a person-coordinator)

    4) allow voting for decisions on experiments direction and spending

    5) voting should be based on donation size (and possibly on expertise of participant)

    6) all experimental work and results should be videotaped (and possibly broadcasted live) and made available publicly for discussion among all participants

    7) by means of money and equipment donation we will be able to establish well equipped research facility (just need any small room with equipment, web camera and good internet connection)

    8 ) by means of accumulated donations into noticeable budget we will be able to pay to person (or team) carrying out research experiments. And this person (or team) can devote ALL their time to experiments. Researchers will do experiments what community decided and will communicate with coordinator in real-time visibly for everyone.

    9) research facility and researcher (or team) can be established in low-wage country. People there will get job and income. And Humanity will get results with small budget. Researchers can be just average specialists in required field - they just need to implement required experiments under guidance of coordinator.

    10) donators will see details of their money spending, will see process of work, will see results, will be able to participate in research decisions. Therefore donation flow will be greatly stimulated.

    11) many passive people will be able to participate and help with their donations and equipment

    12) open source software, public availability of results, ability to establish such research centers in any country will make research suppression impossible

    13) there is no limit on number of such research centers, there is no limit on resources in each center. If research is interesting and important and many donations are made - they can hire any number of researchers and equip them with best materials and instruments. Research can be carried out 24 hours per day 7 days a week with at least 3 researchers (for them to have time for sleep) controlled by 3 coordinators from different countries and community around the Globe (only people present online vote and make decisions). This will allow 3 times more efficient use of time, equipment and facility.

    14) It is rather easy to create new centers - gather participants, accumulate initial budget, rent facility, get equipment (buy, receive from donators, rent), hire researchers and start research.

  • #2
    Finallly someone comes with a great idea. EStablish and operate such such task requires on my view a well coordinated organization and honest and diciplined people.I think it might work. One problem I see in some countries if this could be operated would be incursion and raids from feds to destroy everything gained..but since severals other similar projects working in different countries new information and recent invents could be easily sent to others centers and available to public and stop sad experience with talented guys that were died or dissapeard from the sistem .
    I live in Mexico, ( English is not my original languaje so I apologize for that) to be honest I don´t have much knowledge in electronics but a entushiast for free energy and I follow every day forums hoping some day someone invent a device to get some free energy. I´d be willing to donate to participate and this project and help in any way I can.There are some inteligent guys around but unfortunately this crap and corrupt government is poseid to keep us in poverty, misery and ignorance..not giving students economic support and real and necesary support so they can develop their ideas and projects..
    I think the time is coming soon when people from different parts of the world finally will break the chains of misery and oppresion from greedy goverments.
    I hope this project become a reality ..I´ll keep looking forward for any development and news.
    H.D

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    • #3
      I Am

      great idea!!

      will be ancious for more news of the project development!!

      hugs from portugal

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      • #4
        Many of us have been working for these ideas for years. But there are some serious problems to consider.

        We are under constant, low-level attack in all these forums by paid shills and "worse" (professionally done dis-info schemes, many of them very cleverly done). Many of these schemes, have to do with asking for money, to "do research". Many of the folks around here understand this perfectly well.

        Most of these are also "spider webs" that ask FE inventors to send them their work, so they can "help" them (...lol, help them get "secretized" faster ).

        Of all the "institutes" and groups that claim to be "helping" (including "Orion" imo), the only one that is "legitimate" that i am aware of is Panacea BOCAF (although Vlad of ZPEnergy has a nice plan that has not yet been realized).

        How do i know this? Simply because the "legitimate" ones consistently provide output that challenges and damages the positions of the status quo. This is the "decider", imo. Those that are obvious fakes, such as "WITTS" was, only spew nonsense and never actually do anything "real". I really am sorry if some of you out there were honestly-believing WITTS/ Thrapp supporters... but it is a hard road, and it is high time we all got these things straight... We cannot afford dis-info any more. And we have all been fooled by these games at one time or another: Simply because good and ethical people take others at their word (until proved otherwise), before judging them... So it is not a "sin" to be lied to. This is an important point for us all to understand: We need not fear or be ashamed of this being fooled by the professional dis-info schemers in the past... the only perpetrators, the only ones to blame at all, are the liars and shills that deceive... Because that feeling of betrayal is also a means of stopping folks from researching these technologies. We don't let them win, by stoically going on as if the games were never played to begin with... But by keeping them in mind in the future. These games CANNOT succeed when viewed by a filter of healthy suspicion.

        And as we approach success, in getting Free Energy Disclosure, we are seeing a dramatic increase in these dis-info "games (not only in this genre, but in many others such as "Exopolitics/UFO's" and "911 Truth"). We even begin to see some of the more well-known and visible "luminaries" burning their bridges to combat our successes, and so letting us all see their real agendas... This is "desperation" where their handlers are trying anything, including risking their long-secret "assets", to discredit and destroy the Open Source Free Energy movement before "it is too late". This is because, Open Source is the most powerful "threat" they have to continued suppression and maintaining the ignorance of the public to the Truth about energy.

        So my point is, that we cannot trust "just anyone" to have such a research center. We need to back only those we know we can trust.

        I am not an "Anarchist" politically... But in this genre, "anarchy" has great advantages It is very easy to co-opt and control a movement like this from the top. This is why, no self-proclaimed leaders will be welcome around here (such as "Dr. Stephen Greer"), and will get nowhere at all here.... We don't need their "leadership" for any reason; and they pose a serious security risk. Last year Greer publicly stated that he would be "our leader". Lol , good luck with that doctor, it is like "Herding Cats" anyway

        Some may consider the above comments "paranoid". But friends, it is an old Truth that "even paranoids have enemies" , and fear of being "labeled" won't stop me and others' from making these points... and i promise you all, that we indeed do have enemies in spades around here. Normally, in the case of the forum shills, they are just shadows that can be ignored; or are a minor hindrance. But the professional dis-info games cannot be allowed to prosper... To come into positions where they can publicly discredit all the REAL and valuable work going on with their fake straw-men... Because folks, that IS their main goal... Not to debunk the viable work we are doing (because they CANNOT DEBUNK IT), but to create FAKES that can be easily debunked, and that turn off thinking people to the entire subject.

        When Trillions in easy monopoly profits every year are on the line, and all their favorite money and greed -based "dirty tricks" they use against lone inventors won't work against Open Source... of course these dis-info "games", and much more, will be tried. It is our job to see they do not stop us from succeeding in our goals.

        And they will not.

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        • #5
          jibbguy

          you should not judge "i am" intentions, since you r not GOD and you dont even know im.

          everybody diserves a chance!

          if everybody think like you, then we will never trust nobody! and all the ideas will die at the moment they born!

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          • #6
            What was that about? Did you somehow feel threatened by my comments? I assure you they were not aimed at "you" (i don't even know who you are)

            What specifically do you object to? "Judgment" in forums is completely inevitable (as throughout "real life"). So i am a bit baffled there.

            Are you a Greer or WITTS supporter? If so, would you like to debate them?

            I don't make these comments lightly, and am prepared to back them. This particular thread of research has consumed much of my time over the last few months (as those familiar with our "Free Energy Facebook Group" will have probably noted); and i expect to take slings and arrows for it... some of the criticism, i am sure, coming from people who "honestly" hold their views but whom simply disagree.

            But neither will i shirk from "controversial" subjects that may prove "unpopular"; when greater awareness for them is the best means of solving them.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jibbguy View Post
              So my point is, that we cannot trust "just anyone" to have such a research center. We need to back only those we know we can trust.
              my point is, how do you know that "i am" is not someone we can trust if we dont give him a chance to show it?

              im not Greer or WITTS supporter, dont even know who they are!

              i just think that everybody diserves a chance and with that kind of comments you will just discourage someone who maybe has something very good to give everyone!

              just because there is a lot of scam that dont means we should not more support anyone else! just give them a chance to show there intentions!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jibbguy View Post
                <snip
                Some may consider the above comments "paranoid". But friends, it is an old Truth that "even paranoids have enemies"
                True, You are not paranoid if they really are out to get you

                It's interesting to see the latest which Steven Greer just posted yesterday about a former C I A director coming down on the scientist he was going to work with. Very good read if you can believe Greer it will be something to make you angry:
                Link to update on their Free energy pursuit
                There is no important work, there are only a series of moments to demonstrate your mastery and impeccability. Quote from Almine

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                • #9
                  It is important to note, that this is a total "Change of Story", in that before, in December, Greer publicly stated that the reason Orion could not show any results (as they had promised earlier), was because "his" scientist had been kidnapped and held in an NWO underground bunker.

                  I must admit this later story sounds a lot more plausible

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                  • #10
                    We said over 5 years ago before GREER, Decker and Bil Alek that we need our own research center,
                    Research and Development

                    But you must know how to coordinate this research center and make it work publicly to CAPACITY, that's why we need those i mentioned above to benefit from panacea's research. Panacea lays ground work for this, the new Steorn production should get us the MAINSTREAM PUBLIC SUPPORT for this, its aimed to show the merit. ill be twice as busy the next 6 months guys. But am here to serve you guys non profit.

                    Ash

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                    • #11
                      Hi Ash,
                      How much it would cost to pay someone to work for Panacea, may be part time first ?
                      May be we can do that with a few of us and a monthly pledge, we could share a salary man to work on priority projects ?!

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                      • #12
                        Just a thought

                        @ Ash & others

                        Perhaps some sort of alternative currency/economic scheme would be beneficial for endeavors such as yours.

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                        PJ
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                        • #13
                          Hey PJ they are very valuable links and info there which we can use, we got a phone call from some one in south /Australia with 1000 acres he wants to build an educational model with eco housing Free energy and an ALTERNATIVE system for EDUCATION, its a big project i am working on, it never stops, i need a good beer with Jules! So be careful what you post you may just see it in real life

                          @Jules, Hello my friend! ATM, a net work is building up of VOLUNTEERS sharing resources and time, which so far seems to be working well for us, especially with the odd donation, BTW Jules as a regular helper of donataions, we would not have got HALF of what we have ready and done with out our very own altruist here.. This is probably a good thing to work for down the track tho, so far with the up and coming GEET school hosted NON PROFIT by panacea (video soon) we hope to find as many Jules out there as possible and help do community volunteer work, so much of us together have the resources, but your idea is sound and must eventually be considered, thank you for this input Jules. BYW guys really good themes and ideas in this thread, i am disseminating them through the site and can help get others to look at them.

                          Ash
                          Last edited by ashtweth; 05-16-2010, 12:51 AM.

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                          • #14
                            @ Ash,
                            thanks for the compliment my friend, but all the work is done by your hard work and Andrew's one

                            Did you settle a new Paypal account to receive donations ?
                            If not how to proceed ?
                            Western Union is more expensive than Paypal.
                            Paypal takes around 1% per transaction, wile WU takes 4%.

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                            • #15
                              Hello David!!, thanks for checking up on this, yes got your mails and this should be sorted in a few days thanks for much for the EXTRA help .

                              Will have a new mail for 2nght my friend with a new pulse injector circuit for the GEET for all

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