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**teslaproject** · 05-16-2010, 11:08 AM

The 'Matrix' has them

Originally posted by Inquorate View Post

My video
presentation on accessing the kinetic properties of the aether, part 4 in a series of 4

Tv and school curriculums are destroying not just our children's futures, but also our children's minds.

Inquorate, ur a champion but I'm afraid it is wasted breath on these people....'The Matrix' has them LOL

I know a few people that were once dear to me and watched them transition from sane free thinkers to brainwashed institutionalised robots after going through University. The laugh of it is this....University is SUPPOSEDLY a place where you break from the shackles of Government oppression and become a free thinker (that's how Hollywood always portrayed it anyway).

I think the term 'institution' and 'institutionalised' fits well.

Flame on!

Regards

TP

**Matthew Jones** · 05-16-2010, 01:52 PM

If you were to look at whats happening the way he describes it, it would not look wrong. So he is not wrong according to his understanding of what is happening.
If your just pulsing and inductor (IE a Buck Boost) and you measure everything the way he says you are just measuring the positive output of the coil and the overall acceptance of that charge by the battery.

But there are other ways to show this process you describe.

You can buck across a single wire of a Bifiliar.With no collection on the charged side. The secondary wire's output can be measure at the source (IE the coil) then rectified and measured. The output grows. In fact the potential will grow through a diode/rectifier. But one time is not enough because he'll have an answer for that as well. Condensing....

Keep taking the output and running it through more rectifiers. Sooner or later it will balance out and not grow anymore but needless to say it continues to grow.
The great part I have found is they cannot explain this. They have some ideas but no solid answer. A diode diminishes potential it does not step it up, at least in the case of a positive energy.

Cheers
Matt

**jibbguy** · 05-16-2010, 06:26 PM

Very nice work Inquorate, thank you for doing the Series.

That commenter there is much less rude and blatant than is usually seen there lol.

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As an aside, but still regarding "Y-T":

We see "You Tube" having the most vicious and blatant attack paid shills of any medium we commonly use. Often, these attack comments appear within minutes of the links going up... Lol not very likely in a "legitimate" situation of "comments by honest skeptics". To these entities, it is very important that the Viewers also see the attack comments right away.

Another fact about You-Tube is, you cannot trust the "counter" supposedly stating number of "Views". I have actually seen it GO DOWN before; specifically as in the case of Panacea BOCAF's 10-hour Compendium on FE. They feel it is important these topics not get too many "views" so others can go on thinking they are "fringe". I personally linked to it at our Facebook Group "Wall" when Ash released it, and there were hundreds who followed the link in the first day (and others on several sites linked it)... and the number of Views actually shrank

I have also noticed that some important FE-related video files posted on You-Tube are often temporarily corrupted so they will not run... Lol meanwhile the music videos and silly and meaningless joke ones there always appear to run fine on the same 'puter

I think this could have something to do with them "pending approval" by the powers that be (or perhaps the awaiting of a shill to be available to attack it). Instead of blatantly censuring it, it is simply made to not run correctly (often "dieing" half way through). If this happens to one of you out there, as it has often happened to me, here is a check list:

> Try it again with a different Browser.

> Try a non-FE, or other "non-controversial" topic related video there, like "music".

I have seen it over and over, where only this particular "controversial" vid won't run properly. A day or two later, it often will. I am curious if others' here have seen this happen, too.

Some of the attack comments are so vile and totally based on ad hominem personal attack, that they can only be described as blatant disruption techniques. In the light of this, i would not worry too much about the Ethics of "Freedom of Speech" regarding "comments" there at You-Tube:

If they are the commonly seen rude and simple attacks without scientific merit (as the worst rarely make any serious points anyway); they can be ethically deleted without worry (but save then in a text file first)...

... Because it is important for us to remember that "Free Speech" was not intended to be used as a weapon AGAINST the free dissemination of information and ideas.

If they do have some merit mixed in, or then post again to disruptively whine in an attempt to cry "censuring"... I recommend posting the "cut and pasted" ad hominem under that to point them out to folks, then if they were blatant and without merit, simply delete all future ones from that "person" (...paid shills, usually).

It is important for us all, who publicly post in such places, to remember: Attack techniques based on ad hominem lose nearly all their "power" when specifically pointed out to the readers. Thinking people abhor them and understand their real intent... Especially when it is expressly pointed out to them; which i highly recommend doing whenever it is seen, as it really is the best answer to them...

And please remember: Replying in kind IS NOT effective at all (as emotionally and ego satisfying as it may seem), and only works to reinforces the earlier attack!!

... and who cares what paid shills and others who use personal attacks to deflect attention from and refute well-reasoned arguments or facts think anyway?

The ad hominem attacks are also intended as a "Chiller", in an attempt to subtly intimidate good people from posting positive comments. This is easily defeated by simply ignoring the "chill" factor. Lol, these shadows are nothing at all to worry about folks, i promise you

This way we take away their favorite "weapon" and make them look like either total incompetents, or the paid shills they often are. Because ad hominem attacks really are:

"The first and last resort of the incompetent".

In short, these tactics only work if we let them !!

The sooner we all understand this, the sooner these lame and disgusting tactics will no longer be widely tried (as, when they are specifically pointed out, it seriously undermines the poster's credibility)... and You-Tube is one of the last places that it commonly is seen.

**Bob Smith** · 05-17-2010, 12:18 AM

A Propos Label

Inquo,
Your label "unimaginative textbook sycophants" is very a propos. I can't even talk about radiant energy in the electronics store without getting looked at as though I've got 3 heads. So,

Forge on, good sir
And let not stir
Your peace of mind
From baseless burr.

For truth doth beckon
For those that reckon
That texbooks falter
And need re-checkin'!

And if howl they will
For ill-gotten swill
Those sycophant spophists
Shall by tuth be still.

So smile now, Sir Inquo
For good time shall soon show
Their baseless harrassment
Is but chaff for the wind's blow.

**Inquorate** · 05-17-2010, 03:39 AM

Thankyou kind sir
for what you propose;
That such an ill slur
be recovered in prose..

To the forge we will,
and mind not the swill..
For the future
be the fruits of OUR labor.

**sucahyo** · 05-17-2010, 09:32 AM

You should ask him to explain how the battery voltage increase after each swapping...

**Inquorate** · 05-17-2010, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by sucahyo View Post

You should ask him to explain how the battery voltage increase after each swapping...

I don't know it's worth the time sucahyo.. He seems to be clutching at straws to 'prove me wrong', if indeed the words of a snake oil salesman can be deemed 'proof'.

What do people think? Has this guy got any sense?

''User2718218 (17 hours ago)
@Inquorate @Inquorate I would assume that you made tests to confirm the battery charging from the inductive collapse by measuring charging battery before/after voltage increases. Measuring battery voltage alone is meaningless. You have to measure the before/after energy in the batteries with a regimen of load testing. It is long and tedious and a lot of hard word so people ignore this basic fact.

I also have a big revelation for you about the voltage spikes from the coil.

User2718218 (17 hours ago)
Capacitors and coils are like Yin-Yang. You know that a capacitor is like a voltage source and it can generate a spike of current when you short it out. A coil is like a current source and it can generate a spike of voltage when your open-circuit it. Can you see the full Yin-Yang going on there?

A Bedini setup or your circuit does not really generate voltage spikes. Rather, the coil acts like a current source when your transistor switches off and pushes current, not voltage, into the batt.

User2718218 (17 hours ago)
What that means is for a capacitor, the current "falls out" or is the resultant when you put a resistive load on the capacitor. For a coil, the voltage "falls out" or is the resultant when you put a resistive load (or a charging battery) on the coil. This is a fundamental property of coils that you should contemplate for a long time until you fully understand it.

This means a coil has the innate ability to FORCE energy into the charging battery, whereas a capacitor can't do that.

User2718218 (16 hours ago)
So all the talk of "voltage spikes charging the battery" for a Bedini motor or whatever are actually incorrect. It's current that is being forced into the battery and the voltage spikes fall out from that. If it's a fresh batt the voltage spikes are very low because the batt's internal resistance is low. If it is an old worn out battery then the voltage spikes are higher because the battery's internal resistance is high. Swap out your charging batt for different resistances to confirm this.

User2718218 (16 hours ago)
So the real truth is that in fact you are NOT charging your battery with solely with "voltage spikes from (the) inductive collapse." You are implying that just voltage alone with insignificant current can charge a battery. Now you know better, you know that the discharging coil is forcing current into the battery. To put it a better way, you know that the coil is forcing a measurable amount of energy into the battery.

So who's got the imagination now? I hope this information will help you.''

I think he's departing from the textbook now and venturing into la la land.

**smw1998a** · 05-17-2010, 01:17 PM

In the valley of the blind

Hello all,
@Inquorate. I commend you on your efforts and the conviction of your beliefs but you should listen to and respect the views of others, just because they do not comply with your own. You labeled user2718218 an 'unimaginative textbook sycophant'. user2718218 would be equally able to label you as being a "Bearden/Bedini sycophant" Blinded from the truth by colourful theory and inconclusive proofs. No one will be able to discover the truth of such things when attitudes become so entrenched and bigotry is abound on both sides.

In electrical terms user2718218's analysis of your circuit is absolutely correct and no amount of arguing or name calling will alter that fact. What is uncertain is the long term effect of such a pulsed current regime will have on the batteries. And current there is, just as there is in any closed loop circuit , no matter how fast you switch it. If, indeed, the circuit seems to be OU then a reason for such a result must be explored. user2718218 analysis holds true and always will, electronically, so until OU has been proved, conclusively, which it hasn't, your views are hypothetical and no more than a possibility.

Regards Lee...

**Jbignes5** · 05-17-2010, 01:19 PM

Stay the course.

In all our history there have been the learned telling others that they have no idea of whats the truth. Like they know what the secret to everything is. It is of course their truth and not the whole truth. What they don't understand they shun and try to bury as blasphemy.

Never let someone dissuade you from finding your own truth with your own eyes. If they have issues with your own self discovered truth then tell them to prove you wrong. Not with their own blinded truth or canned text book replies but with all the real information that you have provided by empirically tests. You have nothing to hide and it shows. They on the other hand have everything to hide that invalidates their whole view on the subject.

Forge on and stay your course. Rely on your experiments to speak for themselves.

**Jbignes5** · 05-17-2010, 01:42 PM

I wanted to talk to you...

Can we discuss your theories that you have developed on this subject?

If so then I wanted to ask you something. You mention a magnetic field in your description. What if there was no field but coils influenced strings of force that are present everywhere. These lines of force are present from our own planets magnetic "field". What if the coil draws into it's magnetic core these free lines of force and compress them into much stronger strings. When we remove the potential that is provided these compressed strings release and cut across the coil with a set results except for chaotic bunching or irregular collections per time period. This cutting of the coil is the bemf we see.
If you go back to Tesla he talks about making air stiff. What if Tesla knew these weak but organized lines of force are everywhere and in everything. What if we had everything backwards. The potential draws in these stings and then current or real charge gets pulled in twords the potential and joins together like stream flowing into rivers into masses of real charges. Since the energy can not escape it transforms into light and heat and causes the arc we see.
Look at a still picture of corona activity and you can actually see what I am describing. It's like the HV source attracts the stings physical part or motivator and drags and strips the energy or charges twords the HV source.

I think Tesla had a Ah ha moment and finally understood that he could make the strings rigid and conduct all the local charge field twords the HV source. Figure out how to intercept the charge or current that is flowing in this kind of system and you have the ultimate source of energy.
I'll chat more on this is you would like to expand your understanding of this most interesting man, Tesla.
So let me know if you are interested in the conversation that I am offering.

**Matthew Jones** · 05-17-2010, 01:50 PM

Forge on and stay your course. Rely on your experiments to speak for themselves.

I'll second that.

The best thing to remember is you are not doing this to advance science as whole, which is primarily at a stand still today. You are doing this to expand you understanding of what is happening so you can benefit yourself.
If anybody else tags along then your research benefits them as well.

Thats the best way to look at it. It at least separates yourself from the criticism.

Matt

**juju** · 05-17-2010, 03:21 PM

inquorate

User2718218 and others cannot discuss radiant energy till they experiment with it, otherwise they are just exposing ideas from the textbook.

User2718218 (16 hours ago)
So all the talk of "voltage spikes charging the battery" for a Bedini motor or whatever are actually incorrect. It's current that is being forced into the battery and the voltage spikes fall out from that.

User2718218 (16 hours ago)
So the real truth is that in fact you are NOT charging your battery with solely with "voltage spikes from (the) inductive collapse." You are implying that just voltage alone with insignificant current can charge a battery. Now you know better, you know that the discharging coil is forcing current into the battery.

if it was some current going to the charge battery you should be able to measure it, and that its not the case.

hugs

**smw1998a** · 05-17-2010, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by juju View Post

if it was some current going to the charge battery you should be able to measure it, and that its not the case.

hugs

Hi juju,
I'm sorry, but this statement is totally incorrect. One of the first things you learn in the BM3 group is how to measure the current from the SSG to the charge battery, granted the argument of the exercise is deeply flawed but it proves that there is current and it is measurable, even from the SSG so your statement is is error. Again, everything that User2718218 has said can easily be proved experimentally, even from the SSG / TriSG point of view.

Regards Lee...

**Jbignes5** · 05-17-2010, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by smw1998a View Post

Hi juju,
I'm sorry, but this statement is totally incorrect. One of the first things you learn in the BM3 group is how to measure the current from the SSG to the charge battery, granted the argument of the exercise is deeply flawed but it proves that there is current and it is measurable, even from the SSG so your statement is is error. Again, everything that User2718218 has said can easily be proved experimentally, even from the SSG / TriSG point of view.

Regards Lee...

I'm sorry but his explanation can not explain it all... If it did then how does he explain the battery charging hours after the treatment has stopped. Since voltage leads Current in all our understanding it seems to me that if one created an imbalance of the potential of the battery via a pure one way pulse you can effectively cause an imbalance between the two terminals when compared to each other. However I know of no device that will determine the voltage potential of just one terminal. Most Bedini chargers
wack a battery with a barrage of one way pulses causing an imbalance of the potential between the two terminals. This imbalance slowly tries to re normalize thru the natural process. This causes the battery to pull voltages counterpart, current, directly from the environment.
I really don't believe voltage is current. One leads the other and weather you have a component that could convert it slowly, like a battery, is weather it shows OU.
Stick to the archaic knowledge and keep believing the world is flat. We will provide the inevitable proof of our theories thru our experiments. They lied to you when they taught you from those books. They told you it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Well there is enough doubt now that others are trying to devise a better understanding of this mysterious method. Just because it says the world is flat in the accepted books and teachings that does not invalidate the truth behind that. The world is indeed round.

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