Energy and Polarity

[witsend]

Why are our ALTERNATIVE energy devellopment so far behind?

My own thinking is that it's because there's no clear understanding of the aether energies that we all know are there. This lack of understanding means that our experiments are haphazard - one can almost say - accidental. The actual moment of gains are not clearly identified and then also not identified are the reasons for it. So apparatus becomes ever more complex and circuit designs ever more obscure. We're chasing shadows. That's why this thread of yours is so important Aromaz. It is my opinion that it is critically important for us all to actually understand what is happening on a very fundamental level. Then we'd at least be able to 'use' the energy more efficiently. It is my humble opinion that Dave's thread on gravity is critical to this understanding. But - by the same token - we also need to get our minds around the full implications of aether energy.

[Aromaz]

Reply #5

@witsend; I thank thee and I applaud you.

#96: The 'growth' of stars and star systems have been recorded from nebulae.
Correct, so much more to support the re-cycling; and the whole concept of matter being
created from energy.

. . .This, in turn, would suggest that the origin of matter did not require that first 'big bang'.
In reality my complete theory does not really require the BigBang either. The same effect and
procedures could exist without the BigBang. Review BigBang as the Origin of our time?

#97: If space is expanding - and that at PACE - then it would be impossible for two galaxies to 'merge'. Galaxial collisions have been seen - often. . .

This would be true; ONLY IF the universe is had a perfect round origin and was ‘radiating’ in perfect straight beams 90 degree from such original point. Are all galaxies only moving direct outwards from the center point? Are they mostly expanding BUT at various angles form the center point. Are they all expanding at the same velocity form point of Origin? Here I am reasonably updated, because I believe the Universe (Galaxies, solar systems, et.al) are mirror images of what is happening in the smaller atomic scale.

#98 “Pillars of Creation in the Eagle Nebula” better referred to as M16 within our own galaxy; Here you can see the actual photo of the whole Nebula.
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/200...erspective.jpg


@Sucahyo: ‘My’ photon is a basic portion of root energy. Regardless, photons are NOT light particles.
Even regardless of that: Light energy is not singular; you have the whole ElectroMagnetic Specturm full of light at various ;energy’ levels.

I believe very strongly that Photon <> Light (It is not the same thing)
Thus photons are also not laser beams.

[Aromaz]

My own thinking is that it's because there's no clear understanding of the aether energies that we all know are there. This lack of understanding means that our experiments are haphazard - one can almost say - accidental. The actual moment of gains are not clearly identified and then also not identified are the reasons for it. So apparatus becomes ever more complex and circuit designs ever more obscure. We're chasing shadows. . . That's why this thread of yours is so important Aromaz. It is my opinion that it is critically important for us all to actually understand what is happening on a very fundamental level. Then we'd at least be able to 'use' the energy more efficiently. It is my humble opinion that Dave's thread on gravity is critical to this understanding. But - by the same token - we also need to get our minds around the full implications of aether energy.

There is no way I could word the same arguement better. Thank you!
Where in the land of the Rainbow Nation are you?

[witsend]

Where in the land of the Rainbow Nation are you?

LOL It's some time since I've heard it described as such. I think the colours are getting nicely blurred. I'm at it's most southern tip - the 'beautiful cape' as it's known.

[witsend]

This would be true; ONLY IF the universe is had a perfect round origin and was ‘radiating’ in perfect straight beams 90 degree from such original point. Are all galaxies only moving direct outwards from the center point? Are they mostly expanding BUT at various angles form the center point. Are they all expanding at the same velocity form point of Origin? Here I am reasonably updated, because I believe the Universe (Galaxies, solar systems, et.al) are mirror images of what is happening in the smaller atomic scale.

If there is no basic symmetrical shape to space then indeed space could be seen to expand in 'pockets' or at isolated points. But then - nor is there any uniformity to the concept of expanding space. Therefore the expansion would also not have any innate symmetry or relationship from one part to the next. Like a series of bubbles in an otherwise smooth environment. Then - as I see it - expansion would conflict with those areas that are not expanding and space itself would be asymmetrical. Could be. But frankly I doubt it. Interestingly that's the kind of argument that has been used to suggest the apparent 'deformity' in Dave's rig. It would require a complete rewrite on the physics of space itself. Interesting indeed. And possibly worthwhile. There are many respectable proposals to the 'shape' of space that include wormholes and suchlike. But that would also make space itself a variable. Not sure what that will do to our understanding of 'time' as associated with Einstein's theories on relativity. As I said. It would have to include a complete rewrite of known physics. The questions then - what is space and what is in it that allows it to expand and why should that expansion be at arbitrary locations in space? Followed by - and how does that effect our own space time dimensions? Are we in a bubble? Are galaxies in a bubble? And on and on. Frankly I think it confuses the argument.

[juju]

All the energy is Radiant

While juju believe atom is in two places at once, I think the experiment shows that the photon move in a longitudinal way, not tranversal, so it is not scalar.

i dont said that it is in this particular case, i said that it can
be! a little bit different...

and how would you explain that when the atom is being recorded /
watched, it behaves like a normal particle and not a wave?

im not assuming nothing... nobody here will have the answers for
invisible things, nobody will ever be shore of something that cannot
be seen at this moment, nature hides is majestic essence and even
when we somehow rise, we will be far away from having the answers
of true nature of things!

Is the universe expanding? was there a big bang? what was the force
that kept all those structures together, make them react and why?

we can imagine, we can think or even calculate... but the real answer,
the absolut truth no one will have it, at least in the next "times"!
a lot of things most happen before the nature reveal itself, and thats
the magic of it!

so for now, one just must question, not answer, how would we ever
know that we have the real answer? are just speculations!

you know you have counsciesness, but you cannot measure it, so
how to prove it? not possible at this point!

i believe that some particles can be in anyplace, at anytime! or you
can say, in all place at all time! there's no emptiness, there's all one!

there's only i Am, the one that it is, we all are and we are all!

its tricky!

we are counsciesness, that is infinite in space and time...

since e believe that time is just a perception to, there's no end,
and no beggining, but all now!




hugs sucahyo

[Agent.A]

@witsend

1. hypothesis - space is constant, not expending, for ever lasting - boring.
2. hypothesis - space in expanding, stretches, reshapes, spherical or not - ah, very interesting, mind captivating.

lets go with number ... 2, yes ?

questions ( of energy and space ):

1. considering a mass in an area in space of such expansion ( with some velocity ), what would be the effect on that mass ?
for now, lets assume that mass is just that ( some 'thing' ), not swirling energy, or any energy.

2. before there was mass, in this expanding space ( with some velocity ), how energy ( pure, ether, whatever ) interact with it self ?

3. if there is expansion, is there also somewhere a contraction ?

4. in an expanding space, is there such thing as energy density ? if so, what keeps it from loosing that density ?



gazillion questions there are in my mind, swirling and poping into and out of it, but for now, can you ponder on those above ?

[Joit]

Are we in a bubble? Are galaxies in a bubble? And on and on. Frankly I think it confuses the argument.

Hi.
Where do you live on this Bubble Earth, do you live inside, or outside.
Does this Bubble really have a inside and a outside?
Are it two Bubbles, where one is hard matter (which is inside even fluid again after what we know, and dont look at the Theories from the hollow Earth)
or more bubbles, when you sort it by conditions and compositions.
Or do you need the inner and outer Bubbles to exist between them.
Mainly i think all repeats itself from very tiny to very big, so i can more figure
that anything are kind of Bubbles, Waves behave in a form of a Bubble too,
even when you can say they miss a lot of deep like a sphere has.
And i can even see similarities in the Earth and Magnetism,
On Pole, the inner Side of Earth is made from almost solid Material,
the other one is made from the tiny elastic and not tangible Material,
even, when you kinda can feel it, like the Air.
And like Poles or Potential, where one is a very slow moving Mass and the other Poles is a tiny fast moving Material.
That are all things, what we either did not sort out well at our science,
or did not consider.

For this double split Experiment, i actually think it is very doubtfully and only a waste of a lot Money.
Anyone know, that all Devices act with the Enviroment, anything has EM Radiation,
so why do they think, they did block all Influences, or her Device dont,
even, when you cant really block Magnetism.
Anything interact with the Enviroment all time, so why do they think,
that the Effect what they create is only caused with her Device there.
There is even another Component at the Window, where they shot the Parts trough.
And that measurements do an Effect at the Result you can see that at any Device, and even Measurments creates another Field in any_Way.
So no Reason to blame an Observer, but seems it is a good Thing for them, to make the confusion bigger.

Holding the Charge.
When we do look at Picutures from an Atom, what do you see actually.
Only more Bubbles, so, i cant believe into the Big Bang Therorie also,
that it did create different Parts what are unique.
But when you look at your Hand, you can see, that you only can hold 'Charge' with one Side, the backside is not made for that.
Is that, because we did not train it for it over the billions of Years of evolution, or because it would not work, even when we train it.
Just look the gum men's at this.
But mainly i could see, why parts can hold a charge at one side, but from the other Side, charge would not connect to them.

[Jbignes5]

I would like to say this.

We all know it started somewhere. We all know it started somehow. But there are a lot of clues as to the event. Even if you don't care to take any of those clue there are a lot of them.
Ok one thing we know is this. Black holes exist. We know in the direct center of the universe or where we thing that center is, are some super massive black holes. Many black holes. And they seem to be gathering there. They orbit one another till eventually, plop they merge.
This is a clue that has a one way result. Eventually all matter will go back to that result. What the black holes do is grind the matter up and spit out the energy in a cone emanating from the center of the black hole. This means that it is a separative event. This matter then clings to the singularity inside of the black hole. with the kind of pressures and heat that I suspect would come from that crystals would naturally form from the matter under those stresses. These are assumptions but they are assumed with knowledge of what would happen under those conditions. No one can refute that. Black holes never stop they go dormant till more matter comes their way or until another black hole links due to the separate singularities potentials. One must always be higher or lower to have an attraction and a flow begins or "conduit" forms. This conduit is much like a line of force that comes from a magnet but on a much larger scale or resolution.
I am going through this action of nature to show you that at one point this is exactly what happened "In the begining". With the best of my thinking is that the cycle is in the middle portion atm. Meaning we are heading to that point again. Although that would take eons to naturally cycle through that process. My point here is that there is evidence that the black holes are growing, growing and joining and gaining a lot of potential as they go along in their cycle. This joining allows the singularities to join or form in certain cases a balance of that potentials between the two if two join and a third smaller one gets sucked into the mix. This balance is what I believe causes the black hole to become dormant until another happens to merge with it by chance. Then the cycle continues. Well I believe if we zoom out farther to be able to see our whole universe that there is in fact a barrier. What shape it is who knows but one thing is certain. This black hole we are in is sooo massive it would boggle your mind.
Now here is the kicker. These singularities are the crystals. They work in the same manner as what I think is on the smallest scales. They obey the same fundamental rules that the larger ones obey except for additional rules are applied to the largest ones. I am thinking that once it gets to a certain point in mass that once it hits the balance part the additional rules kick in. Meaning the scale of the mass gets so large it crushes a portion of the matter in between the singularities. It instantly turns to crystal and is most likely a flawed geometric shape like a layer of cubes that have connected the both halves of the accumulated singularities. This event would happen in a blink of an eye and it changes the dynamics of the crystals in that fracturing of that layer. Since both halves of the now bigger then anything we could imagine layer of crystals have nothing to hold or channel that flow of energy it releases that energy in a great radiative event all along that 2d plane of crystals. This forces the planes apart inside the black holes material and when it gets to a certain point the two halves are very equal so they repel even further. As time goes by that repelling ebbs and a huge plainer space is created by both of the potentials being equal. Kinda like two like poles of a magnet. The spiraling nature of our universe comes from the major lines of force that become a neutral zone. At some point I believe another black hole added to only one side of this huge bubble we are in causing an imballance again and is slightly pulling each other together. This would cause our material plane to compress and become larger and to exhibit polar flow from one side to the other. North and south and the planets which are like particles to these crystals and align to the flow becoming channels much like our compasses do to north and south on our planet. When we have resistances to flow radiative events happen right? Well this is where all our energies come from inside our planet. We are like a huge resistor or even a coil seeing that spin is involved.
There must be a channel between our solar system and I think the massive bodies like Jupiter show evidence of such connection. We are starting to see a hexagonal formation on the northern most pole. This pattern is in the gases that are swirling around the polar axis of Jupiter I believe. There can be no doubt that something is causing that geometric shape at the pole and I believe I know why.
I am thinking this effect is made because the planet is so huge. It, the matter or mass, was attracted to a nodal point of the solar systems energy network. As it attracted mass that condensed from space to it's nodal static charges, the network grew to handle the extra mass. Once this mass drags more charges into the node it must gather more mass to balance itself out. Balance is a fundamental rule. Balance is the ambient charge level on mass scales. Although balance still is the fundamental rule so it should be on the smallest scales as well.
The reason that these nodal points grow is that mass condenses around the conduits. The mass is attracted by the static nature of the charges at the nodal points. Jupiter's mass has matured. Meaning when charges attract or move on the network they tend to draw in more of the network in effect growing the conduits to handle more flow through the mass. Especially if it has mass of it's own around it the network conduits (lines of force). It seems mass is attracted to the charges and the charges are attracted to the network. This moves you through space by connecting and disconnecting to the network you are moving through in a passive manner. This could be how we are getting our energy as well.
This is evident of how we are growing. Our own charge or point source is growing and our network is balancing out the build to match our point source. We age because of errors that happen from replicating our cells so much. This would be akin to a fax transmission being sent over and over over our entire lives. The proof of this is by researching about of skin. We shed skin 24/7.
I didn't want to go further until I got everyone input. I know there is a lot in there to chew on but take your time with it. And please bear with me because my mind sometimes takes off in more then one direction at the same time sometimes. Please if it confuses you focus on that area and I'll try my best to rephrase it.

[Jbignes5]

one of the best examples.

The best example of this network and how we are connected to it is Aaron's link to his workshop.

A Course in Mind Power by Aaron Murakami

The cover to his book is what I am trying to get you to understand.

It shows an example of the connections that run to our point source. So when I say we are connected I literally mean we are connected trough the same network. God is our subconsious minds or is in our minds if we let him. He gives us that choice to be connected or not. That is his gift to us. God is literally everything summed up. It is the greater good of that sum and the greater wisdom of that sum. If one lives his life in isolation, we all know there have been studies on this, we tend to go crazy. Man was always meant to be part of the whole but man has to want that connection.
Ok that being said, back to the theories.

Tesla found out that all one needed to do was signal (voltage), via the network, the charges that he wanted to gather then provide a way to flow through his device with the load in the way as a resistance. This resistance would be radiated or converted into whatever that load was designed to convert it to. It would draw whatever it's maximum work potential was minus all the other macro rules that applied like friction and the rest. It was a very simplistic view and he learned through his experiments that in fact current runs into your devices via it's conduits causing manifestations in the resistances it encountered on the way twords that potential.
Mary knows this actually but she sees it in reverse. The only thing that is driving up the heat on the coil is that the charges are hitting the resistive covering on the coil before it enters the wires of that coil. This causes added heat without doing anything to get it really but provide the potential. What would increase her cop even further would be to add static shielding to everything but the coil. That would allow for a higher concentration of these charges entering her element and not the rest of her cicuit. I would bank on that but this is still under experimental examination by me. But Mary I would highly suggest you try these method I just describe. A static shielding is just aluminum foil wrapped around either the wires of the whole circuit or plate shielded with a box with the element outside of that shielding. Makje sure it is "Water tight", meaning that it should not leak. Do not hook the shielding to anything. It must be a free floating shielding or static shielding. I would be interested on what happens then to your experiment. I highly recommend it to try as both proof of my thinking or methods and proof that we have the process in reverse. I would highly recommend you even shield the coil somehow to only expose the resistive material of that coil. Try to remember that you are using some high voltages so try to keep the shielding far enough away or use a dialectric to keep it from shorting out over the shielding. The shielding must be an enveloping shielding, meaning that it must encapsulate the unit and only expose where you want the charges to enter your system. If you run into problems with the element burning out then I suggest that you design an variable slot opening like static shielding for the element to control the amount of charges flowing twords the high potential source (element). Much like a valve that we use for fluids. And since you have no real out the battery will get nailed. You might want to put a small antenna on the negative post of the battery to let the extra charges radiate out that way. That way the battery will only take what it is capable of taking and the rest can flow out the antenna. You will have to experiment with the size of the antenna and tune it to your system for best performance. I suggest using steel for the antenna and try to keep a line of sight with the coil as well. You could actually get a flow going from the antenna to the coil netting more focus via streaming effects.

[Agent.A]

some pointers, heres a theory that invalidate yours.

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Black holes never stop they go dormant till more matter comes their way or until another black hole links due to the separate singularities potentials
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My point here is that there is evidence that the black holes are growing, growing and joining and gaining a lot of potential as they go along in their cycle
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This balance is what I believe causes the black hole to become dormant until another happens to merge with it by chance
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- Black hole evaporation - Black hole die - radiates it self to oblivion -

Hawking radiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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This matter then clings to the singularity inside of the black hole
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These are assumptions but they are assumed with knowledge of what would happen under those conditions
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These singularities are the crystals
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come on !

you really should read material ( LOTS ) of -> Plato, Descartes, Bertrand Russell and some other great minds.

[Jbignes5]

Hawkings is wrong....

He has a contrary theory and that I really can not say is wrong until we prove it... The proof is not proof just another theory. You can not prove a theory wrong with another theory only facts and data can prove that and we are not here to prove anything at the moment. Although it would help and yes I might ask someone to try something but that would be data now wouldn't it?
And I am not trying to prove his theory wrong in any sense. I am trying to define a new theory that explains it all. You need to read more before throwing other theories at mine. I give examples to facts not theories, what we do know as proof not arguements to other theories.
I explain black hole in the truth of what we do know not what others think that happens. I site natural means to get the results not what if's. Although there is a certain amount of maybe's most is due to the fact that we can not see the underlying causes. Well thats where I have tried to use references from all that we do know about massive black holes.
You are trying to debunk everything we are doing. And to tell you the truth I don't like that. Now please go away and stop trying to throw theories at my own. Like I saids you can't read or better yet you don't want to understand what you read in a clear sense.
Just stop you are making a fool of yourself and you were warned about that as well!

So while I'm on the subject of you, why did you make the name agent.a? The way you are acting is much like the agent.a maleware virus. Is that why you chose the name agent.a?

Oh and by the way there is an alternative theory to the radiation theory of Hawkings. Well to be simple, black holes usually have a connected twin. This connection is the network being twisted between the two nodes. Think about this now. The material being drawn to another black hole through this conduit with the core being the last drop. Kinda like using a straw to drink with. The pressure being the flow through this conduit from the smaller black hole twords the larger. But see you would know that if you actually read what I said not just two posts above. I get it you don't believe this line of thought. Fine Go away then and let us define what is really happening. You are never open to anything. New thoughts to you is a heritical thing... We get that.... Now shoo fly....

It seems to me that you only want a fight. But thats a two way event. For which I respectfully ask Aromaz to get you booted from this thread. You have contributed nothing but attacks and childish revenge attacks on us like we are trying to attack you somehow...
So please Aromaz do what you have to do and get this waste of space out of this thread. Not one post from him could even be considered constructive.
Thanks,
jbignes5

[Vickers]

hawkings is always wromg/....due to tomorrorow

[Jbignes5]

oh and he ate crow

hawkings is always wromg/....due to tomorrorow

He was wrong for over 20 years and then came out and said he was wrong. It's a big blow to ones ego to say they are wrong especially if they defended that proposition for decades.
Not that I am right but it makes fundamental sense how I describe it. There is no invisible in my thought process and it all must be connected. If it wasn't our solar system would rip itself apart and as far as I know we are still here even after billions of years....

There is another concept that I wanted to touch on as well. This concept is the dimensions as we know them. To us there seems to be 3 dimension that we can sense. And I think there is one more that must be present. The energy network is the 4th dimension. This network defines the real by the junctions that form between the conduits to those nodes or junctions. Was this all by chance or was it from another higher wisdom that this network is apart of. I tend to believe that there is a greater wisdom out there and there is also the diametric opposite or chaos factor. Call this chaos fact evil or whatever but it is what gets rejected from the God or the greater good. It could be also related to the opposing crystals that cause our void to form (space). Ohhh wait I forgot about space. Well plain and simple it is a different resolution of density of this energy network. It is caused by the separation of the crystals when they flew apart. You could say that the network is stretched out and less dense then our own based on the amount of mass that is holding the network fabric together in a tighter spacing or density. When the network is added it it increases this density of the network and it is defined by the mass of that object. remember that everything radiates these lines of force and they connect together passively causing resistance or reactions (springiness) of resistance from moving the network around. I believe this is the very method that nature uses to form the vortex we are now seeing everywhere including the most apparent being the black hole or even water going down a drain for that fact.

[Agent.A]

@Jbignes5

i wrote that he has a THEORY, not PROOF.

his theory makes your invalid. i can say that otherwise, your theory makes his invalid. it goes both ways.

your definitions and theories are based on your own LOGIC and that is the culprit since we, as humans,
are blind to many things and each and every theory is build on assumptions that may be very incorrect. ( what you call FACTS and i call DATA )

I explain black hole in the truth of what we do know not what others think that happens

what truth ? what do you think you know on the subject ? we can open a different thread in order not to debunk this.

as to my nickname, thats what it is and is not the subject of this thread.

this thread is about ENERGY and POLARITY and as such, demands the questions about interactions and change. how it all relates.
if such questions and other are not allowed, what does anyones theory worth ?

you want constructive ? heres constructive, viola.

in Le Bon's book, 'The Evolution of Forces', P.31,

i'll edit soon