Tesla's Car and Moray's Box

[pha3z]

Does anyone have any insight into Tesla's car or Moray's box? I'm guessing they were working on similar principles. I know the construction of the parts was different, though. Supposedly Moray's box contained chambers with some kind of granular material that is speculated might have been slightly radioactive in nature (though I'm not convinced of this). All i know is that they say the chambers contained what he called "valves" and that they behaved like some kind of semi-conductor. Regarding Tesla's car, there is also an account floating around about a relative or friend that got a chance to ride with Tesla in the car once. The account states that Tesla had brought a box with some kind of tubes with him and plugged the box into the dashboard of the car. The tubes were believed to be the primary source of power. He had been working on the box in his hotel room before bringing it to the car. The car was silent in operation.

I am seriously new at electricity and electronics, but from everything I've learned, an LC circuit resonates based on the characteristics of the capacitor. If you look at Tesla's patent on Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy, he charges a capacitor before discharging it to do whatever he wants with it. Now since every circuit has a certain natural resonance, I wondered if the capacitor is actually gaining the bulk of its charge based on cosmic rays or em waves or scalar waves which interact with the resonant frequency of the circuit. I think I'm wrong on this but I really dont know what causes Tesla's circuit to be so weak so I'm posing this thought for feedback.

The reason I bring up that issue is this: isn't there a tremendous amount of total energy in the form of EM and cosmic rays everywhere? Isn't the problem of harvesting it that any method we normally use is only picking up a very narrow band of that energy? So if we could devise a way to pick up a wide band or all of it, we'd have more energy than we can fathom.

Consider that Tesla's car may have had an antenna on it (possibly receiving cosmic energy?). And consider that Moray's device is reported to have put out 50,000 WATTS with no input!! 50,000 watts is crazy! That sounds like the type of number one might predict if he had indeed found a way to harness nearly all of the cosmic or em waves passing that region of space.

Also, here's another question to put a different perspective on things: Can any light be gleaned by studying how earth batteries work? Based on strange accounts of Nathan Stubblefields work and his patents, he apparently figured out how to use large amounts of energy in some ways that would have appeared almost impossible to believe because the mechanisms were so peculiar. Since earth batteries are brewing natural currents straight from a dielectric, is there something going on here that can help understand what's happening when a circuit picks up em or scalar energy?

[Inquorate]

radioactive material (from spent nuclear rods, etc) is hard to get these days. But I believe tesla treated steel to be radioactive, and moray's valve was radioactive. If a coil is wrapped around a spent fuel rod, at the correct resonance, the coil will probably develop potential and then current. That's a WAAAY oversimplified description, but you get the point.

radioactive 'waste' is probably not waste. That's my tentative theory

[Jbignes5]

Does anyone have any insight into Tesla's car or Moray's box? I'm guessing they were working on similar principles. I know the construction of the parts was different, though. Supposedly Moray's box contained chambers with some kind of granular material that is speculated might have been slightly radioactive in nature (though I'm not convinced of this). All i know is that they say the chambers contained what he called "valves" and that they behaved like some kind of semi-conductor. Regarding Tesla's car, there is also an account floating around about a relative or friend that got a chance to ride with Tesla in the car once. The account states that Tesla had brought a box with some kind of tubes with him and plugged the box into the dashboard of the car. The tubes were believed to be the primary source of power. He had been working on the box in his hotel room before bringing it to the car. The car was silent in operation.

I am seriously new at electricity and electronics, but from everything I've learned, an LC circuit resonates based on the characteristics of the capacitor. If you look at Tesla's patent on Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy, he charges a capacitor before discharging it to do whatever he wants with it. Now since every circuit has a certain natural resonance, I wondered if the capacitor is actually gaining the bulk of its charge based on cosmic rays or em waves or scalar waves which interact with the resonant frequency of the circuit. I think I'm wrong on this but I really dont know what causes Tesla's circuit to be so weak so I'm posing this thought for feedback.

The reason I bring up that issue is this: isn't there a tremendous amount of total energy in the form of EM and cosmic rays everywhere? Isn't the problem of harvesting it that any method we normally use is only picking up a very narrow band of that energy? So if we could devise a way to pick up a wide band or all of it, we'd have more energy than we can fathom.

Consider that Tesla's car may have had an antenna on it (possibly receiving cosmic energy?). And consider that Moray's device is reported to have put out 50,000 WATTS with no input!! 50,000 watts is crazy! That sounds like the type of number one might predict if he had indeed found a way to harness nearly all of the cosmic or em waves passing that region of space.

Also, here's another question to put a different perspective on things: Can any light be gleaned by studying how earth batteries work? Based on strange accounts of Nathan Stubblefields work and his patents, he apparently figured out how to use large amounts of energy in some ways that would have appeared almost impossible to believe because the mechanisms were so peculiar. Since earth batteries are brewing natural currents straight from a dielectric, is there something going on here that can help understand what's happening when a circuit picks up em or scalar energy?

He had both a large antenna and two smaller antennas that he inserted into the box. He was indeed receiving something. In this article "Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency" by Nikola Tesla ... one can see He indeed was receiving but that something was the thin sheet that developed in between two in (smaller antennas) and a much larger antenna but only larger in the sense of surface area not mass. Equal mass. So that his special oil filled Transformer wouldn't be out of balance. In the article it goes into how he could shape the static field that formed between the source (larger surface area compared to the smaller) and in (smaller) in.
If one reads about what happens in the event you would see that the field gets more intense as it is flowing from the source to the much smaller surface area in. In effect being able to scoop up more charges as it enters the smaller in. This energy is static in nature so there needs to be another inlet (other small inlet) that one could pull from the stream of charges that are cycled into the device as it runs on demand. Like a y connection from the source and each connecting to the smaller antennas. With one having the load in between. Of course the load will have to be designed for high voltage or modified to have that capability With a better voltage breakdown properties. The last requirement is that the load will be running full throttle and needs to have enough cooling built in or added on.
In Tesla's case he added fan blades to the not used end on the motor he used in the pierce arrow and he might have added a pulser circuit after the load to regulate the charges through the load. Hence all the tubes on the box.
If you do one thing you need to read all of that article I referenced to you. Once you start to see that he figured out how to scoop charges through a cycle or stream and not deplete the area of charges you will start to understand his methods after wardencliff or went back to after wardencliff.

It would be interesting to see if these thin sheets would cut through the air like wings on a plane. You could have a large antenna in between two smaller outside wingtip antennas. Hmmm....

You also need to pay attention to shielding and since he talks about static shielding in the paper I suggest it was used heavily around and after the source to control the flow and direct it the way he wanted. Tesla did in fact design coax as well or a static version. In the article it talks about the shielding extending into the oil and not coming to close to the wires connections.

[Stealth]

I don't know whether you would want to, or what effect it will have on your reproductive organs, but you can obtain radioactive material if you wish. It is not very high powered,but if you would use more of it, and condense it, it should have plenty of power to do what experimentation you need. You could build your own nuclear battery is you so wish. The radioactive substance I am referring to is Americium. Every smoke detector built has a small quantity of this substance inside it.It is what sets the detector off in case of smoke or fire. I have not used it for obvious reasons. Good Luck. Stealth

[Jbignes5]

I don't know whether you would want to, or what effect it will have on your reproductive organs, but you can obtain radioactive material if you wish. It is not very high powered,but if you would use more of it, and condense it, it should have plenty of power to do what experimentation you need. You could build your own nuclear battery is you so wish. The radioactive substance I am referring to is Americium. Every smoke detector built has a small quantity of this substance inside it.It is what sets the detector off in case of smoke or fire. I have not used it for obvious reasons. Good Luck. Stealth

There is very little practical use for radioactive materials. The very mechanism that produces the radiative effects can be simulated via our current newest understandings of this. All radio active materials radiate a constant emission of potential drawing a constant flow of charges. Those charges are very dangerous if not shielded from organic matter because of the stress of those charges inflict as they travel twords the natural point source(s).
We don't want to simulate the mechanism that creates the emissions but actually to use the mechanism to create a cycle that balances out those attractions of charges so they have slower response to the attraction and are less dangerous for everything in between the potential and the source. Kind of like pulsing a motor has less current draw or reacts less to the resistances between that motor and source.

[Stealth]

Radioactive experiments

Yes,I agree that our use of radioactive substances should be limited. They do go against all of nature.I only posted this information for experimental purposes only. The military is the largest users of radioactive materials,as they use them to power all their submarines and most of their battleships and aircraft carriers. Any large heavy machinery could be powered this way,as radioactive material heats water to convert it to steam. But this seems to be a step backwards, as far as energy production goes. There are many more powerful solutions to our energy needs to use nuclear fuels.I am sure they(the ones in control),have far better energy solutions,but will not let us use these, or release these to the general public.Too much money is to be made on fossil fules, as long as they last. It will be extremely hard to bring any FE or OU energy system to the public.Good Luck. Stealth

[Jbignes5]

No luck required.

Simply put when faced with the truth one can not deny that truth. Even if they did I am letting everyone know what is the truth as best and as far down as my mind lets me see. These truths are as accurately reported and experimented as one can do through all the ages that we have had thought to experiment on. Others might want to hide the truth but I think it is out of the bag now. There are limits to our vision but there is no limit to our potential to see the unseen.
If one follows the train of thought that on the biggest scales must be clues to what is going on in the smallest of scales. One can see the purest of actions in the case of energy. The action of motion from a static charge one would need a fulcrum to resolve that motion. That fulcrum is a vehicle for the charge to ride on and to have motion based on pure potential is manifested by a much smaller network that is in constant motion, meaning that there is a limitless supply of motion in nature. The vehicle must covey or give freely the potential of the static charge without conveying the charge itself with much higher influences of massed charges, crystals fit the bill. Ever heard of the pizzo effect?
If you get this one thing about this is that massive collections will organize into networks and those small networks will organize into much larger networks to your hearts content. In fact we are made up of a biliion quardrillion little networks organized into specific networks that allow flows between our internal systems. This natural organization follows or mirrors what is happening on the smallest scales. Just much simpler in organization of the underlying medium or energy networks on the smaller scale. On mass they become more complex and riddles with faults that create resistances to the flow or accelerations of that flow or movement. So movement is flow and flow is caused by the static made mobile. The static I believe stays static because movement creates more movement in the static through a separation or medium of the statics displaced by the conductors. On the finest resolution energy even has a network and below that another network. All this happened from a very big event. I believe the event is yet another resolution change to the largest of scales or larger then we could fathom from looking from our resolution.
Since Black holes exist I believe this original event was inside one of those black holes material or crystal. The extreme pressure and temperature in that black hole created the biggest known crystal one could imagine. Since we know that one can break a single row of that crystal we know at one time something struck the black holes material causing an inclusion. This inclusion made a separation in the crystal and static forces repelled the two parts apart creating the void of our universe in a vacuum. When all the broken pieces that made up that crystal moved enough away from the sources they formed networks that build pretty fast. These networks were so fine and organized that energy was completely still. It was the action of the impurities of the original crystal that formed matter around the nodes of these networks and matter condensed into existence. They were statically attracted to the source charges that were the nodes or flexible parts of the network. Imagine if you will the modeling we currently use to show compounds or chemical composition of matter. Matter forms around the charges locking in the energy matrix that it condensed around. Some of these networks are very compressed because the networks were of a finer detail. They are finer because the source charges were bunched up more at the node points.
Now to the conductors mass. Well to put it simple it has to be out of balance within it's reference to itself. Meaning one end in very very small and the other end is massive in comparison. Take for instance a Pyramid. That is such a shape that I think mirrors the natural conductors shape. If you look at certain microscopic views of salt crystals you can see that they are built from the top down via surface area growing larger as it builds up. The funny thing about crystals at that resolution is that they are built in layers. These layers I believe are the ability to attract or sense potential differences by a finer crystalline structure that has been attracted to the sloping face into the charge that is help between the layers of crystals as you go up twords the tip. This is actually why we see capacitance but this is a static capacitance and is balanced or maintained by the crystals layers.
Sorry but I have to take a break now. See if that makes sense to you all?

[pha3z]

@Jbignes5 Thanks! Your last post is pretty abstract. I tried to get what I could from it. Your first post with the article is interesting. I will read the article later when I get more time! Thank you!

[Aromaz]

Nuclear material - in particular Radium

Does anyone have any insight into Tesla's car or Moray's box? I'm guessing they were working on similar principles. . .

There is only ONE reason we can not duplicate these experiments:
In both these cases and many other like Stublefield, Hubbart etc.
These experiments were done with Radioactive material - mostly radium.

The tubes/valves/antenae - all were based on material coated with Radium.

I wrote much about this; the how’s and whys in my tread: Aromaz Radiant Energy Joint Research Group around posting #545 onwards.

New info I can add now: The so called mysterious Swedish Stone:
Again something I did not see, or found before but suspected:
It is a very nice looking whitish stone - and feels warm and soapy.
It is Alum-shale.

Chronology Of Some Key Nuclear Cycle Events In Sweden
Early 1900s: Attempts to extract radioactive minerals from alum shale in Västergötland. An attempt to produce radium on an industrial scale began in 1905 by the AB Kolm company. The project became unprofitable and was abandoned in 1915.

There you are; one more link in the mystery closed.

If you look at Tesla's patent on Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy, he charges a capacitor before discharging it to do whatever he wants with it.

Radiant energy - That is Cosmic in nature; but also on earth. ALL energy
radiated from any matter falls into this category. From outer space we are
bombarded with Radiant Energy - re-read Nuclear Energy; Alpha, Beta,
Gamma and the full ElectroMagnetic spectrum Plus more. Thus if you have
a metal rod, coated with Radium - you can harvest Radiant Energy.

Can any light be gleaned by studying how earth batteries work? Based on strange accounts of Nathan Stubblefields work and his patents, he apparently figured out how to use large amounts of energy in some ways that would have appeared almost impossible to believe because the mechanisms were so peculiar.

Nathan Stubblefields farm was (is) very rich in pitchblende.
Pitchblende is the ore from where America is extracting its supply of Uranium.

(other uranium deposits are in variety of other mineral deposits. In South Africa it is usually a by product from Gold mines.)

All of those mysterious experiments were Nuclear Based.
And all of those earlier successes in Alternative energy was Nuclear based.
Except: Floyd Sweet and one gent I cannot remember the name of at the moment: Actually made a car and died in accident, at same time all his notes and experiments disappeared.

[Aromaz]

radioactive material (from spent nuclear rods, etc) is hard to get these days. But I believe tesla treated steel to be radioactive, and moray's valve was radioactive. If a coil is wrapped around a spent fuel rod, at the correct resonance, the coil will probably develop potential and then current. That's a WAAAY oversimplified description, but you get the point.

radioactive 'waste' is probably not waste. That's my tentative theory

You are SO right. But just imagine what will happen to the oil money if we
can start using the waste rods to make generators for every house that will
run for hundreds of years with no maintenance?

[Jbignes5]

yeah....

@Jbignes5 Thanks! Your last post is pretty abstract. I tried to get what I could from it. Your first post with the article is interesting. I will read the article later when I get more time! Thank you!

I know it can get deep but don't think too much about it. At the level we are looking everything have only a very few basic laws to behave with. They are really geometric rules but in 3d. Then you have flow rules for the finer energetic levels of these conductors. it goes to infinity because if it didn't at one point it would all flow together and become unified. The mass of these conductors are really only shells or lattices constructed out of it's very own structure. Each replicating itself.
At some point the mass takes over and errors get formed from larger rules that get applied from massing at each set of levels you go up. With the set being harmonics. Meaning the division from one level that it takes to get to the next larger level is a harmonic whole.
Lets see if that helps?

[rickoff]

Does anyone have any insight into Tesla's car or Moray's box?

You might find some of the posts beginning here may be of interest to you: http://www.energeticforum.com/47929-post142.html

Rick

[chainmailleman]

Cold Cathode

(I was going to start a thread, then I found this)

Multipaction.

Moray used a cold cathode.

Farnsworth used a cold cathode.

Tesla used a cold cathode (carbon button lamp)

The radioactive material enhances primary/secondary emission.

Looking at the geometry of all of the tubes of the inventors mentioned, three things are apparent:

1.) The main design of the tube is a spherical design, with a spherical electrode in the center, coated in the radioactive material to enhance secondary emission.

2.) The flow of energy in these tubes follows divergence/convergence models. A "radiant" energy as it radially propagates inwards or outwards.

3.) ALL utilize the cold cathode emission of a primary electron.

One thing is for certain, Moray, Tesla, and Farnsworth were on to multipaction.

[Ufopolitics]

My Opinion...

Hello to All,

Nice Thread!

Now,according to my concepts, based on my research and development, and putting it simple words...

Radiant Energy: The Energy stored in Electromagnetic Field Waves.

Capturing Radiant Energy could be done by playing with magnetic fields...creating a "Bait Magnetic Field"...to attract the Radiant Field.

For more than one Century our Classic Physics have not been dedicating "much interest" on researching different types of Electromagnetic fields generation, excitation...pulsing, increasing/decreasing amplitudes...gain...etc,etc.

Just a "Few" Scientists have done this type of heavy research/development...and all got successful results, it is just a shame...they All were silenced, Seized or "Mysteriously Disappearing" from our sight.


Search Walter Russel, Tesla, Gray, Meyer...and so on.

My point is...


"Theorizing" about just the "means" or a portion, to obtain the Magnetic Fields Excitation from Radiant Energy ...will not allow you to "see" the whole picture...


Tesla's Black Box...was NOT all the key there...the "Holy Grail" that "enclosed in a box"...hiding a "secret"...

That "Black Box" had some Twelve "Rectifiers Bulbs" (70-l-7 Vacuum Bulbs)

To me...that box was just the "Rectifying side" to a whole other System...


What about the Motor installed in that Car?

Do You all really think it was a "Production Line" simple machine by Westinghouse Electric Co.?

Did You ever read about the two nice sized Coils...and two steel rods inserted by Tesla saying the famous words..."Now We have Power"...


My humble opinion...

Do not just look/concentrate/focus all research/theorizing...tinkering... about just "one little Black Box"...while missing the other components...in the entire system.


We have been doing that for a long time...and nothing has been found so far...maybe change the methods?


Regards


Ufopolitics

[chainmailleman]

That "Black Box" had some Twelve "Rectifiers Bulbs" (70-l-7 Vacuum Bulbs)

To me...that box was just the "Rectifying side" to a whole other System...

I also am under the same impression. However I think the tubes used were not of the 70L7 type. The filament heater needs 70 volts and is rated for watts, not kilowatts when the motor was rated much higher values. Perhaps these were not rectifiers but a local oscillator to provide frequency modulation for throttle control, or tune a multipactor.