what do you think is happening to Jupiter?

[digitz]

While Zecharia Sitchin brought and popularized much stuff about ETs and man's creation, he never showed up the sources of these stories. We can imagine he used sumerian clay tablets, but there is no tablet saying about that ETs came from Nibiru. Anything he said about Nibiru, has no real source and he never explained where it comes from (he could have said he dreamt it, had a vision, but he didn't).

If you're interested in this subject you might find some good and more recent infos here: THE AGES OF URAS

[boguslaw]

Every night I see on sky a very bright star.Could be Venus but it's very bright really and quite big.I'm not an expert however.

[aljhoa]

Every night I see on sky a very bright star.Could be Venus but it's very bright really and quite big.I'm not an expert however.

You have three choices: known planet or a star and the unknown.
Observed in the East a few hours after sunset, similar in color to "blue" headlights and twinkling more likely is Sirius. If you see it in the western sky shortly after sunset, approaching steady halogen headlights color then it is Venus.
Al

[IndianaBoys]

Novelty theory and Time Wave Zero Point

Terence McKenna proposed a point called Timewave Zero that may be of interest:

Novelty theory and Time Wave Zero Point
Terence McKenna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One of McKenna's ideas is known as novelty theory. It predicts the ebb and flow of novelty in the universe as an inherent quality of time. McKenna developed the theory in the mid-1970s after his experiences in the Amazon at La Chorrera led him to closely study the King Wen sequence of the I-Ching. Novelty theory involves ontology, extropy, and eschatology.

The theory proposes that the universe is an engine designed for the production and conservation of novelty. Novelty, in this context, can be thought of as newness, or extropy (a term coined by Max More meaning the opposite of entropy). According to McKenna, when novelty is graphed over time, a fractal waveform known as "timewave zero" or simply the "timewave" results. The graph shows at what time periods, but never at what locations, novelty increases or decreases and is supposed to represent a model of history's most important events.

Software for viewing Time Wave Zero was written by R.J. Pease, but was replaced by a Fortran version which appears in The Invisible Landscape.

The algorithm has also been extrapolated to be a model for future events. McKenna admitted to the expectation of a "singularity of novelty", and that he and his colleagues projected into the future to find when this singularity (runaway "newness" or extropy) could occur. Millenarians give more credence to Novelty theory as a way to predict the future (especially regarding 2012) than McKenna himself. The graph of extropy had many enormous fluctuations over the last 25,000 years, but it hits an asymptote in the middle of November, 2012. After his discovery of other doomsday theories that would take place on exactly December 21, 2012, he simply bumped up the date of "doomsday".[21] This statement is contested, however, by McKenna's own mouth when during a lecture he said,
“ An astonishing thing about the date I arrived at, by this method is that it's the same date that the Mayan civilization appointed for the end of its calendar. In all eternity ... You know, you may choose not to believe that I didn't know this when I made this prediction. But I didn't, know it! I didn't. Yet I chose not the month, not the same year - the same day, month and year.[22] ”

In other words, entropy (or habituation) no longer exists after that date. It is impossible to define that state. This is also the date on which the Mayan long calendar ends one cycle through the zodiac signs, then it begins a new 26,000 year cycle through the next era, or the Age of Peace. The technological singularity concept parallels this, only at a date roughly three decades later.


This is just one of the many talks Terence gave that are up on YouTube and Google.

timewavezero clip
YouTube - timewavezero clip


IndianaBoys

[Jbignes5]

hmmm...

Every night I see on sky a very bright star.Could be Venus but it's very bright really and quite big.I'm not an expert however.

Probably atmospheric effects.

But has anyone been looking at the sun through the telescopes they have setup? The sun has been acting weird for awhile now. It is flashing like it is getting a pulse from somewhere.
The other interesting thing is a discharge that is x-ray based from Jupiter at the northern pole that goes off every 45 minutes... This has happened for decades now so this is not a new thing.
Jupiter is gaining mass though. Scientists have seen big intrusions into Jupiters atmosphere. They are suggesting these are from a second asteroid field. So it's source is attracting more mass and growing in potential. Eventually when does that mass superceed the suns controlling mass potential?
Here is a clue "Jupiter is the fifth planet from the Sun and the largest planet within the Solar System.[13] It is a gas giant with a mass slightly less than one-thousandth of the Sun but is two and a half times the mass of all the other planets in our Solar System combined."

[thedude]

yes there are more flashes

Nasa has definitely saw more flashes indicating more impacts on Jupiter taking place. I believe there is a recent photo that illustrates one of the recent impacts on Nasa's site. So something external aside from shifting magnetic fields could be contributing. However,

As far as the debate on the reasons for our increased solar activity is concerned, my feelings are that there are a great number of scientific models that support the concept that we are currently on route to the galactic plane. The procession of the equinoxes and the change over into a new age coincide with this transition. A period of approximately 25,765 years, the so called great Platonic year (What Aromaz mentioned @ aprox 13000 years I believe is half way, procession and regression)

A lot of suggestive information I know. But in light of Nasa's recent admittance that they have to rewrite their current theories and models of how the sun works, due to the most recent and deepest solar minimum ever observed with the highest number of dark spots and solar activity (all true and verifiable information), I would say that our sun is picking up energy from some where. Read here - NASA - Solar 'Current of Fire' Speeds Up - NASA Science
Where would this energy be most concentrated in my opinion? Along the galactic plane seems the most reasonable explanation. There is a lot of support for this concept.

I'm going to try to find the most substantiating info about galactic plane theory i can and post here.

[Jbignes5]

Nasa has definitely saw more flashes indicating more impacts on Jupiter taking place. I believe there is a recent photo that illustrates one of the recent impacts on Nasa's site. So something external aside from shifting magnetic fields could be contributing. However,

As far as the debate on the reasons for our increased solar activity is concerned, my feelings are that there are a great number of scientific models that support the concept that we are currently on route to the galactic plane. The procession of the equinoxes and the change over into a new age coincide with this transition. A period of approximately 25,765 years, the so called great Platonic year (What Aromaz mentioned @ aprox 13000 years I believe is half way, procession and regression)

A lot of suggestive information I know. But in light of Nasa's recent admittance that they have to rewrite their current theories and models of how the sun works, due to the most recent and deepest solar minimum ever observed with the highest number of dark spots and solar activity (all true and verifiable information), I would say that our sun is picking up energy from some where. Read here - NASA - Solar 'Current of Fire' Speeds Up - NASA Science
Where would this energy be most concentrated in my opinion? Along the galactic plane seems the most reasonable explanation. There is a lot of support for this concept.

I'm going to try to find the most substantiating info about galactic plane theory i can and post here.

I agree. but as to how is the question. The planar alignments are one explanation but Just hearing that they have to rewrite their theories give me complete and utter disgust that their theories would have not included anything like that. The reason is exactly what got us to this very point. When designing any theory one must take in what they can't see and to tell you the truth they shoved that aside because it meant it was outside their little boxes.
There have been many who said they have it all wrong. That they made the theories based on what they can see and that is the inverse to the real events or source. This is evident when they say, oh by the way we have to rewrite our theories. If the theory was right all along they would not have to rewrite them in the first place.
It is this very method that has killed and destroyed everything we touch. We have separated ourselves from the natural and have become most unnatural both in the way we treat each other and our methods of observation.
Our culture is only a means to divide us Humans and that division is killing our spirit or souls. We sit around arguing semantics when we should be out watching and helping one another. But it is all about money atm. That has become our focus and not the love of ourselves.
Case in point: BP Oil. Nuff said

[boguslaw]

Don't be terrified if someday Sun will be turned off for a few days.I think it is electric plasma ball and external energy source is producing current which drive our Sun, and that current is sinusoidal AC like but of very long period.There is a point in time when current is zero in AC.
Wheelwork of nature.

[Jbignes5]

I think we are at a new era...

Don't be terrified if someday Sun will be turned off for a few days.I think it is electric plasma ball and external energy source is producing current which drive our Sun, and that current is sinusoidal AC like but of very long period.There is a point in time when current is zero in AC.
Wheelwork of nature.

I think the real mass of the sun is not what we suspect. I think it is more close to Jupiter's mass just because the suns outer surface is spread out because the surface is mostly gases in transition. Just like Jupiter but Jupiter's atmosphere is not ignited yet. The x-ray emissions coming from the spot on Jupiter are in the gigawatt range in power and thats huge.
If you look at this link to the internal structure section one can see that it's core is very heavy. Jupiter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It could be that it is preparing to ignite and replace our center of the solar system. It could be the connections that retain our solar system are arcing back and forth atm between the sun and Jupiter and it would explain all the phenomina we have been seeing between the sun and Jupiter or even our own planet with all the recent activity.
This link shows the asteroids in belt forms and one can see that Jupiter is in direct path of that second belt:
File:InnerSolarSystem-en.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[rick123]

"it seems to me that you dont know in what to believe in the middle of so much good and wrong information!"

Your assumption is wrong I do not require nor am I looking for a belief!
JUJU can you post some credible links to this galactic alignment/center. All I can find is a bunch of crackpot websites. Please share your wisdom.
Mayan predictions are interpretation not fact by any stretch.

[thedude]

"it seems to me that you dont know in what to believe in the middle of so much good and wrong information!"

Your assumption is wrong I do not require nor am I looking for a belief!
JUJU can you post some credible links to this galactic alignment/center. All I can find is a bunch of crackpot websites. Please share your wisdom.
Mayan predictions are interpretation not fact by any stretch.

Here's a good video that shows how our procession and regression of our solar system through the galactic equinox coincides with the with the presumed 2012 event and the movement into a new age.
LHCATLANTIS 2008 Galactic Alignment 2012 APROVED - EnergeticTube.com -  Where technology goes LIVE!

Once again i have to assert that it is pretty theoretical, but that doesn't mean that it is wrong.

[Bob Smith]

Great discussion. There seems to be a loose consensus among many that events on Jupiter are related to what may be going on in the rest of our solar system. Robert W. Felix has an excellent book called "Evolutionary Leaps and Magnetic Reversals," in which he sees a recognizable pattern of ice ages at roughly 12,000 year intervals. These ice ages seem to be at the half way point of solar cycles which involve shifting of magnetic poles on the earth, tearing open of the magnetosphere and an influx of solar radiation killing a lot of life and mutating what survives. It's fascinating reading, well-documented. He's looking at current weather patterns, saying their changes at a global level are a sign of the coming polar shift (which is already occurring as magnetic north moves 60 Km per year toward Siberia). Here's his site, which has a link to the book:
Ice Age Now
Boguslaw, neat theory - maybe our sun's activity and cycles are an effect of something much more energetically vast than the confines of our solar system.

Dude - bummer about the rain in MB - anyone in Canada knows Winterpeg is the mosquito capital of the northern hemisphere ) Hope she dries up quickly.
Bob

[amigo]

I've recently watched this interview and found it to be very insightful, to say the least. There's no-nonsense in this one, as LaViollete appears to a down to Earth kinda guy. Thus no New Age mindfuc-k, but pure science based on research and factual data.

Project Camelot | Dr Paul LaViolette

He talks about stuff mentioned in this thread by the way...

[Harvey]

2012 lives on

But . . .
Will Earth pass through galactic plane on December 21, 2012?

And:
YouTube - 2012 debunked (1 of 2)

Part 2:
YouTube - 2012 debunked (2 of 2)


I spent some time a few years ago to see if the planets would align as everyone kept claiming they would in 2012. Nope. I couldn't even get them all within 30° of each other over a 30,000 year period on either side of the sun in a straight line, let alone all on the same side. Not to mention they 'ride' a little differently in the elliptic plane as well, so even if they were all lined up on one side in a line - they would still be staggered up and down by various degrees. Then, the gravitational calculations made things humorous as the planetary influence on another planet is far less that that of the orbiting moons. So after a couple days of writing my own program to cycle the orbits and look for something 'close', and verifying that with my Starry Night program that came with my Telescope, I realized that it is all just hype. No Earth Crust displacement etc. etc.

Galactic Equinox
Gravity different in Galactic Plane because of spinning black hole Maybe because their is more matter in that plane, yes, but spinning makes more gravity in that disc? No. If spinning at relativistic speeds results in increased mass and thus gravity, then it will be increased everywhere in all directions - above and below the plane. So, imagine we were on top of the galaxy, spinning in place with the black hole underneath, then there would be no centrifugal force to push us away from the black hole and we would be sucked in - so that's why the Galaxies are flat . So the gravity would seem stronger there, than on the sides for that reason. So, logically then, if our distance from the galactic center remains the same, being aligned with the plane would have have less gravitational impact than being orthogonal. Of course that reduction is probably far less than what our moon imposes on the tides. Besides, all that extra mass in the plane would probably make it all net to zero

Well - that's the rest of the story.

[thedude]

Galactic Equinox
Gravity different in Galactic Plane because of spinning black hole Maybe because their is more matter in that plane, yes, but spinning makes more gravity in that disc? No. If spinning at relativistic speeds results in increased mass and thus gravity, then it will be increased everywhere in all directions - above and below the plane.

Its not really gravity that we are discussing, its polarity and energy. It really depends on whether or not you believe in an energetic universe.

Does the universe have comets whose tails are made of melting ice or plasma? I believe that if we were to propose that we truly are moving through the galactic plane or equinox then we would have to consider other forces aside from gravity alone to really understand the phenomenon and its ramifications. I would propose that there is an inductive field as well as a gravitational field with in the plane and that velocities within the singularity at our galaxies centre are so extreme as to confine them to a relatively fine layer at its mid point. Now, are we really travelling with our solar system across the galactic plane. Still not sure on that one. Pretty conflicting information out there. read here - Did the solar system ‘bounce’ finish the dinosaurs? (they describe a "bounce" through the galactic plane that we are "close" to).

Personally I believe we live in a very energetic universe, capable of resonance and energy at a distance via inductive forces we have yet to understand. I hope we will understand in time.