Garry Stanley Pulse Motor

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I decided to make the coils as thick as the center stator plate and mount them inside the plate so they are flush, this way I'll get the rotor magnets much closer together and should in my view be able to get the same flux aiding effect if it should manifest and much greater torque. Here is a pic of the setup so far. Will be boring stator holes tomorrow and cutting out rotors.
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5...anleytype1.jpg
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Tyson

[Ted Ewert]

Hi Ted, thanks for reply. It's the dual rotor magnets facing each other in attraction that does the trick. As Garry pointed out, the field is compressed there, so no deflection occurs and the flux is dense that way. Believe me Ted, I tried using cores with my old motor and it ran worse and drew more current as a result, so i went back to air core and it flew and used less current doing so and if i grabbed the shaft it burned my hand in short time. Maybe using ferromagnetic cores might be ok if used in something like the Kawai motor, but in a typical motor it seems to detract. I would recommend building a small pulse motor like Garry's design with the dual rotors and thin air-cores and see for yourself, what is what. I'll post a pic later of my progress on my motor. I have the structure almost done, working on winding the thin coils.
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Tyson

Nice work so far on your motor.
I'll take your word on the torque. After all, you built one and tested it and I'm just talking out of my ass.
This air core concept is intriguing. I'd like to do some experiments when I get some time.

Ted

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Ted, thanks for compliments. Also I should add that if none of the flux aiding ideas pan out, then this motor still has no deflection due to compressed magnet field and is using both poles of the coil directly off the face, no coil plastic bobbins or anything, so the magnets can get nice and close to the coils.
I bored the stator holes today and cut out the rotors with my router, will post pic later of progress, have 4 more coils to wind.
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Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, here is a pic showing the progress of the motor. Stator holes are bored and an air-core coil is shown next to one of the rotors that has yet to have holes for magnets drilled.
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5...anleytype2.jpg
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Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I thought this other quote from Garry Stanley makes it much clearer as to some of his thoughts about his pulse motor.

I try to avoid metal of any sort in my motors so I haven't tried much, when I
did try cores in this, there was not enough power from the coils to move the
rotor away from the pull of the magnets to the cores. The non Lenz part of this is non induction which means there isn't a pre-existing counter voltage when the power is turned on for the pulse and this means only the instant induction is there to flow against the input pulse, the anti Lenz part of it is that the thin coils mean the magnets are in a proximity to each other that allows them to pull together, this moves the centre of the flux of each magnet in, through the coil and reduces external flux fields on the
outside of the rotor, effectively causing compression around the coil without having induced a counter force in the coil.
At the moment of applied power the grip between the magnets is interrupted by the coils and this causes the flux to move away from between the coils, back to its natural state in each magnet, this appears to the coil the same as if the magnet was actually moving away from it not toward it and so for a brief instant the coil creates power in the same direction as the input power and adds to the input rather than subtracts from it as a normal motor would do. This is the anti Lenz part of the cycle not the removal of induced current that everyone has understood and renamed non Lenz.
Simple science, action / reaction, once you understand how the components
function its easy enough to see where the extra power comes from.

Garry Stanley

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Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, and this was a reply to Garry that I think is useful information.

Hi Garry,
You have a very interesting idea for drawing the flux of a magnet in a certain
direction. I will attempt to replicate. I am thinking the power level input to
the coils might need to be fine tuned in order to match the power level of the
magnets used. Use too much power and some is wasted. Use too little and the flux is not all pulled in. Also pulse duration may play a role. Very good work indeed!
Best regards,

Jim

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Tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, this is a quote from a guy that replicated Garry's motor and used a scope to view the pulse waveform and is self explanatory.

Hi Stefan, George and all,
1 day ago I would have agreed with both of you totally.
Now I say, Build a motor, parallel the voltages, look
at what happens across the coil when you pulse it.
THE VOLTAGE ADDS TO THE POWER SUPPLY! It does NOT buck the supply ever! Damnedest thing I have ever seen. There is NO LENZ. Power
supply at ZERO, pure spin down, no drag even when pulsing the coils
into the supply still on but at zero volts. Yah, I know, short the
leads and it probably will spin down faster but then it is operating
in the PURE generator mode and not the MOTOR mode. Totally different
when in the motor mode as voltages are Additive. I have built lots of
pulse motors and this is NOT what I expected or theorized. The little
sucker will run on somewhere between 0.1 and 0.2 VDC on the coils! On 1.5 VDC, it runs several hundred RPM. I have to glue the magnets down before I can really rev it up as they are just held to the wheel with their own magnetic field. Got a little bug in the trigger circuitry,(double pulse) got to rewind the trigger coil, but it still runs like a champ.
Those coils are 100T #24, 1.5" X 1/4" ring air wound coils. The coils on the left and right are the motor coils. The coil on the back is the "sense/trigger" coil. It triggers both pairs of coils through a power fet via a op-amp. So you get a power pulse each 90 degrees. The voltage generated ADDS to the power supply voltage, that is NOT what I theorized or expected but you can see the anti-lentz voltage riding on TOP of the power supply voltage if you put a scope right across the coil. This thing is crude to the point of tears.
The coils are 1/8" from the 1.5" N38 Neo magnets as I didn't want to mess around with a magnet knocking a coil down if it flew off the wheel as the magnets are just held on by their own fields! Do not try to theorize this motor, you have to build it to understand it. And I will say I probably had 50-60 pages of doodles and theories and magnetic field drawings and schematics that all said it did not work before I built it. I finally built it out of sheer exasperation because Garry was so darn sure it worked the way it did and I .....wanted to prove him wrong....sort of my nature. My next version will be a heck of a lot prettier and a heck of a lot closer in tolerances. I am not going to do a web page about this as it is not my motor or my idea, I'll leave that to Gary. It all boils down now, if you don't believe it will work, you
probably won't build one. If you don't believe it will work and build one, you won't believe what your instruments are telling you and if you do believe it will work and build one you will look at your scope, etc and say "Holy @#@#$@#$" What am I missing here. Good luck Gary.
I'm about done posting about this, it works, there is a lot of things
more that can be done, Garry, its your baby, run with it.

Ben K4ZEP

Making good progress on my motor. Bored rotor magnet holes and I am mounting coils in stator plate. Will post pic later today. Anyone have any thoughts about these quotes I've posted. It makes me think a solid state air-core with 2 large neo magnets at each end in attraction and pulsing in an attraction manner, since this forward emf aiding idea has been experimentally proven it would seem, might yield for starters a much more energetic collapsing field due to the neo magnets aiding our input. Let me hear your thoughts.
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Tyson

[Shamus]

Hi Tyson,

I've been watching this thread with interest and it's interesting to see the post from Ben there and his amazement at how it works. Unfortunately for myself, I won't be able to do anything with this for a while as my lab work has been put on hiatus for next year or so. But I'm definitely looking forward to seeing your results.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Shamus, thanks for your reply. Yes, Bens results sure sound interesting. Here is a pic of the progress of my motor.
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/4...nleytype3y.jpg
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Tyson
edit: any ideas why my pics are not showing up, thanks.

[gyula]

Hi Tyson,

It is very good you started Garry's pulse motor, hopefully now you will be in a position to be able to perform Prony brake measurements to evaulate COP.
If not, maybe you could drive a generator of known efficiency with the pulse motor and see the results. Somehow you surely want to evaluate COP, don't you. ( Prony brake - Heretical Builders )

Could you tell what is the distance (the gap) between any two facing rotor magnets? Also, will you have two air core coils positioned next to each other or only one as Ben had?

Garry had 12 magnet pairs, you have 6, why did you choose 6 pairs? I think the more magnets and coils are involved, the higher the torque will be. He had about 10mm gap between any two facing rotor magnets and the two flat coils were sandwiched in between. His coils were 1mH flat air core coils, about 4mm thickness each, about 4 Ohm DC resistance for each.

Thanks, Gyula

[SkyWatcher]

Hi gyula, thanks for reply. I am using 1 coil in between magnets, for 6 total. The stator plate is 3/8" thick so distance between rotor magnets will be a little more than 3/8". Garry switched to using 6 magnets per rotor and 6 coil pairs, he just never removed the unused ones. I built it this size due to lack of materials. A prony brake test would be good to test COP, though in reality I enjoy building these things and it is not priority, I have not seen one prony brake test in all the thousands of posts at Peter's attraction motor thread, so it seems nobody cares anyway.
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Tyson

[garrys]

hi

Hi guys, Gyula dropped me a line and told me about this forum so if you have questions ill do my best to answer them.

Garry

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Garry, thanks for stopping in, are you Garry Stanley. What do you think of my build so far and will it work the same with the single coils, meaning will it possibly manifest the forward emf aiding effect. If you are G. Stanley, how has your experiments been going, whats new.
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Tyson

[Turion]

Help!

I have been trying to find any place that has accurate information on this project. Like....kind of magnets, size. Dimensions on coils and kinds of wire. From the pictures it is kind of hard to see exactly how it is put together. I would certainly like to replicate this, and will, but the more information I have, the more accurate the replication will be.

Garry, do you still have a web site that gives that info? Frm what I have read there was also a yahoo group building replications. Is the info there? Point me in any direction except off a cliff and I will go!

[SkyWatcher]

Hi Turion, I posted a cad pic that shows how Garry built his motor, though I'm not certain 2 coils back to back is mandatory. What i think based on what Garry said and others is that it's the dual rotor with unlike magnets attracting and stretching there fields through an air core and when pulsed the magnets flux field moves briefly in a direction away from coil creating an aiding emf and other possible beneficial effects, including using both poles of coil. Other posts here show coil parameters he used.
I am reinforcing my coils with superglue in the stator plate right now, so they stay rigid and putting neo magnets in rotors.
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Tyson