what do you think of ORBO? everybody is free to talk here...

[Cloxxki]

I think your treating ju ju as if he's a crazy kid spamming the internet is not doin him justice. So, he doesn't join in on the Steorn lemming gang.

So what if current drops? Perhaps it was high to begin with.
Can Orbo be used to re-route say, half the power from an electric car's batteries, to nett more output? Then it's big.

I am SO unimpressed by frictionless rotors spinning at constant rpm at what seems to be "low" power input. What good is that?

Is the additional output power "real" power, without "buts"? Then we can loop the system, and loop it until we get megawatt from a coin sized battery.

"it's not that simple" the Steorn fans will say. So, what CAN Orbo do for us, then?

I hope indeed Orbo adds some efficiency to electrical appliances never before used, but won't put my hopes up too much. So many years, such unwhelming proof...

[juju]

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i will make a video of my setups soon, has i have made of the KAPAGEN, SEC, EB! small setups, nothing to do with your great projects!

you have clearly understand what i have sayd with incorrect English... the fact is that you prefer to point the finger, instead of point it to yourself!

you dont have to hold nothing that i sayd, have i asked you that? as i sayd, we are all free beings! and im free to tell what i think, whether you like it or not!

if it does not fit in your head, please dont force it! its all a natural process! ignore me please!

Id love to see some of your work. Got any videos or pictures?

"the motor did slow down when he aproached the generator coil in the demo at the waterways" tells me nothing...it doesnt even make sense really. Or perhaps I should say that your sentence structure makes it seem as if the motor slowed down BECAUSE Sean walked CLOSER to the generator coil.

Im not here to comment on the validity of his claims, because I havent built or tested one thoroughly. And quite frankly, unless you have yourself, Im not inclined to hold anything you have to say about it in high regard. And Im not even a fan of ORBO that much. But I reserve my judgement until I see solid test data proving the concepts.


Everything else is just dribble.

Regards

PS If everything you said in BOLD above is TRUTH, then one part of it speaks volumes to me "that does not fit in my head!"

[ren]

Oh wait......

So it is ok to make a scientific observation and then keep that secret and charge a licensing fee for making that observation. What kind of crap is that? If it is a free energy device and you want it to spread faster then anyone could stifle it then why not just post it on any forum on the net? But no they are charging and putting everyone under NDA meaning keep it secret from anyone that doesn't license it from them. Thats like discovering combustion then charging for anyone to use combustion after that discovery. Thats f'd up....

This was touted as a scientific discovery but it seems that they are holding us hostage to even be able to test it without paying them for the the replication. This stinks like a scam like no other.

Here is another analogy. That would be like discovering gold then charging a fee to use that in anything. If it is based off a scientific discovery then that discovery should have been revealed for anyone to test for themselves..

Therein lies the true heart of the problem. If you believe your idea truely belongs to you alone and that you should profit from it, solely from the idea itself, you place yourself upon a pedalstool above your fellow man. IMO ALL the injustice in this world is based upon this one simple action.

Regards
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[juju]

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the difference between us and them, is that we do not have to pat on the back of some friends, to please them!

we just question the things as we see them!

i dont really feel threated that way, 'crazy kid spamming the internet', and if they think that, thats ok to me to!

nicolau copernico was considered crazy in some time of his life, just like, galileu, einstein, charles darwin, oslo, ghundi, nicola tesla...

has he sayd, the present is them, but the future is mine!

or as steorn likes to say "all great truth's, begin as blasphemies"

I think your treating ju ju as if he's a crazy kid spamming the internet is not doin him justice. So, he doesn't join in on the Steorn lemming gang.

[teslaproject]

Woof

In it's present format the Steorn Orbo/whatever is a dog and you can't do anything useful with it except prove a concept (and I'm not sure they have even successfully done that).

I have said it before and I will say it again...you really don't have to be a rocket scientist to work this situation out. If you or your company had anything REALLY tangible that could drive a workload with proven OU, would you license it "for further development"? Hell no! What needs to be developed? You have a prototype, now go and market it yourself and make millions from it.

At the very least Steorn have hit a roadblock and don't know which way to go (which is why they go for the easy money route...and book selling, PLEASE!!) or the worst case scenario is that it is an outright fraud and they know it. I don't think it is the latter.

From my own experiments, the technology shows a principle in magnetics that if tweaked correctly could yield results. This licensing thing though is probably a lazy approach of allowing them to continue living the caviar lifestyle they have become accustomed to without putting in anymore work. It's like Searle....yes I do believe in antigravity but something stinks there also. IF he supposedly had a flying disk/craft from DECADES ago, this means that the blueprint was good and worked (if the story true). However, why after decades is he still bumbling along and squirrelling funds from every opportunity for some crackpot magnetic engine. Just finish it already or stop bulldusting people!

That's all.

TP

[juju]

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will you reply ren? now that you have the support of your lackey?

mark, i am much stronger that everything you can say to offend me!

that does not affect me at all, because im aware of my real value! in fact if you were a conscious being, you would know that attitudes like yours (farra day, etc) just give me more strength to continue my way!

Hey Ren hows it going!

Don't waste your breath I've tried to get through to him but he's 4 beers short of a 6 pack. Check out his KANAPADZ replication you'll get a good laugh.

[ashtweth]

This thread is not a waste of time, it keeps all the OPINIONS (As opposed to real investigation) out of the real thread .

Ash

[shawn]

Don't let the purists get you down juju.
They can't help being that way......well they could, but it goes against the grain, so they don't.
It is important to be enthusiastic about these kinds of things.
Practical as well.


There are lots of good projects which are languishing for lack of money which I have seen.
But it is difficult to get it for those who are the researchers and inventors as their heads aren't in the money game, they are on a much higher plane.

Posted by shawn :License fees.......... ....come-on. that is for money mongers and control freaks.
True free-energy people will stand for none of that.

Its exactly the inverse, to make a OU device ready to market you need money and ALOT of money to make it approved and again ALOT of money to pay the real research and able to have the equipment needed.When you spend 10 year of your life on something, you want it in the market so everybody will be able to buy it and in same time you make money to pay all the WORK you have done.Real thing never come free.
Best Regards,
EgmQC

I agree that it takes money to develop an idea, but the very basis of the free energy idea completely undermines all capitalism as if you have free power (or relatively cheap and not controlled by anyone but you) then you have liberty to do very many things which make the world a much better place.
People need to get their heads out of the money paradigm as that has caused a lot of harm and problems.
The inventor who does the proof of concept and then releases it to the world in ways that keep it from getting captured by the big cartels or opportunists will also have a huge edge in developing something from this which provides them with things of value (which don't have to be all money).

[shawn]

This thread is not a waste of time, it keeps all the OPINIONS (As opposed to real investigation) out of the real thread .

Ash

I don't know enough to post in your thread, and am reading it as it develops to see if you really do have a tiger by the tail.
Sure hope so.

[Mark]

I don't know enough to post in your thread, and am reading it as it develops to see if you really do have a tiger by the tail.
Sure hope so.

I wish some others were as wise as you.

[juju]

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ash, the thread you are talking about, is full of real investigation till now! instead is full of "oh yeah orbo will be great, cant wait.." 2 weeks will be ready, oops now its one more month, its not our delay", so it is similar to this one.. its all just assumptions!

the only difference is that in yours, nobody can question orbo!

this is not to provoke you, its the truth! i have allready sayd that i have great respect for you and your work!

This thread is not a waste of time, it keeps all the OPINIONS (As opposed to real investigation) out of the real thread .

Ash

[juju]

truth

i know i know.. when it comes to the truth, its time to put the tail between the legs and run away!

I wish some others were as wise as you.

[sucahyo]

So what if current drops? Perhaps it was high to begin with.

I am not familiar with how Steorn produce thing. But if it is about motor that reduce current with load, yes, It is not a big deal. Dr Peter Lindemann said in my thread that current drop on attempt to halt the motor (adding load) do not proof that the motor do not generate BEMF:

Your circuit may change the APPEARANCE of the motors responses, by limiting the current at start-up speeds, but it cannot overcome the physical construction of the motor and the fundamental geometry and principle of direct induction upon which it is based.

So, we can actually make a motor to behave like no BEMF motor, but actually still produce BEMF.

I guess Steorn use one of this cheating circuit . They may have no right to call their motor as no BEMF motor unless more proof is shown.

If the current drop when we add load. So what? Anyone can do it too using the same trick that I do.

It once fool me . Thank for Dr Peter Lindemann to show the truth .

However, its a good thing to use this cheating circuit for a toy. Battery last longer, and the gear would not break if the kid try to stop them forcefully. It stop running when hitting something which would prevent our kid running around chasing them .

[Jbignes5]

Ummm...

Quote:
Originally Posted by juju
you are only alowed to talk if you believe and like orbo, if you question it, then, this is not place for you to post!

Originally Posted by Ash
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Nope, congratulations for being on moderation this thread is for investigation for the open source community not your doubts of the technology that's for your own thread.

Ash :End Quote:

In any good investigation one would need the basic theory behind that and to tell you the truth Ash the way they are handling it is borderline scam. How could one investigate unless they paid them for the access. If you do get it all together and running the under their NDA you can not talk about the process so how is that open source capable?

They only want the ones who buy the access to engineer the rest of the device because they hit a wall with the traditional engineers that were working on it. To boot they get a cut of anything that is made from the original discovery. You watch Ash it will happen and that NDA will bite you in the Ash...

With that NDA you will never be able to open source the device or anything related and thats what a signed NDA is for, accepted control! Thats why they haven't released what scientific discovery that led them to their device.

Now when I investigate any scientific discovery or a device I think from both angles. Why does it work and why it doesn't work. It's a natural process and not letting the detractors have the opposite side invalidates the attempt much like the NDA is gonna do.

Push people out of your thread and thats fine but don't come to his own thread and try to push him out of that as well. You wanna sit there and talk up the Orbo that fine but when it comes time to discuss it anything that doesn't agree with your pumped up views you throw them out of your thread as a trouble maker. You don't have the device as well and you don't have it working as stated yet do you? So how do you know it even works as said? You don't know and all you could say was look it will be here soon and we are putting it together now. There is no investigation because you are not gonna be able to talk about it at all remember the NDA will keep that quiet.....

Do you have a copy of the NDA for us please to read?

[scratchrobot]

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Push people out of your thread and thats fine but don't come to his own thread and try to push him out of that as well. You wanna sit there and talk up the Orbo that fine but when it comes time to discuss it anything that doesn't agree with your pumped up views you throw them out of your thread as a trouble maker.

I agree, why don't you stay in your own thread

scratchrobot