Kapagen Systems - 12v Input Only

[Armagdn03]

Did people forget how to respectfully disagree???

It always astounds me how childish grown adults can be.

Lets all try to act with a bit more class. It goes along way towards establishing
credibility and creating a safe environment where people can share.

[vidbid]

Acting With More Class

Did people forget how to respectfully disagree???

It always astounds me how childish grown adults can be.

Lets all try to act with a bit more class. It goes along way towards establishing
credibility and creating a safe environment where people can share.

Agreed.

[citfta]

Off topic posts

Since it appears this thread is never going to be about the subject of it's title I guess I'll throw my 2 cents in. In my opinion vidbid has gone way overboard in trying to convince everyone else they are not qualified to work with high voltage. As for you guys that think 12 volts is "SAFE" you are only showing what vidbid has been saying. That is you don't know what you are talking about. Almost any 12 volt battery will melt your ring right off your finger unless the battery is completely dead. Of course it will take some of your finger with it. And after using a NST or inverter to convert the 12 volts into something more useful the higher voltage does have the ability to kill you. It only takes a few milliamps of current passing through your heart to stop it dead. You should really study up on a subject before you make statements based on your own ideas.

Now could we please get back to the subject of this thread.


citfta

[vidbid]

On Topic

There are three points I wish to make with respect to this quote.

Since it appears this thread is never going to be about the subject of it's title I guess I'll throw my 2 cents in. In my opinion vidbid has gone way overboard in trying to convince everyone else they are not qualified to work with high voltage. As for you guys that think 12 volts is "SAFE" you are only showing what vidbid has been saying. That is you don't know what you are talking about. Almost any 12 volt battery will melt your ring right off your finger unless the battery is completely dead. Of course it will take some of your finger with it. And after using a NST or inverter to convert the 12 volts into something more useful the higher voltage does have the ability to kill you. It only takes a few milliamps of current passing through your heart to stop it dead. You should really study up on a subject before you make statements based on your own ideas.

Now could we please get back to the subject of this thread.

citfta

(1.) As to this portion of your quote:

vidbid has gone way overboard in trying to convince everyone else they are not qualified to work with high voltage.

DENIED. ASSUMES FACT NOT IN EVIDENCE.

Given the subject of this topic, my statement with respect to high voltage and/or current electricity are completely warranted and supported regarding safety and caution.

(2.) As to this portion of your quote:

Almost any 12 volt battery will melt your ring right off your finger unless the battery is completely dead. Of course it will take some of your finger with it. And after using a NST or inverter to convert the 12 volts into something more useful the higher voltage does have the ability to kill you. It only takes a few milliamps of current passing through your heart to stop it dead.

Agreed.

(3.) As to this portion of your quote:

Now could we please get back to the subject of this thread.

FACT: I never left topic and was already on topic with my post when I was personally attacked in this post and had to defend myself in the post and in this post to make my point clear that what I was in opposition to was reckless misinformation.

[vidbid]

For the Record.

Well done for finding that!

Did you find it on this link which i have already posted in the main kapagen thread (before i was asked to leave by a somewhat unfriendly poster)...??

POST 67.

low wattage input - this is real simple to do if you (like me) consider playing with a deadly MOT too risky (hey...i have kids running round the place. if i was still young and sinlge, maybe id be throwing my hands on the output wire )

I used...12 V battery, connected to 25 kv power supply...then rest as is already published on naudins site.

Heres a great circuit for building a HV power supply off a 12V battery + flyback tranformer + transistor

Transistor Driven High Voltage Flyback Transformer Page.

and here is our old pal yucca demonstrating it

YouTube - Flyback Transformer Driver

You could use this circuit as your HV through the spark gap...then onto coil. I'd very very surprised if you couldnt light 20 CFLs of that sucker...big ones too...who knows...maybe a filament.

Who wants to have a go?

PS alternatively you could just wire up the electrodes from your open TV (rubber sucker and line round the edge of the screen) into the kapagen (lifter style!). But i wont be responsible for any of the consequences - you get yourselves stuck in a wormhole or something, and you're on your own.


I suggest anyone who wants to build a transistor driven flyback check this link as it has a list of transistors that work and dont work for this circuit.

Any more deaths to add to this dangerous 12V input thread?

Ive got an idea, why not spam the MOT kapagen replication thread with electrocutions.......would make more sense than spamming a thread where people are using a harmless input

I believe that this type of post is absolutely reckless, unwarranted, and unsupported; it should be completely disregarded.

[patmac]

If the Kapagen & Kapanadze is so dangerous then everybody should be put theirs Microwave, CRT TV's and others on the trash. And Hey!!! Carefull with your Car can explode use Gasoline.

[TanTric]

i agree...

FEAR is the worst feelling that exists!

i believe that all the experimenters are very aware and almost all take the standard procedures and get well informed before they advanture with something!

when the feelling that guide us, is love for experimenting, for discovering... we are protected with a bubble of good energy!

this kind of game is only for brave people! stop yelling the FEAR arround!

courage and hope is what guide us, LETS PLAY!

[vidbid]

Throwing Caution To The Wind

If the Kapagen & Kapanadze is so dangerous then everybody should be put theirs Microwave, CRT TV's and others on the trash. And Hey!!! Carefull with your Car can explode use Gasoline.

Not everyone can be the Electric Man.

[vidbid]

Respect

I have a few things to address with respect to your post.

FEAR is the worst feelling that exists!

i believe that all the experimenters are very aware and almost all take the standard procedures and get well informed before they advanture with something!

when the feelling that guide us, is love for experimenting, for discovering... we are protected with a bubble of good energy!

this kind of game is only for brave people! stop yelling the FEAR arround!

courage and hope is what guide us, LETS PLAY!

FEAR is the worst feelling that exists!

It is said that even angels fear to tread where fools rush in, but in this context, I believe what is meant here is respect, i.e., having respect for something that can kill you, e.g., high voltage and/or high current electricity, so in that respect, respect can save your life.

Respect is a better feeling.

i believe that all the experimenters are very aware and almost all take the standard procedures and get well informed before they advanture with something!

I believe in the law of averages, i.e., a belief that a rare occurrence will happen given enough time if there is any possible likelihood of it occuring, e.g., the likelihood that there will be, at least, one, or two, or a few experimenters that are reckless out of the majority of all the other experimenters experimenting with high voltage and/or high current electricity in a safe and cautious manner.

when the feelling that guide us, is love for experimenting, for discovering... we are protected with a bubble of good energy!

I am all for love and good feelings; however, I believe that each person is protected according to his own level of respect, the amount of caution exercised, knowledge of the dangers and pitfalls, and his actions to avoid such, in the course of his work.

Personally, I do not believe that there is some New Age magical bubble of energy protecting any of us.

stop yelling the FEAR arround!

I have never advocated fear and do not engage in yelling; however, I do advocate safety and caution, and I advocate respect for this subject.

[seth]

I'll be starting a builders only thread - its not cos i dont like theorists. I love a good theorist. But im tired of being spoken to like im in play school - and its only non builders who speak to me like this.

Good luck everyone with your kapanadzes!!!

PS please Vidbid - you made this thread for me. the next one i make will be for me and others. Be so polite as to leave us alone....i dont interfere with any of the other kapa threads since you told me to go away. well, do the right thing and leave me in peace....dont join us....i want brave people, not afraid of death, and not willing to destroy the thread with warnings that would suit a more deadly thread.

[vidbid]

For the Record

I have a few points to address in your post:

I'll be starting a builders only thread - its not cos i dont like theorists. I love a good theorist. But im tired of being spoken to like im in play school - and its only non builders who speak to me like this.

Good luck everyone with your kapanadzes!!!

PS please Vidbid - you made this thread for me. the next one i make will be for me and others. Be so polite as to leave us alone....i dont interfere with any of the other kapa threads since you told me to go away. well, do the right thing and leave me in peace....dont join us....i want brave people, not afraid of death, and not willing to destroy the thread with warnings that would suit a more deadly thread.

But im tired of being spoken to like im in play school

DENIED. INFERENCE. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE

Every comment issued by me was well deserved by you.

only non builders who speak to me like this.

DENIED. INFERENCE. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

you made this thread for me

DENIED. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

Clarification: This thread is for discussion on the Kapagen with low voltage input.

the next one i make will be for me and others.

DENIED.

You can't own a thread even if you start it.

You can't claim a thread as your own or anybody else's.

In researching this forum's policies, there are no private threads.

You can claim that you started a thread, and what your intentions were for starting that thread, but that is it.

As I recall, your post, i.e., Post #2, in this thread was disrespectful to me.

I think you owe me an apology for that, but I won't hold my breath.

Be so polite as to leave us alone....

DENIED.

The first chance I get, I will post there.

I will be there, monitoring you, and ready to make additional posts at a moment's notice should I see that the situation calls for it.

i dont interfere with any of the other kapa threads since you told me to go away.

DENIED. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

I never told you to leave; it was your choice. I said, "My response to you is I think it is a dangerous idea to mix 220V and 12V systems here in this thread. I am of the opinion that if somebody wants to discuss 12V Kapagen systems, they should go to this thread for 12V Kapagen Systems and discuss them there."

That didn't mean you had to leave. It was a request that you limit discussion to the Kagagen high voltage input systems.

I didn't not start this thread specifically for you. If that had been the case, I would have entitled it "Seth's Thread".

I started this thread for discussion on the Kapagen with low voltage input.

do the right thing

DENIED. INFERENCE. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

Doing the right thing: As far as I am concerned, if you wanted to do the right thing, you would have already done the right thing.

The right thing would have been not to disrespect me.

leave me in peace

DENIED. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

I'm not leaving. That's what you do. And as for peace, that is an internal issue. You either have it, or you don't, and I suspect you never had any peace.

Stay and defend yourself. In so doing, you may obtain peace within yourself.

dont join us

DENIED. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

There are no private threads. There are no thread owners. There are only members.

You can't own any threads, but even if you could, I would still be there and ready to defend myself.

i want brave people

DENIED. INFERENCE. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

If you were brave, you would stay here, fight, and stand up for your rights. You're running away. How brave is that?

Stay and defend yourself.

not afraid of death

DENIED. INFERENCE. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

It seems to me that you are afraid of death. Instead of acknowledging the danger and moving on, it seems to me that you want to pretend that the danger doesn't exist, and act as if there is no need to show due caution, and so you are willing to leave as you did before.

Stay and defend yourself.

not willing to destroy the thread with warnings

DENIED. INFERENCE. ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

This thread has not been destroyed. It's stronger than ever. It continues to strengthen day by day whether or not you choose to leave or stay.

with warnings that would suit a more deadly thread.

DENIED.

I issued one warning and disclaimer in the first post which you disrespected and kept disrespecting.

When disrespected, I would rather defend myself than back down. I believe in standing up for myself, and I believe in fighting for my rights.

There is not likely anything more deadly than high voltage and/or high current electricity.

Exceptions: Ordnance, nuclear, chemical & biological weapons.


Fight for what is right!

[TanTric]

...

okey you win...

and so, how about your setup, is doing great?

[vidbid]

TanTric

okey you win...

and so, how about your setup, is doing great?

Did you ever read my post in my kapanadz replication?

[patmac]

@vidbid

Thanks for the reply.... My philosophy is everybody who is alive must to be die someday... It's better to risk than to be a looser.

My recommendation: do not loose the fear to electricity and you'll be safe. the Fear makes you take carefull. Kapagen can be dangerous is true but is easy make it safe

Today I bought the M.O.T on the electrics shop on internet next week will be here to make my replication is interesting make the rep here where I'm living, because I'm 1400 meters over the sea in montains here the land is highly wet. Last week I put a 2 meters copper on the yard and I hope put another on the garden on about 12 meters I'm not sure.

Thanks to yours and anothers researchers is making a excellent work... I have many ideas to improve the powerfull effect, meanwhile I'm working hard studying pulsed motors I've a prototype but this is for another threat.

[vidbid]

Patmac

@vidbid

Thanks for the reply.... My philosophy is everybody who is alive must to be die someday... It's better to risk than to be a looser.

My recommendation: do not loose the fear to electricity and you'll be safe. the Fear makes you take carefull. Kapagen can be dangerous is true but is easy make it safe

Today I bought the M.O.T on the electrics shop on internet next week will be here to make my replication is interesting make the rep here where I'm living, because I'm 1400 meters over the sea in montains here the land is highly wet. Last week I put a 2 meters copper on the yard and I hope put another on the garden on about 12 meters I'm not sure.

Thanks to yours and anothers researchers is making a excellent work... I have many ideas to improve the powerfull effect, meanwhile I'm working hard studying pulsed motors I've a prototype but this is for another threat.

You're welcome, Patmac. Good post.