F.M.Chalkalis gravity system a donation!

[Dingus]

Dingus:
One setup similar to Thornson´s device is the proposal of the Double pendulum Hammer.
I have a thread open:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...um-hammer.html
The pendulum takes advantage of the second pendulum to thrust it up and probably we will have some free energy from the hammer hit or from some shaking magnets battery charger installed in the triangle frame.
We need to use some kind of latch and locks controlled by infrared switch.
It is one idea that may work.
It belongs to the world, your opinion is important.
David

I really don't know what to say other than to try it. I don't have any materials or equipment to work with, so you're on your own. The only thing else I can suggest is possibly the inclusion of a centrifugal governor consisting of springs pushing the weights closer to the axle as the arms slow. That may or may not be a good idea.

[Matos de Matos]

I really don't know what to say other than to try it. I don't have any materials or equipment to work with, so you're on your own. The only thing else I can suggest is possibly the inclusion of a centrifugal governor consisting of springs pushing the weights closer to the axle as the arms slow. That may or may not be a good idea.

Thank you for your replay and for introducing to me the Thornson device.
I wasn’t aware of his proposal.
Eventually I will order and import the parts to build a prototype, but meanwhile all the mental exercise and opinions done by all the bright minds here are welcome and will assist me, not only on a better design but saving money purchasing the right parts for prototyping.
After I saw the highly thinking and commenting on the Chalkalis unbalanced and inefficient flywheel, I thought that interesting topics as the mimicking of the Swinging Gym, or the indirect load water pumping swing would have all kinds of inputs and corrections for a final prototyping or its abandon.
Thank you for your suggestions.
David

[elias]

Open letter to Mr Chalkalis...
Our discussion here has revealed a few serious problems which call into question your claims.
1. The most glaring is the most obvious: If your device actually gained energy, why is it not self rotating? Where does all that extra energy go when the power is removed? There can't be that much bearing friction and wind resistance to overcome.
2. You suggest that the power be taken off the main shaft. Why haven't you simply attached a cheap alternator to the shaft and measured it's output? You have a pulley right on the shaft! Use a 24 volt model and you could run your drive motor and measure how much extra you have left over.
3. Your math proves nothing. Do you know the difference between torque and horsepower? You calculate torque based on a no load situation, then compare it to input power. Apples and oranges my friend.
If you can't manage a generator, it's very simple to construct a Prony break which will give you a fairly accurate measurement of your actual power out.

After working on this concept for 28 years, it's hard to believe you built that whole device and didn't take some simple output power measurements. I see a pulley right on your main shaft for Pete's sake! Why are you withholding this information?
You immediately start whining about people pointing out legitimate errors in your statements, and asking perfectly reasonable questions (red flag). Yet, without answering anything you still want us to go to all the expense and trouble of building a replica just based on your opinion? I don't think so.
None of this adds up Chalkalis, and you know it. We are more than willing to extend the benefit of the doubt, and I think we have here, but we don't appreciate being played for fools.
What is your real reason for doing all of this?

Ted Ewert

Hi

Well said, I remember one of these claims that fooled us around was Mylow's Magnet Motor. Of course this is not meant to be a discouragement.

This device seems like a normal pendulum rotating, nothing more, I think that if Mr Chalkalis wants to get more acceptance, he must at least explain what inspired him to build such a device, and why he thought it will work, if he is not willing to demonstrate a closed loop device.

I am 100% sure that gravity is a main source of energy, but has Mr Chalkalis really unlocked the way to extract energy from gravity? I think not.

In my opinion, and according to the work of Victor Schuaberger, flowing water creating a vortex unlocks the energy of Gravity in a type of vortex structure.

Elias

[elias]

After finding that right after a few turns, the force required to complete the rotation is less and as speed increases it gets even lower and also that during the fall between 0 and 180 degrees, in my opinion, there is a surplus of energy,

Hi

There is a difference between force and energy, and power.
Power equals Force * Velocity
P = F.V

So if Mr Chalkalis needs to apply less force to complete the rotation as speed increases, it is because the velocity has increased and we need to apply less force to apply the same Power input to the system to keep it rotating. This doesn't mean that the system is extracting energy from gravity or anything else.
And also as Ted pointed out if the system is generating anything useful from gravity, it should run indefinitely.

Elias

[Zooty]

My 2 cents worth

I have been following this thread since it was created. I understand how many of you think that this can not work. You may be right but you may be wrong and until you actually build a replica, you will never find out. You may think you know what is going on in this device but remember you are basing your thoughts on conventional science and like i said, this may be correct and the unit does nothing but waste energy. If there was something special to it, do you think it would be in plain sight? Would many of us not have discovered this already? I myself am going to try and build a small scale replica even though i have my doubts.

[Matthew Jones]

I have been following this thread since it was created. I understand how many of you think that this can not work. You may be right but you may be wrong and until you actually build a replica, you will never find out. You may think you know what is going on in this device but remember you are basing your thoughts on conventional science and like i said, this may be correct and the unit does nothing but waste energy. If there was something special to it, do you think it would be in plain sight? Would many of us not have discovered this already? I myself am going to try and build a small scale replica even though i have my doubts.

That great. My delima is a replica of scale will cost some money. Primarly in the base. Concrete, which is the only means to hold that thing place, is expensive. Between the metal lumber and concrete a scale model will cost about $900.

I also am trying to get a smaller version built. But smaller does not often tell the whole story.

It would be a dream if it was that simple.

Matt

[Zooty]

A 1/10th scale may produce the same results and it would be much cheaper to build. Just divide most of the values by 10 and away you go. Yes, i understand it MAY not tell the whole story but somebody has to try this just so that it can be debunked.

[Ted Ewert]

I have been following this thread since it was created. I understand how many of you think that this can not work. You may be right but you may be wrong and until you actually build a replica, you will never find out. You may think you know what is going on in this device but remember you are basing your thoughts on conventional science and like i said, this may be correct and the unit does nothing but waste energy. If there was something special to it, do you think it would be in plain sight? Would many of us not have discovered this already? I myself am going to try and build a small scale replica even though i have my doubts.

The problem with this device is not whether it can work or not, but how it was presented. Chalkalis makes this big show about giving away to the world the result of his life's work. He makes a web page and a video attesting to his great invention. Naturally, we take him at his word and assume he's telling the truth. We then spend a lot of time and energy analyzing his device in hopes of discovering why it's so special. In the end we find that it is nothing more than a spinning pendulum.
Chalkalis never gave us one solid reason why he thought his device could multiply energy. He only gave us faulty math and convoluted reasoning along with his dog and pony show. We filled in the rest of the details with our imaginations.
If his device actually produced extra energy he would have told us right off the bat exactly how it worked. Instead he's been evasive when questioned and defensive about his motives.
At best Chalkalis is confused and mistaken, but more than likely he knows exactly what he's doing. Why do we allow ourselves to get sucked into crap like this?
This is a good drill in gullibility awareness. Don't believe it just because someone says so, demand proof. The truth will always stand up to rigorous scrutiny.

Cheers,

Ted

[elias]

A 1/10th scale may produce the same results and it would be much cheaper to build. Just divide most of the values by 10 and away you go. Yes, i understand it MAY not tell the whole story but somebody has to try this just so that it can be debunked.

I think that Mr Chalkalis should be more honest and tell us if he is not sure there is something new here.

Actually I had a device resembling a 3-4kg pendulum (approximately 1/10th the actual Chalkalis Pendulum), I gave it a spin. Yes Chalkalis is right, when it gains speed less force is needed to be added to it to keep it spinning. It is because as the pendulum gains speed the effect of gravity becomes less and less to it, and it seems that it spins easier. And of course applying the same force with more speed means more power. So obviously less force must be exerted to maintain the same power level.

Mr Chalkalis is yet to explain why a 60 degree angle between two masses on the pendulum? why a smaller mass at the outer edge, what is its purpose?
Unless I know these things, I will not waste my time on this spinning pendulum anymore, better devices are out there.

[Cloxxki]

The problem with this device is not whether it can work or not, but how it was presented. Chalkalis makes this big show about giving away to the world the result of his life's work. He makes a web page and a video attesting to his great invention. Naturally, we take him at his word and assume he's telling the truth. We then spend a lot of time and energy analyzing his device in hopes of discovering why it's so special. In the end we find that it is nothing more than a spinning pendulum.
Chalkalis never gave us one solid reason why he thought his device could multiply energy. He only gave us faulty math and convoluted reasoning along with his dog and pony show. We filled in the rest of the details with our imaginations.
If his device actually produced extra energy he would have told us right off the bat exactly how it worked. Instead he's been evasive when questioned and defensive about his motives.
At best Chalkalis is confused and mistaken, but more than likely he knows exactly what he's doing. Why do we allow ourselves to get sucked into crap like this?
This is a good drill in gullibility awareness. Don't believe it just because someone says so, demand proof. The truth will always stand up to rigorous scrutiny.

Cheers,

Ted

You're more outspoken that me in this case Ted, but I can't disagree with a word you say.
The build is of high quality IMO, yet the explanation could not have been worse, more mysterious, or more open to suggestion. How can such a skilled builder not explain a random stray dog why this device is OU?
Usually I believe in the good of man, especially if they're prepared to show their name and face. I hope Chalkalis soon steps forward with tangible input. Until then I'll find new reason to not take enough sleep. In my vision, this device just doesn't work.
At least the Abeling wheel had the claim of working asymmetrically and without a motor. Nice website, well spoken inventor with green future prospects, but not the good stuff.

[Dingus]

There is one aspect of the design I don't quite understand, and I assume the only reason it's in his design pictures is to stay as true to what he physically constructed as possible, but why were two weights & arms used as opposed to one?

[Cloxxki]

There is one aspect of the design I don't quite understand, and I assume the only reason it's in his design pictures is to stay as true to what he physically constructed as possible, but why were two weights & arms used as opposed to one?

If we'd find out a difference between the 3 (one on the rim) and just one central one, we'd have the equasion for OU. Big IF, is that there first needs to be a difference.

[sebosfato]

I would like that you check this: YouTube - ltseung888's Channel
What do you think about?

[sebosfato]

and this


(long time ago i had the idea to do something like this in the video)
YouTube - magnet motor FREE POWER PERENDEV NO GASOLINE


But you need to see this one!!!
YouTube - LEGO perpetual motion

[Cloxxki]

I would like that you check this: YouTube - ltseung888's Channel
What do you think about?

Others are smarter than I, but I tried to find info on how this is supposed to work, and never could find more than seemingly deceptive technical prova. WHERE does the gravitational energy energy the system, and what does it not hold it back on the way up, doesn't the system lose potential energy of the same magnitude?
I'm a practical and visionary type of guy. If someone manages to explain to me HOW a sytem works, I feel confident I can improve it, and scale it. Never seen OU so far, or been too stupid when I came across it, to understand.