F.M.Chalkalis gravity system a donation!

[sebosfato]

Hello,

i sleept on my thoughts and i finally understood what was this lego guy doing.

Is almost the same steorn did.

Steorn however used the optical switch to adjust manually the control pulse to activate the transistor to reverse the polarity of the coil. And they also have applied electricity to speed the motor up for allowing it to generate more energy (as energy will increase with RPM)
They used the concept of input 1 get out 2,5, while lego guy is inputing nothing and getting out little bit more than this.

I think that is possible than to make a steorn motor with only coils without the optical switch, we just need to adjust the coil very well for is voltage to be enough to open the transistor only after it passed the point of maximum velocity.

I will draw a new schematic and create a new thread ( Steorn Cracked Finally )


sorry for the off-topicsm, was too important this info!!!

regards

Forgot to say
losses will increase linearly with the rpm
energy generated will increase like this
1 rpm = 1 energy per coil you have § (lets supose you have 8 coils)
2 rpm = 16 energys
4 rpm = 32
8 rpm = 64

You see from 1 to 8 you increase the losses by 8, the energy you have increased 56

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[F.M.Chalkalis]

Open letter to Mr Chalkalis...
Our discussion here has revealed a few serious problems which call into question your claims.
1. The most glaring is the most obvious: If your device actually gained energy, why is it not self rotating? Where does all that extra energy go when the power is removed? There can't be that much bearing friction and wind resistance to overcome.
2. You suggest that the power be taken off the main shaft. Why haven't you simply attached a cheap alternator to the shaft and measured it's output? You have a pulley right on the shaft! Use a 24 volt model and you could run your drive motor and measure how much extra you have left over.
3. Your math proves nothing. Do you know the difference between torque and horsepower? You calculate torque based on a no load situation, then compare it to input power. Apples and oranges my friend.
If you can't manage a generator, it's very simple to construct a Prony break which will give you a fairly accurate measurement of your actual power out.

After working on this concept for 28 years, it's hard to believe you built that whole device and didn't take some simple output power measurements. I see a pulley right on your main shaft for Pete's sake! Why are you withholding this information?
You immediately start whining about people pointing out legitimate errors in your statements, and asking perfectly reasonable questions (red flag). Yet, without answering anything you still want us to go to all the expense and trouble of building a replica just based on your opinion? I don't think so.
None of this adds up Chalkalis, and you know it. We are more than willing to extend the benefit of the doubt, and I think we have here, but we don't appreciate being played for fools.
What is your real reason for doing all of this?

Ted Ewert

Greeting to all great minds of energetic forum.
Reply to Mr. Ted Ewert’s personal attack,
First I would like to remind you some of your own words from your posts:
#7 Congratulations to Mr Chalkalis for not only developing an elegantly simple device, but also for donating it to the world.
#27 I think this principal is a gem for the free energy community and is quite worthy of further study and replication.
#31 If it works for NASA, why shouldn't it work for us? Chalkalis is doing the exact same thing with his pendulum. Milkovic has been telling us it works too, along with a number of other inventors using this principal. It is certainly not without president.
#47 As the examples sited above attest to, this phenomenon is not without president. There is enough prior evidence to lend credence to Mr Chalkalis's claims of over unity.
#62 I think the Chalkalis device is certainly worthy of replication and further study.
#95 That's just what Chalkalis is doing with his device. Gravity acts as a multiplier of kinetic energy added at the top.
I see no reason why this device wouldn't work.
From Free Energy #13 on: July 17, 2010, 08:43:23 PM
“I am not implying that a rotating pendulum is incapable of producing extra energy. Milkovic has shown how his oscillator generates energy from a pendulum. The problem is that the Chalkalis device will not produce any extra energy on the main shaft as it has been presented.
You'll see this for yourself if you build a replica. Then you can figure out a real way of extracting energy from this device.”

Mr. Ted Ewert you call me a “showman” and question my intentions. Please explain your self. Have I asked for money or haven’t I told you from the beginning that I could not develop my device any further?
I open sourced my work and my designs for anyone interested to the idea.
Your own sayings and then your questioning and rage could be described as oranges and apples my friend.
Or maybe you share the same opinion as triplock besslerwheel forum saying : “I bet if it ran he would not have 'open-sourced' it.”

F.M.Chalkalis

[redrichie]

It seems that some of you have not even heard of "thane c heins" and his lenz defiying generator on youtube. I did replicate this device and believe me or not, it does work. If anyone has heard of "ken rauen" who was an advisor for the peswiki site, he now lives in Lubbock, TX just a few minutes away and he came over a few months ago for a demo. His final words were, "There is something there, something that cannot be easily explained with conventional physics". Anyways, I believe that it is a great generator that would not reflect back to the prime mover for this gravity wheel.

jake

Jake,
Maybe you could start a new thread for that heins repro? nice writeup with some photos would be really great. I believe that system to be really worth while. would be great to hear from a successful replicator.
Thanks. Rich

[Matos de Matos]

I am not implying that a rotating pendulum is incapable of producing extra energy. Milkovic has shown how his oscillator generates energy from a pendulum. The problem is that the Chalkalis device will not produce any extra energy on the main shaft as it has been presented.
You'll see this for yourself if you build a replica. Then you can figure out a real way of extracting energy from this device.”

F.M.Chalkalis

Mr. Chalkalis:

Thank you for joining us.
An unbalanced wheel is a pendulum with amplitudes over 180ş.
Any energy gain on the descendent half of the trajectory will be needed to push the weight upwards on the other half.
Doesn’t matter the configuration of the counter weights, gravity will transform the kinetic energy in to potential and vice versa.
Any force added to the weight will show as extra kinetic energy that can be used on the shaft. But the energy taking out will be less than any energy added by the driven force, accounting for friction and others.
I am not aware of other techniques of pumping a pendulum than the direct push or the changing of the center of mass, as the child does in a swing.

Mr. Milkovic can not take out energy from the shaft because he knows that will be a load showing as a direct loss, and that will reduce the amplitude of the pendulum.
Mr. Milkovic is using the weight of the pendulum indirectly to move the lever arm.
It will not change the period, other than the moving fulcrum in a circular path that will unbalance its trajectory.

You are saying that we can put a load on the shaft, on a prototype build by any of us.
Why didn’t you do it? You have a wheel on the shaft of your prototype.
Instead of enter in disputes, please show as the principles of your proposal.
David

[sebosfato]

Hello Mr. F.M.Chalkalis

I would like to believe you, however as i and others have pointed this seems only a way to accumulate energy.

Now if you say that this amount of energy rotating because of its mass and centripetal force could cause another gravity (center of attraction) or maybe an elastic resonance of the iron or something else that in fact generate energy by is interaction with gravity is another history.

Please provide more info about the principle behind it or why you think it would generate more than the input.

If you can attach an alternator and a proper load and make a video. Please prove us wrong in what we are thinking about your device.

Best Regards

[Cloxxki]

Dear Mr. Chalkalis,

Very nice of you to have joined our discussion.

Personally, I was not reading Ted's open letter as a personal attack. Also, I'm sure that if he had meant it as such, it would have been more outspoken and less courteous. If I attack someone, it sure is not to be mistaken about. Perhaps you might see it as Newton asking Einstein some questions, intended to bring their understanding of a matter at equal level.
At least, Ted got your attention.

I'm sure the scientific community as a whole would be most appreciative if you did answer Ted's questions, in order for us all to understand the physics of what's happening here. No-one likes to undertake a take-consuming and costly build, only to learn later why it was doomed to fail in the objective (producing excess energy). Of the likely hundreds of thousands of replications undertaken, perhaps a handful or less still stand as "likely producing factual excess energy". All the others, were merely learning experiences, accompanied with disappointment.

Surely with such a elimentary design as yours, the deeper workings and method of measurement can be explained in a few sentences? We seem to know pretty well how the device is to be built, but can't understand why it should produce excess energy. The math we tried, can't prove it.

Rest assured, this forum is most, most eager to learn all about your work, but we need something more than what we have now. Ted had high hopes as anyone, but as support was sought for your theory, quick research proved the way we thought it might work, to be incorrect.

Please help us on our way to understand?

Thanks in advance,

J

[lespaul109]

just an update

[Ted Ewert]

Mr. Ted Ewert you call me a “showman” and question my intentions. Please explain your self. Have I asked for money or haven’t I told you from the beginning that I could not develop my device any further?
I open sourced my work and my designs for anyone interested to the idea.
Your own sayings and then your questioning and rage could be described as oranges and apples my friend.
F.M.Chalkalis

I do regret assuming that you actually had a working device. Usually when somebody goes to all the trouble of making a video, establishing a web page and making a big deal of donating a device, the machine has some merit. I admit I got sucked up in the excitement before I took a closer look.
In the end, all that you have so generously "opened sourced" is a rotating pendulum. That's it. We just want to know why you think it's so special.
If you merely wanted some help with your device, all you had to do was ask. We all have projects that we get stuck on.
Instead you have ignored all the legitimate questions put to you and spent your only post here whining about how mean and unfair I've been to you.
Get over it. We don't have the time and energy to waste on a lot of BS.
Oh, and welcome to the forum.

Ted

[Zooty]

@Ted. I don't understand how you can just lay in to someone like that just because you are so sure it will not work. Has anyone built a replica? If you have built a replica and it categorically does not work then fire away!!, mow the guy down! I am also sure that if you approached skepticism in a more humane manner, you might get some explanation as to how it is supposed to work. You can't possibly know how this thing is going to work exactly unless you build a replica. Just because similar devices and theories have failed does not mean this one will fail just because you are so sure you know what is going on. Give the guy a break! He's not asking for money, he made an effort to show this to the world. If you are so sure this will not work, just keep your comments to yourself and let others judge for themselves. What if you missed something? What if it does work? How will you feel persuading others to look elsewhere? I can't see how your attitude is productive in any way whatsoever.

[Zooty]

Oh and... Welcome to the Forum Mr.Chalkalis

[Ted Ewert]

@Ted. I don't understand how you can just lay in to someone like that just because you are so sure it will not work. Has anyone built a replica? If you have built a replica and it categorically does not work then fire away!!, mow the guy down! I am also sure that if you approached skepticism in a more humane manner, you might get some explanation as to how it is supposed to work. You can't possibly know how this thing is going to work exactly unless you build a replica. Just because similar devices and theories have failed does not mean this one will fail just because you are so sure you know what is going on. Give the guy a break! He's not asking for money, he made an effort to show this to the world. If you are so sure this will not work, just keep your comments to yourself and let others judge for themselves. What if you missed something? What if it does work? How will you feel persuading others to look elsewhere? I can't see how your attitude is productive in any way whatsoever.

It's not a matter of whether his device works or not (it doesn't). It's that he's making a big show of selfless generosity which it's a bunch of crap.
I have a number of unfinished projects, which have also shown great promise, that I would gladly give to the world too. So what. What good are they if they don't work. Why should I waste everyone else's time and money just because I'm unwilling to finish them myself?
This is exactly what Chalkalis has done. He hasn't given away anything, he only wants other people to finish the job for him.
Why do you think he doesn't answer even the most basic questions about his device? It's because he can't back up any of his claims. Why should he be exempt from having to show proof? He doesn't even have the courtesy to tell us that he's stuck and can't figure out how to extract any energy from the thing.
I'm the first one to have sympathy for anyone who has worked long and hard to get something running, only to hit a brick wall. I've been there plenty of times myself, but the way Chalkalis did this is just wrong.

Ted

BTW, I believe a pendulum is likely capable of producing a lot of extra energy. I've built quite a few devices containing a pendulum in the attempt to understand this phenomenon. I wholeheartedly recommend anyone with an interest in this device to build one and learn how it works. Building as a learning tool is never a waste of time. Just don't expect it to produce anything extra as it is.

[Cloxxki]

@Ted. I don't understand how you can just lay in to someone like that just because you are so sure it will not work. Has anyone built a replica? If you have built a replica and it categorically does not work then fire away!!, mow the guy down! I am also sure that if you approached skepticism in a more humane manner, you might get some explanation as to how it is supposed to work. You can't possibly know how this thing is going to work exactly unless you build a replica. Just because similar devices and theories have failed does not mean this one will fail just because you are so sure you know what is going on. Give the guy a break! He's not asking for money, he made an effort to show this to the world. If you are so sure this will not work, just keep your comments to yourself and let others judge for themselves. What if you missed something? What if it does work? How will you feel persuading others to look elsewhere? I can't see how your attitude is productive in any way whatsoever.

I might have been received differently when proposed with just the drawings.
Peope would not have understood, and asked the inventor to build it himself first. Now that in fact it was already built, and theatrically donated to the world, the world wants to look in the mouth of the horse it was given. It's a nice looking horse, but will it live another year?
After decades of trying and building, and certainly a top level build, they world may be a bit disappointed in the explanation.

There's some great builders reading this thread, but they need a bit more convincing than a kindergarten group with a pile of blocks to build a similar pretty tower like the one the teacher built as example.
People are not unthankful, they simple want to be educated, and convinced. Blind faith is a bad gamble in the OU community. No reason inventor #xxxx has found the magic key.

I for one, want to learn how and why it offers a gain, as I don't see it, yet.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi Mr.Chalkalis and welcome. Thank you for your intention to help people, which in the end is what matters. I myself see where your device may gain energy and hope we can all help each other in harmony. You know folks, I recall a story about a couple guys that built bicycles and claimed heavier than air flight and while actually flying around the skies, reporters and scientists were still claiming it's impossible. Maybe they should have relaxed there ego's a bit and looked to nature, birds have a few more secrets up there sleeves and the bees.
Tyson

[lespaul109]

more of an update

[Matos de Matos]

more of an update

Way to go, thumbs up, try yourself and help others that may want to build or improve their own but can´t for various reasons.
Only together, without selectivity and sarcasm, we can improve each ones ideas and knowledge.
I can visualize, and solutions snaps up to me, but i am horrible at math, so give me a problem, and i will seek the solution for Armagdn03 to do the mathematical model and Ted and Jake will do awosomes prototypes.
Community, peace and live with the diference.

David