The Argument Thread

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The Argument Thread

This thread has been established for arguments.

To those who start threads, instead of permitting your thread to be cluttering up with contentious arguments, advise the parties to bring their arguments here, so they can settle the argument here, then they can return to your thread.

Place the following code in the first post of your thread to get started:

If you have an argument, please take it to http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5972-argument-thread.html and settle your argument there. Once settled there, you can come back to this thread. We don't want this thread cluttered up with a bunch of contentious arguments. Thanks

Ground rules:
1. Don't come here to start argument.
2. You come here from another thread to settle an argument.
3. No name calling.
4. No threats.
5. No interfering in another parties' argument.
6. Attempt to use logic and debating skills.
7. Please don't post anything not related to an on-going argument.

References
Propaganda and Debating Techniques
How to Debate Effectively and Rationally

Example:

Somebody posts in a thread that you are stupid and your idea is stupid.

What you can do is partially quote him in that thread by posting this code in your post.

I don't want to see this thread cluttered up with our disagreement, I will post my response to you in http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5972-argument-thread.html

Then you come to this thread, quote the post of the person who is arguing with you. Then you post your response beneath his quote.

For example, in your thread, you would post the following.

You're ...

I don't want to see this thread cluttered up with our disagreement, I will post my response to you in http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...nt-thread.html

Then you come here to The Argument Thread and post the following:

I have a few points that I wish to address with respect to your post.

You're stupid and your idea is stupid.

I will address each point individually.

You're stupid

DENIED.

Argumentum Ad Hominem. Personal attacks on your opponent are an admission of intellectual bankruptcy.

and your idea is stupid.

DENIED.

UNSUPPORTED.

ASSUMES FACT NOT IN EVIDENCE.

Good luck.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

good idea

Thanks for starting this, nice idea, but maybe people will not keep to it, BUT I HOPE THEY DO

Mike

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For Example and Illustration Purposes Only. Thank you, Mike!

Thanks for starting this, nice idea, but maybe people will not keep to it, BUT I HOPE THEY DO

Mike

If this were an argument from another thread and I were one of the parties involved in the argument, here is how I might respond.

I have a few points to address with respect to the following post.

Thanks for starting this, nice idea, but maybe people will not keep to it, BUT I HOPE THEY DO

Mike

So I will address each point individually.

Thanks for starting this

ADMITTED.

nice idea

ADMITTED.

but maybe people will not keep to it

DENIED. UNSUPPORTED. ASSUMES FACT NOT IN EVIDENCE.

BUT I HOPE THEY DO

DENIED. INFERENCE. ASSUMES FACT NOT IN EVIDENCE.

Thank you, Mike. You're a great guy. No offense intended. The above was just for illustration purposes only.

[theremart]

Thread title needs changed..

"Lets step outside "

:-)

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Let's Step Outside

"Lets step outside "

:-)

Great. How do I change a thread title?

[theremart]

Change of title..

Great. How do I change a thread title?

I don't think we can change the title as mere users. But I was just joking about changing it.

It is a fine line between sharing long held beliefs and keeping a good heated debate, and then having it degenerate down to personal attacks.

One of the things I have liked about this board is the balance that admins have taken to keep things in check. Yes admins make mistakes, yes patrons of this board have abused the system but overall there has been a means of people to disagree agreeably, not everyone remains happy, but that is normal. Not everyone is going to be happy.

I love a good debate, hate endless personal attacks.

[vidbid]

Fine Line

I don't think we can change the title as mere users. But I was just joking about changing it.

It is a fine line between sharing long held beliefs and keeping a good heated debate, and then having it degenerate down to personal attacks.

One of the things I have liked about this board is the balance that admins have taken to keep things in check. Yes admins make mistakes, yes patrons of this board have abused the system but overall there has been a means of people to disagree agreeably, not everyone remains happy, but that is normal. Not everyone is going to be happy.

I love a good debate, hate endless personal attacks.

AGREED.

Not all ad Hominems are fallacious, but they are all wrong.

We who are armed with reason are able to overcome them because as one once said,

Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.

We use reason to combat their errors.

[CatLady]

Such a good idea

The Argument Thread

This thread has been established for arguments.

To those who start threads, instead of permitting your thread to be cluttering up with contentious arguments, advise the parties to bring their arguments here, so they can settle the argument here, then they can return to your thread.

Place the following code in the first post of your thread to get started:

If you have an argument, please take it to http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5972-argument-thread.html and settle your argument there. Once settled there, you can come back to this thread. We don't want this thread cluttered up with a bunch of contentious arguments. Thanks

References
Propaganda and Debating Techniques
How to Debate Effectively and Rationally

Example:

Somebody posts in a thread that you are stupid and your idea is stupid.

What you can do is partially quote him in that thread by posting this code in your post.

I don't want to see this thread cluttered up with our disagreement, I will post my response to you in http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5972-argument-thread.html

Then you come to this thread, quote the post of the person who is arguing with you. Then you post your response beneath his quote.

For example, in your thread, you would post the following.



Then you come here to The Argument Thread and post the following:





Good luck.

I didn't like to see this thread get buried so quickly because it really is a good concept. I just think its too difficult for many to debate without getting into the "personal attacks." Best wishes to you.


TheTruthBeKnown
Dr. Ellen Macuay

[seth]

This thread is an utter waste of time, and I myself am a complete muppet for wasting these precious few moments of my life coming here - life is too short.

Reminds me of the following sketch:

YouTube - Argument Clinic

who disagrees?

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Response

This thread is an utter waste of time, and I myself am a complete muppet for wasting these precious few moments of my life coming here - life is too short.

Reminds me of the following sketch:

YouTube - Argument Clinic

who disagrees?

Response.

This thread is an utter waste of time

DENIED.

ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

VIOLATION OF GROUND RULE #7.

[seth]

Response.



DENIED.

ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE.

VIOLATION OF GROUND RULE #7.

No it isnt.

Yes it is.

No it isnt.

Yes it is....

I wonder how long this thread will go on for?

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Response.

No it isnt.

Yes it is.

No it isnt.

Yes it is....

I wonder how long this thread will go on for?

DENIED.

• ARGUMENTATIVE
• ASSUMES FACTS NOT IN EVIDENCE
• OPENLY CONTENTIOUS

[vidbid]

Argument

Classical Argument versus Rogerian Argument

[sucahyo]

If we have an argumentation wether this thread usefull or not, this thread server its purposes....

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Appeal to Emotions, Logic or Credibility

Pathos, Logos, or Ethos

You have to appeal to one. Which will it be?