Im pissed....

[adamo21]

Yea i meant flywheel not rotor.

Sephiroth: The energy we are talking about is powering your body right now. I love the irony in your comment because your trying to imply that we cant use the energy when in fact your using it from the second your first atom is constructed.

If you guys take a look at this graph

Which is one of johns schematics. You will notice the flywheel is "mass", now, do you think he wrote that on accident? I think thats the most important schematic out of all of them. Clearly he is taking energy from the mass and turning it into energy using the energizer. At that point you can use as many coils as you want to multiply that energy.

Joit: Thank you for the cement idea, im actually going to do exactly that for my flywheel later on.

[TanTric]

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adam, all that anger/rage will not solve your problems! you should not say that 99% of the world is dumb, everybody is just folowing ther paths... you cannot force people to folow your path just by thinking that you found the holly grail!!

that diagram you mention is from 1984 i think, so try to be rational, why there's no working prototypes out there?

the energy in the mass you mention is the same energy that the motor transfered to that mass, and is the same energy that you taked from the battery!

there's no gain in that type of switching also, so in one pulse you feed the motor, in the other one you take energy from the mass to generator coils...

its like going one step up, and another one down, the rpm will slow down in the generator recovery pulses, and speed up in the motor pulses, so the rpm will never be the same as if the motor working without the generator part!

if the coils are very high impedeance will probably almost stop the motor! you can make that test with a small reed switch pulse motor, set it to pulse the motor half cycle, and take energy from generator coil in the other half cycle!

you willl see that the generator coil will still slow down your rotor (half), and the energy generated will also be half of the one compared with if it was 1 entire cycle! are you educated about the lenz law?

you might want to look at the work of this men: YouTube - ThaneCHeins's Channel

he dont use any mass, only rotor... and he prooved that lenz law is not a law, but just a condition!! in the conditions that lenz have described it, its fine... but is not a law anymore! in a regular setup, when you put a load on the generator coils, they will slow down your rotor, in thanes patent, instead of slowing down, they will accelerate your rotor!

Even this men have not claimed overunity, so i really dont understand your morality to talk of a machine that you dont even built! hundreds, or thousands of people have allready made the same and If that machine was a self sustaining device with exess output, bedini was allready much more big that bill gates!!

and by the way, this is not twiter, here we discuss and experiment, and that is what you should do before yell that all the world is wrong, dont take me wrong, i have allready acted like you, and what i found out is that the problem was not all the world, the problem was inside me, because we can only change the world by starting to change ourselfs! and you can not swim against the tide, just let yourself take it without trying to convince other minds that you are right and others are wrong, everyone is free, and if you are right and you diserve it, people will found out by themselfs!!

i am not against you, and i cannot condemn you or anyone because i have allready made mistakes, maybe im wrong and you r right, who knows? but that is my tougth on this and i feel to share it, sory for something...

Peace, Love, Unity & Respect

[Ted Ewert]

TanTric has a good point; nobody has made that machine OU and a lot of people have tried. Unless you know Bedini's secret to make it work right, don't bother. It won't work as drawn without more information, which Bedini aint offering. You may as well use a bamboo flywheel because it won't make any difference, may even work better.

Ted

[Inquorate]

i took a couple of pieces of bam-far-king-boo's cousin, the humble blades of grass, and tried to make a pulsed flywheel and extract the energy from it, and all i could manage was a couple of blades of grass...

Then i woke up and joined Heretical Builders - Powered by vBulletin and met a few people who were making some real theoretical and experimental progress with intelligent discussion amongst stable-minded peers, within an environment of acceptable moderation and subject to substantial review.

Then i forget why i no longer sign in here, hoping for a few updates from Dr Stiffler or Tesla Switch thread etc and yet here i am, infallable, and responding to bull-sheet.

[everwiser]

The mass (flywheel) in that drawing is to carry the motor through its rotation (stores and gives up momentum when it's needed) for those parts of the rotation cycle when power is diverted to charge the run battery. Many designs incorporate flywheels including our automobiles. I think you're reading too much into it.

[Vickers]

I just got off the phone with a local guy.........

I wanted to discuss free energ with him. I told him that mass = energy...thats pretty ****ing simple right? Ok, I explained to my 5 year old newphew that mass = energy, he completely understood. This 50 year old guy did not understand that mass = energy......


He built a rotor out of BAMBOO!!! BAM ****ING BOO!!! and he wondered why it didnt generate energy....im really pissed at mankind right now, for being so ****ing dumb. Please tell me more of you guys understand this SIMPLE concept, im heated. Im pissed at how dumb 99% of the world is....its pathetic. Im sad. Is there any hope? God, Bam-****ing-Boo??????? What he ****.???

Hey... Bamboo is strong. You try and break a piece. Hell?.. I been beating my woman with the same bamboo cane for over 7 years and no signs of breakage at all!!
Mass =Energy? interesting concept? That what they teach in school these days?
So where this mass come from? Must be energy? Well obviously because mass=energy. So how does energy become mass? Where did this energy originate? Why and how did it become mass? Why didn't it just disperse like it apparently does these days?

[TanTric]

now you made me laugh loud!!!



ps: sory the offtopic

Hey... Bamboo is strong. You try and break a piece. Hell?.. I been beating my woman with the same bamboo cane for over 7 years and no signs of breakage at all!!

[Urich]

Hello,
Anybody ever put a large flywheel on an Internal Combustion Engine? I mean, large. I was wondering if in that configuration if the fuel and firing can be changed to conserve fuel. Any thoughts?

[Jbignes5]

Ummm.... WTF

adam, all that anger/rage will not solve your problems! you should not say that 99% of the world is dumb, everybody is just folowing ther paths... you cannot force people to folow your path just by thinking that you found the holly grail!!

that diagram you mention is from 1984 i think, so try to be rational, why there's no working prototypes out there?

the energy in the mass you mention is the same energy that the motor transfered to that mass, and is the same energy that you taked from the battery!

there's no gain in that type of switching also, so in one pulse you feed the motor, in the other one you take energy from the mass to generator coils...

its like going one step up, and another one down, the rpm will slow down in the generator recovery pulses, and speed up in the motor pulses, so the rpm will never be the same as if the motor working without the generator part!

if the coils are very high impedeance will probably almost stop the motor! you can make that test with a small reed switch pulse motor, set it to pulse the motor half cycle, and take energy from generator coil in the other half cycle!

you willl see that the generator coil will still slow down your rotor (half), and the energy generated will also be half of the one compared with if it was 1 entire cycle! are you educated about the lenz law?

you might want to look at the work of this men: YouTube - ThaneCHeins's Channel

he dont use any mass, only rotor... and he prooved that lenz law is not a law, but just a condition!! in the conditions that lenz have described it, its fine... but is not a law anymore! in a regular setup, when you put a load on the generator coils, they will slow down your rotor, in thanes patent, instead of slowing down, they will accelerate your rotor!

Even this men have not claimed overunity, so i really dont understand your morality to talk of a machine that you dont even built! hundreds, or thousands of people have allready made the same and If that machine was a self sustaining device with exess output, bedini was allready much more big that bill gates!!

and by the way, this is not twiter, here we discuss and experiment, and that is what you should do before yell that all the world is wrong, dont take me wrong, i have allready acted like you, and what i found out is that the problem was not all the world, the problem was inside me, because we can only change the world by starting to change ourselfs! and you can not swim against the tide, just let yourself take it without trying to convince other minds that you are right and others are wrong, everyone is free, and if you are right and you diserve it, people will found out by themselfs!!

i am not against you, and i cannot condemn you or anyone because i have allready made mistakes, maybe im wrong and you r right, who knows? but that is my tougth on this and i feel to share it, sory for something...

Peace, Love, Unity & Respect

Ok lets get this out right now. If you know anything about Thanes revelations you will know that high voltage and the coils that generate it bypass lenz's law when coupled to heavy current coils, this transforms the high current into high voltage. Lenz law only conforms to high current heavy magnetic devices. Thats what Thanes video's show! The higher the voltage the less lenz's law gets involved. That is the secret.

"he dont use any mass, only rotor" That is a bunch of bull. Thane uses a big mass coupling the magnets to the rotor. In fact he uses a regular induction motor with the new axial rotor added on to the shaft of the induction motor. That is the mass.

If you want to negate lenz's law then don't use what causes lenz's defect. That would be high current. In all of the experiments here on Energetic forum I would have thought that you guys would understand this premise that higher voltages have little current to burn or waste.

Thanes experiments are only the proof of the pudding waiting for us to harvest. Hmmmm... Pudding... Yummy...

[Farmhand]

WOW that was a sweet video, tasted like cake to me Jbignes5 very convincing video, looks like he prooved what Tesla said in the patent with the two different motors or generators, working one first to get up to speed then the other. They can be in the same machine or two machine's working in tag team, kinda. I think you know the one I mean, is that what the video does ? I hope his workshop is soundproof or he live's in the bush or something that thing is loud as.

Cheers

[theremart]

Flywheel on engine.

Hello,
Anybody ever put a large flywheel on an Internal Combustion Engine? I mean, large. I was wondering if in that configuration if the fuel and firing can be changed to conserve fuel. Any thoughts?

One of the most reliable engines out there is a engine called a Lister

YouTube - Lister D engine crank start

They are famous for long run times. There is a youtube video of an opensource project to run it on wood gas.


Amazing stuff.

[Jbignes5]

Well first....

WOW that was a sweet video, tasted like cake to me Jbignes5 very convincing video, looks like he prooved what Tesla said in the patent with the two different motors or generators, working one first to get up to speed then the other. They can be in the same machine or two machine's working in tag team, kinda. I think you know the one I mean, is that what the video does ? I hope his workshop is soundproof or he live's in the bush or something that thing is loud as.

Cheers

If you look he was in a university at first. He was working on a prototype for someone. So he was getting paid I believe to work the prototype out and make sure it was working.

You are entirely correct to assume that it is a process to get where he wanted to go. The procedure to get there was 1: normal traditional motor. 2 use high current coils to start the process then add in high voltage coils to get the reverse boost.

There is still a missing component of where he draws the load current but I suspect it was from the high current coils. This allowed a pathway to be formed then he could transform the high current as it flowed into a high voltage and let it reflect on the generating magnets of the rotor. He does this with both ac and dc motors so the theory is sound.

One fundamental law that got overlooked in my honest opinion. Higher voltages do not react the same way to a resistance then high current does. High current sources push so hard that there is no other way for the energy to get out and it gets converted to heat. But if you transform the high current as it is being used or tapped you can recycle it back into the system and get a boost in the process. At some point there is a tipping point and that is what he refers to as the steady state of the motor. Once you get to that steady state you can enhance the operation of the device by overlaying the high voltage that is transformed back into the source. When you do this it creates a regenerative effect that defies normal operations of said device.

Is it OU? I have no idea but what it does do is lower the source drain and increase performance many fold even to a point where he can generate for his load and still maintain a speed up of the rotor as well. From his descriptions of that process if he increased the load, it in turn increases the performance of the source motor. He even is brave enough to say that it could be brought higher and is not limited by the theory behind it. The only limitation is the design of the source motor. This might not be a limitation if one used a very big motor capable of handling huge currents as huge voltages are much different when put down the same thickness of the path (coils,wires).

In fact if one studies all the motor patents of Tesla one will get a sense of what Tesla was doing and how this Thane has duplicated the original theories and experiments of Tesla. Possibly without knowing it was done already by Tesla. I don't know what this thane knows or has studied but it does have a keen relationship to Tesla's own work.