Plasma propulsion / Lifter / EM Antigravity Mini AirCraft

[Harvey]

Why this video show only momentary acceleration and not continuous like serfer5?

Considering the circuit mentioned is pulse triggered I wonder why it only produce momentary acceleration? My experiment also show continuous thrust?

I don't know, perhaps ask Mr. Gilles

[serfer5]

Very Nice

thanks .... posted a few more vids last night, i was just wondering if the slayer exciter as a power supply would make a difference, being that it runs at a higher frequency

[TanTric]

hmmm

can you explain that better?

[serfer5]

can you explain that better?

if you are talking about the frequency I mentioned then it has to do with these devices are basically like capacitors and react to different frequencies. the power supplies used on lifters was a computer monitor running at around 16 Kilo Hz and the slayer circuit runs much faster, it might not make a difference but then again it might

[TanTric]

hmmm

so you are planning to output kilovolts from a slayer exiter tower, to power a lifter?

[serfer5]

so you are planning to output kilovolts from a slayer exiter tower, to power a lifter?

the output is all ready in kilovolts, to get to higher kilovolts i would add a voltage multiplyer to L1

[Harvey]

Onboard KV

Somewhere in my junk box I have an ignition coil pack from a 2000 Mercury. It is relatively light weight and has an output to drive spark plugs directly.

Now, I was thinking, a lightweight lithium battery or the like could be used with that (and maybe a voltage multiplier)to feed the inside of a sphere. In a very short period of time the exterior of the sphere will reach dielectric break down voltage of the surrounding air.

Now - what would be required, to put this on a lifter to supply the on board power for the thrusters?

Or is there a lot more power going on here than just the ES field stress?

[TanTric]

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harvey dont know if i understanded well..

you want to drive small thruster that will be coupled to the lifter, to propel it?

thats a very good idea!

@serfer can you point me simple schematics to make a small thruster similar to yours? you power it just like you power a lifter?

hugs

[sucahyo]

the output is all ready in kilovolts, to get to higher kilovolts i would add a voltage multiplyer to L1

Can we really use voltage multiplier in the kilovolts output part? Won't it reduce power?

By L1 do you mean the primary? I think on a very efficient switching circuit, voltage multiplier might end up reduce the secondary voltage.

[sucahyo]

Now, I was thinking, a lightweight lithium battery or the like could be used with that (and maybe a voltage multiplier)to feed the inside of a sphere. In a very short period of time the exterior of the sphere will reach dielectric break down voltage of the surrounding air.

Why sphere? A static potential do not provide continuous thrust.

[Harvey]

harvey dont know if i understanded well..

you want to drive small thruster that will be coupled to the lifter, to propel it?

thats a very good idea!

@serfer can you point me simple schematics to make a small thruster similar to yours? you power it just like you power a lifter?

hugs

Yes, did you see Charles Gilles video at the very end (2:42) where he attached his to a regular lifter?

I'm trying to see if there is a way to put the power on board so it will be mobile.

[Harvey]

Why sphere? A static potential do not provide continuous thrust.

The inside of a sphere is always zero volts potential, so it will keep taking new charge indefinitely from the coil-pack. The outside of the sphere will grow in charge accordingly, so it becomes a very high voltage source.

Look carefully at Charles Gilles thruster, it is using high voltage to operate.

It is a direct conversion between an Electric Field and Kinetic Energy. But there must be power involved - how much weight and how much lift acceleration determines the power needed.

At the very least, I think we can fly a helium balloon around with it.

(In Fact, the Helium Balloon can be our sphere)

[sucahyo]

The outside of the sphere will grow in charge accordingly, so it becomes a very high voltage source.

I mean, can we produce pulsed very high voltage with that?

TT Brown mention that static high voltage produce dampened acceleration. It will accelerate for 5 second and then reverse a little. Forget where I read it, sorry.

Maybe 50KV produce bigger thrust, but without pulsing, we only get momentary acceleration.

[Harvey]

I mean, can we produce pulsed very high voltage with that?

TT Brown mention that static high voltage produce dampened acceleration. It will accelerate for 5 second and then reverse a little. Forget where I read it, sorry.

Maybe 50KV produce bigger thrust, but without pulsing, we only get momentary acceleration.

The Sphere is a capacitor to store the charge and gives us a way to use lower voltage charging systems to get a very high voltage potential.

Serfer has a rotational thruster of some type there that runs for quite a while, about 27 seconds by my count, and looks as if it would just keep rotating as long as power is applied.

I don't have any practical experience with lifters, but I do have a lot of experience with Horizontal Flyback Transformers and HV systems among other things. So I'm learning here along with the rest =)

[serfer5]

harvey dont know if i understanded well..

you want to drive small thruster that will be coupled to the lifter, to propel it?

thats a very good idea!

@serfer can you point me simple schematics to make a small thruster similar to yours? you power it just like you power a lifter?

hugs

the JNL site that you took the lifter pictures from has all the info you need, i was part of that project in 2000 2002 and the building material used was balsa wood or foam with aluminum foil. I used foam, if you need more info then i will try to help