Plasma propulsion / Lifter / EM Antigravity Mini AirCraft

[serfer5]

The inside of a sphere is always zero volts potential, so it will keep taking new charge indefinitely from the coil-pack. The outside of the sphere will grow in charge accordingly, so it becomes a very high voltage source.

Look carefully at Charles Gilles thruster, it is using high voltage to operate.

It is a direct conversion between an Electric Field and Kinetic Energy. But there must be power involved - how much weight and how much lift acceleration determines the power needed.

At the very least, I think we can fly a helium balloon around with it.

(In Fact, the Helium Balloon can be our sphere)

the helium baloon thing was done by the winner of the 100 gram payload lifter at this site Blaze Labs Research Pages

[serfer5]

Can we really use voltage multiplier in the kilovolts output part? Won't it reduce power?

By L1 do you mean the primary? I think on a very efficient switching circuit, voltage multiplier might end up reduce the secondary voltage.

I built a power supply for the lifter project and it used a voltage multiplier and had plenty of power. i will try a multiplier on my sec this week end, not sure if it will work but worth a try

[serfer5]

I mean, can we produce pulsed very high voltage with that?

TT Brown mention that static high voltage produce dampened acceleration. It will accelerate for 5 second and then reverse a little. Forget where I read it, sorry.

Maybe 50KV produce bigger thrust, but without pulsing, we only get momentary acceleration.

lifters use DC voltage but JNL and blazelabs have used a pulsed DC, my lifters used strait DC, the reverse might be from the idea that these devices are like capacitors that are trying to go to a zero net charge but bounce to a negative before going to zero

[sucahyo]

I built a power supply for the lifter project and it used a voltage multiplier and had plenty of power. i will try a multiplier on my sec this week end, not sure if it will work but worth a try

Ok. I look forward for the result .

lifters use DC voltage but JNL and blazelabs have used a pulsed DC, my lifters used strait DC

I see. How do you obtain straight HV DC? did you use capacitor?

[TanTric]

yeah!

now i am fully concentrated in my plasma propulsion lifter, i hope that tomorrow i can have the video ready!!

BOOM

[seth]

Ok. I look forward for the result .

I see. How do you obtain straight HV DC? did you use capacitor?

Very good question!!!!

Even if you use a monitor as a power supply, im pretty sure the HV DC will be pulsed. My HV power supply is certainly pulsed. I thought it would be pretty impossible to get DC into the 20kv range without pulsing it in some way....

....but perhaps its possible with caps?

[Harvey]

the helium baloon thing was done by the winner of the 100 gram payload lifter at this site Blaze Labs Research Pages

Kewl

I found a 100g payload experiment but it didn't have a helium balloon.
Experiments: Experiment 14

Is there more than one?

Thanx for the link

[serfer5]

Kewl

I found a 100g payload experiment but it didn't have a helium balloon.
Experiments: Experiment 14

Is there more than one?

Thanx for the link

you will find the baloon one here Experiments: Experiment 04

[serfer5]

Very good question!!!!

Even if you use a monitor as a power supply, im pretty sure the HV DC will be pulsed. My HV power supply is certainly pulsed. I thought it would be pretty impossible to get DC into the 20kv range without pulsing it in some way....

....but perhaps its possible with caps?

yes if you use a monitor as a power supply like in this video the output will be pulsed but like in this vid YouTube - serfer5rogers's Channel the thruster is a capacitor that is charging and the resulting movement is from the build up of the dc charge

but the power supply that i built used a voltage multiplier that was made of diodes and capacitors and thus a strait DC output, I actually had to discharge the power supply after every use

[Harvey]

you will find the baloon one here Experiments: Experiment 04

Thank You very much

I was having trouble finding it - much appreciated.

[Harvey]

@ Serfer5,

I'm trying to understand the action that is causing the thrust.

You said "the resulting movement is from the build up of the dc charge", and I find this intriguing along with the fact that you have demonstrated quite nicely for us that the motion occurs after the capacitor plates are charged up and not before.

So I see it this way; that the increasing charge results in a higher plate voltage and thus a larger static E-Field between the plates but at this point a lower current flow into the capacitor (depending of course on leakage).

Therefore, the thrust seems to be associated with the stress or tension in this E-field rather than some kinetic 'action - reaction' of charges moving from one place to another. Am I on the right track here?

I think I need to do some reading on the underlying principles behind this phenomenon to better understand the concepts being applied

I love learning new things

[seth]

yes if you use a monitor as a power supply like in this video the output will be pulsed but like in this vid YouTube - serfer5rogers's Channel the thruster is a capacitor that is charging and the resulting movement is from the build up of the dc charge

but the power supply that i built used a voltage multiplier that was made of diodes and capacitors and thus a strait DC output, I actually had to discharge the power supply after every use

A very interesting approach which i didnt realise was an option - well done! I watched a couple of your vids too. Heres one which i made a long time ago using an open monitor as a power supply

YouTube - First lifter with TV as HV power supply

It was pretty easy to get stable.

[serfer5]

this particular thuster video made a lot of people think because the time to charge the plates was too long for what would have been expected, what you cant hear in this vid is the moment the power is turned on there is no sound then just before it starts to move there is an increase of hissing noise.

I can't explain it my self

@ Serfer5,

I'm trying to understand the action that is causing the thrust.

You said "the resulting movement is from the build up of the dc charge", and I find this intriguing along with the fact that you have demonstrated quite nicely for us that the motion occurs after the capacitor plates are charged up and not before.

So I see it this way; that the increasing charge results in a higher plate voltage and thus a larger static E-Field between the plates but at this point a lower current flow into the capacitor (depending of course on leakage).

Therefore, the thrust seems to be associated with the stress or tension in this E-field rather than some kinetic 'action - reaction' of charges moving from one place to another. Am I on the right track here?

I think I need to do some reading on the underlying principles behind this phenomenon to better understand the concepts being applied

I love learning new things

[serfer5]

that looks about what i had with my first attempt

A very interesting approach which i didnt realise was an option - well done! I watched a couple of your vids too. Heres one which i made a long time ago using an open monitor as a power supply

YouTube - First lifter with TV as HV power supply

It was pretty easy to get stable.

[Cherryman]

As the OP stated to be interested in all kinds of levitation:

In Nijmegen, (Just around the corner ;-) Netherlands they have a lab in wich they levitate objects with magnetism.

Levitating strawberry : YouTube - levitating strawberry

Levitating frog : YouTube - levitating frog

Lab link : High Field Magnet Laboratory - High Field Magnet Laboratory