PEREPITEIA thane c heins generator replication

[lespaul109]

It has come to my attention that someone has written an article stating a theory about how the device is said to operate. The entire basis of that theory is about the generator needing an AC prime mover to operate. I have replicated this device to an extent that it accelerates under load and have always used a DC motor for powering the disk of magnets. So don't let someone discourage an attempt to replicate based on a theory rather that experience, because that is what many of us are here to do is disprove long held scientific theories. Otherwise our machines could never work.

will post pics and more info later today

jake

[Ted Ewert]

Thanks for starting this thread Jake.
As far as I can tell from his videos, the prime mover just needs to turn the wheel. Who cares what type it is so long as it can turn the wheel fast enough.
I look forward to seeing what you've done.

[Ted Ewert]

I found the following on PESwiki:

On Feb. 4, 2008, Tyler Hamilton of Clean Break offered the following synopsis [Hamilton is a columnist for the Toronto Star]:
He takes an induction motor and connects its steel draftshaft to a steel rotor that is lined with small circular magnets. Opposite the rotor is a wire coil that generates electricity as the magnets on the rotor spin past it. When he applies a load to the coil, like a lightbulb, it increases the magnetic field around the coil. This field would normally create magnetic friction (Back EMF) against the approaching magnets on the rotor, causing the rotor to slow down. But because the rotor and the driveshaft are both steel, they conduct the coil's electromagnetic field and direct it to the heart of the induction motor. The magnetic friction that would normally be in the air-gap between the rotor magnets and the coil has now been harnessed inside the induction motor, boosting the motor's existing magnetic fields that are used to spin the draftshaft.

As more load is put on the coil, a larger magnetic field is created and directed to the induction motor, making the motor go faster. This creates a positive feedback loop as the load on the coil increases.

The guy who wrote the article works for a newspaper, so he doesn't have much credibility to start with, and he doesn't gain any with his analysis. Heins explained in one of his videos that his coils went from being primarily inductive to capacitive at a certain speed, which has to do with the frequency of the passing magnets. He said that was why they gave a boost to the prime mover. He even demonstrated that at a lower speed the load on those same coils would put a drag on the PM.

Ted

[lespaul109]

get ya started

here are the two main parts, 10inch saw blade(would suggest welding steel tube onto blade instead of angle L iron), 1in X 1/2in N42 magnets, spool: 2.15inch inner width, 1inch core diameter, weight: 15.14oz, 49ohms, wire: 0.015inch with coating (don't remmber 24 or 26 AWG) 1inch dia. standard(cheap) bolt that my dad cut the edges off of the head

total cost: about $55

magnets from: https://www.magnet4less.com think they have good prices

this should get people started replicating

[lespaul109]

My experience

if i remmber correctly, I was only able to get out about 6-7 watts from this coil. I wrote thane and he told me to build another coil with 22AWG wire for higher output. I calculated the resistance/foot of his better coil, and I would need about 8 pounds, that is about $80 from my supplier which is a local electric motor repair shop. So I would suggest building one of his type if you are starting to replicate, learn from my design and save money.

Important info! Please read.

From what I have noticed, there is "NO" counter force made by taking electricity from the coil. There is however a counter force caused by the magnetic drag of the steel/iron core(large bolt in my case) this is proven because in my tests the motor does draw more current when the core is in front of the rotor with the coil "DISCONNECTED" than when it is not near the rotor at all. When the core is close and the coil is connected(producing usable electricity) the rotor does speed up(accelerate). So literally the drag of the core is reduced somehow by the field of the coil being connected. This effect increases with more energy being taken from the coil. In summary, if I make the larger coil(7-8lbs 22AWg 60ohms) which extracts more electricity, while using the same core(the only source of drag) it should reduce the core drag more and produce more output in watts.

sorry for the lengthy explaination, it's a lot to comprehend.

jake

[Matthew Jones]

Seems to me there better and cheaper ways to make this same effect.

If you build a coil with a IRON core. Prior to rapping You place 2 magnets (north and south) on the iron where the North magnet would facing the end of the coil that will be wound North and the South facing the south end of the coil. Then you heat it a bit, with torch or Magnifying glass and the sun. (laid out all day).
Then you wined the coil. Build your rotor, with all the PM's facing the same direction and the space between them being equal.

Then run the thing.

What happen on the rotor is the equivalent to a NSNSNS approach. Because of the curved field.
The coil further supplements this as it is fluxed its want to return to it original pole. Between the rotor and the space the magnets you generate alot of potential at little cost.
But pull one north magnet past and the next is so attracted iron (because it is precharged) you no longer have an effect from the field created by the wire. It gets nulled out. It contributes to an anti Lenz effect.

Not only does it in generators but motors too.

From reading what I have read about his specific effect I would almost be willing to say his coils at some point become premagnetized to the point they perform this way. But there is no mention of it even from the skeptics.
So who knows.

Matt

[Ted Ewert]

Thanks for the info Jake. Is there a critical spacing requirement for the magnets? Are the polarities NSNSNS?
I've been using large, high inductance coils in my motors, which are similar to what he recommends for the generator coils. They work unusually well and are very efficient.

Ted

[EthelAether]

It has come to my attention that someone has written an article stating a theory about how the device is said to operate.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by 'operate'.. If you mean 'what makes it go', that's one thing. But if you mean 'what causes it to perform OU', then that's bollocks - because the Heinz device has never been shown to produce more out than in.

because that is what many of us are here to do is disprove long held scientific theories.

This might sound pedantic, but it's not. Scientific theories cannot be disproved in the common vernacular sense, as they were never proved in the first place. A theory (or parts thereof) can only be evaluated based upon the weight of evidence that supports or defies (falsifies) the predictions of the theory.

When a significant body of evidence exists that supports the contentions of a theory, the theory can be granted currency or even be held as prevailing - but never, ever proven.

The important point here, is that you cannot disprove something that was never held to be proved. You can only accumulate evidence that challenges the current state of the particular theory du jour - so don't expect that a single, anomalous result would ever be construed as smashing a longstanding and respected theory - especially if that theory is perfectly useful in 99.99% of all cases where it is put to work.

Otherwise our machines could never work.

Which machines are these?

[lespaul109]

there doesn't seem to be a spacing requirement, they are nsnsns to make the sine wave

[EthelAether]

there doesn't seem to be a spacing requirement, they are nsnsns to make the sine wave

Hey les, just to be clear on this point...

Even if they were all SSSSSS or NNNNNN they would still produce an AC sine output.

[lespaul109]

I am aware that thane never claimed OU. Like him I say, there must be something here because not one mass produced generator accelerates when loaded. Is that clear enough?

[lespaul109]

Forgot to state again that the "accerleration" is in "no way" related to the type of prime mover.

[Matthew Jones]

Look up the Kromrey converter. Its speeds up under load.

Matt

[lespaul109]

I have seen videos of the kromrey, is it being mass produced yet?

[Matthew Jones]

No. Several have been replicated but with low COP. But they do speed up under load.

Matt