GAP Power - Magnetic Neutralization

[ashtweth]

Got the DVD to support him and have found some one to start building it Real nice guy BTW

[Matthew Jones]

@Ash

You going to try one to scale?

Matt

[Ted Ewert]

All he has to do is to measure his input current to calculate his total power draw. Why is this not done? Why do people say that they have an "over unity
" device when it's so easy to take a few accurate measurements and dispel all doubt?
I've built a very similar device and they can be quite efficient. However, they are very difficult to get a lot of rotational torque from. They also have a slow rate of fire, which makes it hard to keep the coil efficient.
You'll probably have to build about ten of them to drive one shaft in order to get a smooth torque curve. Of course, if you use big honking magnets like this guy does, you may only have to build a couple of 'em. I wouldn't touch neos that big.

[baroutologos]

All he has to do is to measure his input current to calculate his total power draw. Why is this not done? Why do people say that they have an "over unity
" device when it's so easy to take a few accurate measurements and dispel all doubt?

Ted, you are more senior member in this field than me.. and it should be evident to you by now that people who refuse to take any accurate measurments do so becuase that they are gonning to be disapointed by their meters readings..

Science or even a serious tinkering is not progressing with eye judgments. Especially the marginal ones.

Personally: I hate those people who are eager to say "free energy" yet they do not make any appropriate measurment and have a stack of batteries for power supply!
pfff... great noobness

[tjnlsn255]

Ash,

Does the CD contain the circuit diagram that he is using?

Hopes and Dreams....

Tj

[everwiser]

There no AC on the coil so no XL to calculate, the coil act like a resistor with a constant DC apply to it, when the coil energize, the max power it can consume is 45/10.5 = 4.285A so 45 * 4.285 = 192.825 W when activated. http://www.gap-power.com/photos/Schematic-1.jpg

Best Regards,
EgmQC

While he's using DC on the coil, he's cycling the DC on and off which ends up being a changing/alternating signal. The magnetic field will vary with voltage transients impeding/assisting the current flow depending on those transients, therefore his simplistic calculations using Ohm's law for resistance is not a valid representation of power. Further mathematics using his measured voltage, current, and timing are needed to calculate the impedance to accurately derive input/output power.

[synchro]

Input.

Wouldn't it be much simpler to just run the motor from a charged capacitor and measure the output against the depleted charge?

[Ted Ewert]

Ted, you are more senior member in this field than me.. and it should be evident to you by now that people who refuse to take any accurate measurments do so becuase that they are gonning to be disapointed by their meters readings..

Science or even a serious tinkering is not progressing with eye judgments. Especially the marginal ones.

Personally: I hate those people who are eager to say "free energy" yet they do not make any appropriate measurment and have a stack of batteries for power supply!
pfff... great noobness

You're right, I doesn't surprise me, I just want people to be aware of this. Anybody with the level of skill to build a device as well constructed as this one is certainly capable of figuring out how to take a simple input power measurement. Failing to provide that information and then claiming over unity is disingenuous.
This guy and Chalkalis have pulled the same stunt. I'm just getting a little tired of it.

[Ted Ewert]

While he's using DC on the coil, he's cycling the DC on and off which ends up being a changing/alternating signal. The magnetic field will vary with voltage transients impeding/assisting the current flow depending on those transients, therefore his simplistic calculations using Ohm's law for resistance is not a valid representation of power. Further mathematics using his measured voltage, current, and timing are needed to calculate the impedance to accurately derive input/output power.

All he has to do is to put a current meter right after his power source. Then stick a couple of big old capacitors between the meter and the motor, maybe even a choke if there's any ripple left. The caps and the choke will average the pulse draws out and give a very steady and accurate reading on the meter. This isn't rocket science.

[Vortex]

i love it when after the Certificate of Calibration is displayed @ 06:45 into the video
FREE ENERGY # 24 Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization he
states:

"i tend to think that most people are under the impression that an
over unity device must some how break the laws of physics.
This device doesn't even bend the laws of physics, let alone break any."

[Matthew Jones]

i love it when after the Certificate of Calibration is displayed @ 06:45 into the video
FREE ENERGY # 24 Working Magnetic Overunity Device - Magnetic Neutralization he
states:

Thats the Dogma academics practice. A near cult practice of setting unobtainable goals they themselves can't imagine reaching.
But thats another subject.

Matt

[everwiser]

All he has to do is to put a current meter right after his power source. Then stick a couple of big old capacitors between the meter and the motor, maybe even a choke if there's any ripple left. The caps and the choke will average the pulse draws out and give a very steady and accurate reading on the meter. This isn't rocket science.

I didn't intend to make it sound like rocket science. I was merely pointing out that his calculation methods were flawed making the claims he made in the video(s) likewise flawed and therefore unsubstantiated pending further analysis/replication by persons willing to "do it right". I'm on the side of anyone willing to open source and also know that claims that aren't backed up by accurate measurement/calculation are no no real value. I'm not throwing the baby out with the bathwater but his "bathwater" as presented is murky.

I'm sure someone will get to the root of it all with proper measurements; his, as presented, weren't completely valid.

[tjnlsn255]

Wow... so much negativity..... ouch...

If I was Art (the inventor) I sure would not be motivated to come in hear and work with you all ......

How about some positive words of encouragement and possibly HELP!

You all sound a lot like the scientists that you are always putting down.....

Lets get constructive literally... please......

Hopes and Dreams...

Tj

[everwiser]

I'm not intending or meaning to be negative...Just making an observation about the evidence as presented.

As stated, I'm all for this being proven and turned into a viable motor/method. Like it or not, however, the documentation has to be in order to prove more work out than in. His methodology of having the apparatus lifting the certified/calibrated weight and equating this to watts is a step in the right direction but using Ohm's law in a purely resistive context is inaccurate. That's all I was saying. If the truth equates to negativity then so be it.

[Karl_Palsness]

Earlier I stated that there is no recovery circuit in this...I saw in his pictures his circuit and you can clearly see that that is so.



If you look at Magnacoster's patent you will see that the two ideas are very similar just that one is capturing electrical energy an the other is capturing mechanical energy. You will see on Maganacoster's earlier pictures from his old web page that he also was moving one magnet on the end but then discovered when he pout energy recovery on the circuit that he was getting way more energy from that side. You can clearly see that this device will act as an generator. If you look at this link you can see how it does.

YouTube - Faradays Law of Induction



Hope this helps you understand.

Karl