The ultimate secret of free energy: Split the postive AND the negative

[baroutologos]

If you managed to hands on a real free energy device yourself or see it in action beyond resonable doubt, then rest assured the ultimate secret lies within.

So far, the ultimate secret should be called, "the ultimate theoretic secret of free energy"

I think you got the point.

[lamare]

So far, the ultimate secret should be called, "the ultimate theoretic secret of free energy"

I see what you mean, yes.

Let me put it this way: I fully trust that Gray, Meyer and Puharich did what the say the did and saw what they say they saw. Now, both Meyer and Grays systems have been publicly shown to work. And the reason their stuff never made it is because all those other "theorists" that knew it all said it couldn't be done.

So, I just went the other way. I said: apparantly what these Guys did was for real. So, let's find out how on Earth this could possibly work.

And then it turned out they all independently used the same principle, which can be completely explained with proper science. Basically only Coulombs law and some math.

So, either Coulomb was wrong and these three guys were incredible frauds, or this is the way they did it. I simply do not see any other possibility.

Either things add up or they don't.

And no matter what: time will tell.

Update:
One more thing. We're doing this the open source way, right?

http://catb.org/esr/writings/cathedr...r/ar01s04.html

Release Early, Release Often

Linus Torvalds

[lamare]

For those who are not familiar, Seth is an "intelligence" channeled through Jane Roberts. Many have believed him to be a facet of her personality, or a hoax, however here is an interesting quote regarding the matter....In the Seth material, Jane Roberts presented a discussion between Seth and Eugene Barnard, an academic psychologist with extensive knowledge of eastern philosophy.

If you're interested in that kind of stuff, you may want to check out David Wilcock. He has some very interesting food for thought at his website:
Divine Cosmos

Ye can google for "david wilcock filetypedf" to find his stuff. I like him. He also has an interesting video together with Graham Hancock over at his youtube channel.

However, this kind of stuff cannot be considered "hard science". Nonetheless, they can give you interesting ideas and food for thought.

[Jbignes5]

maybe?

Could I suggest that from the one link I provided that when we pass a current or attract a current of flow of charges into a wire that there is a following of the dielectric half of electricity at a 90 degree angle. This is the shell boundry or electron shell of an atom or matter. This shell can accept free charges very readily because free charges are actually the transmitter that contains the static charge. This makes the static charge dynamic. With using static laws one can see how this operates.

Sierpinski triangle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the transmitter is a Sierpinski Triangle form of a crystaline nature, that would give two kinds of surfaces. One is the charge surface and the other is the drive surface. Meaning as it moves through the medium it generates a static charge from just that movement and stores it in it's internal surfaces while at the same time guides it via charge value of each face of those external surfaces.

At the bottom of that page is a 3d representation of two triangles. One positive and one negative or less positive (red/blue). Have a good long look at it and see if you see what I did.

Now is it detectable? I doubt it. For one it is of a structure that allows itself to have movement that is undetectable. Meaning it is of an angular nature that light and energy reflect off of it and that makes it a stealth component. I believe the charges are just much smaller collections of the Sierpinski triangles just at a different scale and much more energetic. This should go indefinetely smaller just like a fractal. And it is why we see fractals all in nature as well because fractals are two ways or bidirectional.

Anyone want to comment on this Have at it. I need some challengers to see if this will hold up.

Here is an analogy that I think might help to understand this. You take a room with a carpet and a bunch of people with socks on. Once the people start moving a static charge is built up in their bodies and if they weighed little they would be affected by this charge that has been built up in their bodies and the direction they travel. Like wise if their charge was any different then their neighbors then an equalizing discharge will happen between the two bodies. This is the same mechanism that I think goes on in the smaller scales. But on those scales mass has a lot to do with it and if the charge inside the mass can hold the matter together given enough injection of external charge.
I agree the charge is a flowing medium. There is also a very real structure to the charge and resulting accumulated mass around a charge aka Atom or matter.. The mass that gets attracted to these charges to form matter is neutral in nature and behaves much like iron does with magnetism. It is both attracted to and passes static potential to it's other faces.
Take for instance when professors talk about static and how it effects metals that are shaped like a globe. Charging one side causes the metal to become positively charged when compared to the directly opposite side is charged negatively or to be correct less positive. It is less positive on that side because of the direction of flow of the internal charges twords the higher potential.

[Jbignes5]

I wanted to talk about batteries.

Why have we never seen a battery made with clear plastic? I think if we saw such a battery we would see the battery acting like a static/fluid pump. There should be current that flow in the battery between the plates. This flow allows the conductor rich fluid to ferry charges from one plate to the other is such a way that it can maintain a static charge on the plate and provide a steady static potential to the terminals hence DC. But batteries contain fluids and with such masses you have inertia. I believe that Bedini's way is to create a super flow in the fluid that allows for it to continue to maintain or even gain charge long after it has been disconnected from the circuit from this super flow.

When I saw Tesla's setup from the HV experiments that was mentioned earlier this looked like it could be the same principle. But one thing defines it as different. The density of the medium that they used. One was air(Tesla) and the other was a denser fluid acid/water combo (Bedini). Both use a super flow of the medium they chose.

My additions to the Tesla HV generator transformer sets up the same flow and a way to tap that flow using induction of the charges from one half of the coil to induce movement in the secondary of the load transformer while still allowing the flow to continue in the drive transformer. The inlet of source charges is in between the two antenna's on a flat plane or sheet of air. The only imbalance is the size of the antenna's and not their mass. This change in size is key to getting an amplification of the charges through bunching from one large sized antenna to the smaller more compact antenna. Kinda like using a fulcrum in effect. Other then the antenna's and the output the whole half of the driver transformer is to be statically shielded so as to preserve the charges ability to not leak away nor attract newer charges from the environment through the rest of the device. Even the hook ups to the antenna's is to be shielded as well.

[Slovenia]

PDF Files

Hi Fellow Experimenters,

I've made pdf files of all of Lamar's input regarding the "Secret of Free Energy and Separating he Positive and Negative". I have 3 pdf files of all his input regarding this scenario and they are for the Gray Replication, Stan Meyer's Secret of Preventing Electrolysis, and The Ultimate Secret of Free Energy Separating the Positive & Negative. Anyway, if anyone is interested in having these 3 pdf files I will upload them here.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Michelinho]

Thanks Slovenia.

[lamare]

I believe that Bedini's way is to create a super flow in the fluid that allows for it to continue to maintain or even gain charge long after it has been disconnected from the circuit from this super flow.

If you ask me, with Bedini's stuff you get a polarized dielectric inside your battery. I first thought that was also what Meyer was doing, because there were some references that the tubes had to be coated. I started an article over at peswiki about this, which we called "the electret effect", but things went into another direction, so I moved that stuff into the new article and never got to work this part out.

However, if you're interested, there are still a lot of links and quotes to the relevant discussions here, as well as lots of references about this. If you want to go this way, then you will have to study electrolytic capacitors.

So, if you want to investigate my ideas about this, you can start here and find your way:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Update: you may want to start with these:
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ions-dmr07.pdf http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ons2-dmr08.pdf
"High Voltage impulse charging as prescribed by John Bedini has been seen to charge a battery cell in a different physical manner."
First article also available at: http://www.panaceauniversity.org/OTG...0-%20DMR07.pdf

Dave Michael Rogers experimented with "batteries" in a laboratory setup. Very interesting.

First time I read this, I didn't really get it. You know, what's a "Plante cell"? Someone biologist having fun? Turns out it was the name of the guy who invented the lead acid battery.

And @Slovenia: thanks for your pdfs. I enjoyed reading it all back

[Slovenia]

Your Welcome

Thanks for your appreciation!! You are very welcome!!

Thanks Slovenia.

[Slovenia]

Your Welcome Lamare

Thank you, you are very welcome Lamare!!

And @Slovenia: thanks for your pdfs. I enjoyed reading it all back

[Slovenia]

Link

Michelinho Thanks for sharing the link.

[Jbignes5]

If you ask me, with Bedini's stuff you get a polarized dielectric inside your battery. I first thought that was also what Meyer was doing, because there were some references that the tubes had to be coated. I started an article over at peswiki about this, which we called "the electret effect", but things went into another direction, so I moved that stuff into the new article and never got to work this part out.

However, if you're interested, there are still a lot of links and quotes to the relevant discussions here, as well as lots of references about this. If you want to go this way, then you will have to study electrolytic capacitors.

So, if you want to investigate my ideas about this, you can start here and find your way:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Update: you may want to start with these:
http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ions-dmr07.pdf http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...ons2-dmr08.pdf
"High Voltage impulse charging as prescribed by John Bedini has been seen to charge a battery cell in a different physical manner."
First article also available at: http://www.panaceauniversity.org/OTG...0-%20DMR07.pdf

Dave Michael Rogers experimented with "batteries" in a laboratory setup. Very interesting.

First time I read this, I didn't really get it. You know, what's a "Plante cell"? Someone biologist having fun? Turns out it was the name of the guy who invented the lead acid battery.

And @Slovenia: thanks for your pdfs. I enjoyed reading it all back

I don't want to go any way. I was trying to explain what I saw as being the same in each case. Gray happened to use air as the conductor medium as well. Since it was better available for that application of his motor.
Water is a medium that is very very rich in the conductors that transmit energy. So you could statically attract the base charges of the water twords the electrode much the same way Dr. Stiffler did. You get disassociation of the water for no price. Meaning it is a result of attracting the base charges that bind it together because the water has a density and doesn't move so fast. Kinda like pulling the table cloth out from under a whole china set that was setup on the table. Done right it seems that the china hasn't moved at all. All one would need to do is setup a standing charge on the inner tube and variate that charge super fast. The outer tube should be a static shield with no connection to ground. I have seen some very interesting videos of the joe cell that might just be proof of that concept. All for the price of a single charging of the inner tube If I am not mistaken. I'll have to look at them again.

[Slovenia]

PDF Files

I'm in the process of reworking my pdf files and will be posting them momentarily.

[Slovenia]

New PDF Files Uploaded

I have added much information to the new amended uploaded files. You probably want these.

[lamare]

Open Mind with Bill Jenkins

Hi all,

I am currently uploading some audio files I got my hands on some time ago to my web server:

KABC "OPEN MIND" WITH BILL JENKINS

RARE MP3 AUDIO LIBRARY

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